[Finale] big format,how to manage
Hi list, im new in this list, hope you can help me, i use to work as a music engraver, but this time came to my desk a giant score. Large orchestra with a lot of divisis in the strings. I have to print the score in A2 format and it has non measured parts superposed to measured parts at the same time, with grafics(non standart notation) and stuff. I have the work on the midway but i think i did something wrong and im redoing again and again the same part. Having troubles to mantain the same format in all the pages everytime i add measures and so. Please i need good advices about how to manage this work. I have to be quick but im lost in a giant score inside a 12' screen. Thank you in advantage, Jos. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] big format,how to manage
On 08.12.2005 josue moreno wrote: Please i need good advices about how to manage this work. I have to be quick but im lost in a giant score inside a 12' screen. First of all, get a bigger screen ;-) Sorry I don't have any better advice - I don't do this kind of work very often, and hardly ever with contemporary works. Use staff sets (get Robert's staff sets plugin to handle them more efficiently), to make your score easier to work with. If I was going to do something like this, I would actually sit down and take notes on various aspects first - number of parts, divisi parts etc. Then I would first make a score without any notes, but with all the measures and parts in them (including all double-bars, meters, keys (if any), make lots of bookmarks, and eventually start filling things in. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] big format,how to manage
On 8 Dec 2005, at 16:18, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 08.12.2005 josue moreno wrote: Please i need good advices about how to manage this work. I have to be quick but im lost in a giant score inside a 12' screen. First of all, get a bigger screen ;-) What, bigger than 12 foot? John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] editing question
Big symphony, 1953. Winds in threes. Lots of bitonal harmonies. In a near-tutti (trps, hns, timp resting) with everybody playing an E-minor chord (the key sig. is Gb), the 2d bassoon, and only the second bassoon, has an F (natural), sustained across 2 bars. Is this an error? (FWIW, bn. 1 bcl have G natural a 9th higher; cb, vc, btrb, tuba have melody Bn En Dn Bn An Gn). Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] editing question
Andrew, Given the keysig, is there any evidence that the composer had originally spelled that chord as Fb but decided to simplify to E later? (I'm assuming that you're working off a manuscript) If so, the F in Bsn II could have the flat missing...possible?? Jim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Andrew Stiller Sent: Thu 08-Dec-05 12:34 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] editing question Big symphony, 1953. Winds in threes. Lots of bitonal harmonies. In a near-tutti (trps, hns, timp resting) with everybody playing an E-minor chord (the key sig. is Gb), the 2d bassoon, and only the second bassoon, has an F (natural), sustained across 2 bars. Is this an error? (FWIW, bn. 1 bcl have G natural a 9th higher; cb, vc, btrb, tuba have melody Bn En Dn Bn An Gn). Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] big format,how to manage
First of all, get a bigger screen ;-) (i meant 12 inches) i want one, but where i can find a good one for a poor engraver?:-) Use staff sets (get Robert's staff sets plugin to handle them more efficiently), to make your score easier to work with. Is that plugin in the standart distribution of Finale? Im working on finale2004 under MacOSX If I was going to do something like this, I would actually sit down and take notes on various aspects first - number of parts, divisi parts etc. Then I would first make a score without any notes, but with all the measures and parts in them (including all double-bars, meters, keys (if any), make lots of bookmarks, and eventually start filling things in. Yea, i did that first, but when free parts arrive everything changes, and dont know why the others non-free part changes too! Im in a hurry and still dont know if i should start again from 0 :-( thank you ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] big format,how to manage
On 08.12.2005 josue moreno wrote: Use staff sets (get Robert's staff sets plugin to handle them more efficiently), to make your score easier to work with. Is that plugin in the standart distribution of Finale? Im working on finale2004 under MacOSX No, you can download it from here: http://www.robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/finmain.html They are not free, but you can try them for free for 30 days. Highly recommended. Yea, i did that first, but when free parts arrive everything changes, and dont know why the others non-free part changes too! I am afraid I don't follow: what do you mean by free parts arrive? In case you mean that you don't want certain parts to appear in the score, this is done by optimization. It will only work in page view, and you should do that when you do the layout, certainly not before. You should then also get TGTools (another not entirely free plugin) which you find at htttp://www.tgtools.de The layout tools for optimized scores are invaluable when working with complex orchestral scores. On the other hand, if you are very organized and get the layout sorted out on the first go, you may not need TGTools. But in my experience this is rarely the case. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] big format,how to manage
On 08.12.2005 josue moreno wrote: (i meant 12 inches) i want one, but where i can find a good one for a poor engraver?:-) Well, by the sound of what you are saying about the project you should be paid loads. 17 displays are pretty cheap, and I saw a 19 LCD for 299.- Euros at Aldi the other day, if I remember correctly. Should have got one myself... However, I also work on my 14 iBook, and although I rarely do very large scores, with the help of staff sets it is possible, though not always particularly easy. Then, I have never layed out a score on A2, that may well be a little tricky on my screen... Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] editing question
Andrew, Given the keysig, is there any evidence that the composer had originally spelled that chord as Fb but decided to simplify to E later? (I'm assuming that you're working off a manuscript) If so, the F in Bsn II could have the flat missing...possible?? Jim Nice theory, but this composer (Lejaren Hiller) just likes being harmonically perverse. He even writes atonal stuff with key signatures--and in remote keys, too. As you might imagine, he tends to have lots of accidental and transposition errors, wh. is what made me question this note in the first place. Anyway, after posting my query, I found the answer, since it turns out the trombones reinforce the bn-2 note toward the end of the two measures--so what it's supposed to be is a minor harmonic irritant that later becomes a prominent part of the chord. --Andrew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] editing question
Ah, there's the rub, Andrew... Since I have NO acquaintance with perversion of any kind, since it is SUCH a foreign concept to me, such a thought would never have crossed my mind. ;-) But it was a good guess ;-) Saint Jim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Andrew Stiller Sent: Thu 08-Dec-05 17:21 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] editing question Andrew, Given the keysig, is there any evidence that the composer had originally spelled that chord as Fb but decided to simplify to E later? (I'm assuming that you're working off a manuscript) If so, the F in Bsn II could have the flat missing...possible?? Jim Nice theory, but this composer (Lejaren Hiller) just likes being harmonically perverse. He even writes atonal stuff with key signatures--and in remote keys, too. As you might imagine, he tends to have lots of accidental and transposition errors, wh. is what made me question this note in the first place. Anyway, after posting my query, I found the answer, since it turns out the trombones reinforce the bn-2 note toward the end of the two measures--so what it's supposed to be is a minor harmonic irritant that later becomes a prominent part of the chord. --Andrew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] big format,how to manage
Hola, Josue. I wish you the best luck for your project, but I would do some steps right now: 1) Buy one large screen. 19 CRT screens are cheap these days and they will give you the space you need desperately. Keep the palettes and tools in the small screen. 2) Warn you client about the difficulties, and be calm and patient. 3) Make hundred of backup copies. Rename every file each time you finish something valuable. Internal 2.5 disks are very sensitive and delicate. Go buy and external firewire disk right now! 4) Hire an assistant! There are many knowledgeable people on this list, but I think that Dennis Bathory-Kitsz is the perfect person. He has helped me with a couple of big scores and I owe him a lot. All the best, Javier, composer in quarantaine. Hi list, im new in this list, hope you can help me, i use to work as a music engraver, but this time came to my desk a giant score. Large orchestra with a lot of divisis in the strings. I have to print the score in A2 format and it has non measured parts superposed to measured parts at the same time, with grafics(non standart notation) and stuff. I have the work on the midway but i think i did something wrong and im redoing again and again the same part. Having troubles to mantain the same format in all the pages everytime i add measures and so. Please i need good advices about how to manage this work. I have to be quick but im lost in a giant score inside a 12' screen. Thank you in advantage, Jos. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
