Re: [Finale] Encore imports
At 4:42 PM -0500 2/11/06, dhbailey wrote: http://www.gvox.com/ is the site -- gvox bought the program from Passport Systems when it went under. Thanks, David. Interesting. The price has increased tenfold and apparently there is no longer a free player available, but it is now expanded to Mac OS 9 or 10.2 or higher. The features list looks good, although how much marketing people actually know is always subject to skepticism, and it seems now to do some things that Finale cannot without third party plugins. As has been noted before, MakeMusic is the target, and they are all catching up. John -- John & Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Encore imports
John Howell wrote: At 11:27 AM -0800 2/11/06, Linda Worsley wrote: Now... NOW , instead of learning Finale (which he bought in 2003 and promised to learn) he has upgraded to the new, shiny version of Encore. Some problems (by no means all) have b been addressed. OK, a question, and not necessarily for Linda. Is there a website for this new version, and do you know whether it is still a Windows only program? I ask because I'd like to be up to date, and because in the past Encore has been a very useful and inexpensive program to recommend for amateurs who don't need much, and its downloadable player has made it useful to i.e. church musicians and choral directors in general. Just curious. And of course it was Coda's decision not to support an industry-wide standard for filesharing that's the source of your troubles, Linda, not Encore at all. John http://www.gvox.com/ is the site -- gvox bought the program from Passport Systems when it went under. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
Richard Willis wrote: It's a little known fact that all of Kenny G's music is only eight measures long, therefore, he uses 4096 notes to get everything he plays notated *snicker* But of course he doesn't need to get it notated, since he's the one who made it up in the first place, and besides, he's too busy cashing his checks to worry about note values. We should be so lucky! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop comparison, OT
At 02:40 PM 2/11/2006, David W. Fenton wrote: >> David, I wonder what you would say about a custom built machine from a >> reliable local builder? I think this may be the way to get the most >> upgradeable machine possible as well as a 64 bit processor. I know >> dual core is supposed to be like true 64 bit but I suspect it will be >> only a stop gap. > >I would never use a local builder. Nor would I build one for myself. I would not expect a local builder to create an upgradeable machine. >Take that for what it's worth, but I just don't see that there's >significant value to be gained there. Perhaps it depends on the local builder's reputation? Anyone who asks me about buying a computer, I refer them to Chris, at piexx.com. He has comparable prices to the national chains and he provides local service. Anyone who has had to send a broken motherboard back to Dell can understand how much this is worth. Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: was OT Si vs. Ti - Do - now rhythm
John Howell wrote: At 11:04 PM -0800 2/10/06, Carl Dershem wrote: Mark D Lew wrote: Sounds more like the opening song from Music Man, to me. Rap: shameless music that'll drag YOUR son and YOUR daughter into the arms of a jungle animal instinct. Nah - that's the second song. The first one is the one on the train. But you gotta know the territory! Whaddya talk! cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Encore imports
At 11:27 AM -0800 2/11/06, Linda Worsley wrote: Now... NOW , instead of learning Finale (which he bought in 2003 and promised to learn) he has upgraded to the new, shiny version of Encore. Some problems (by no means all) have b been addressed. OK, a question, and not necessarily for Linda. Is there a website for this new version, and do you know whether it is still a Windows only program? I ask because I'd like to be up to date, and because in the past Encore has been a very useful and inexpensive program to recommend for amateurs who don't need much, and its downloadable player has made it useful to i.e. church musicians and choral directors in general. Just curious. And of course it was Coda's decision not to support an industry-wide standard for filesharing that's the source of your troubles, Linda, not Encore at all. John -- John & Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop comparison, OT
At 02:40 PM 2/11/06 -0500, David W. Fenton wrote: >Nor would I build one for myself. David's points are all very well made, and I agree save for the one above. Because I have specific needs that are not addressed by any computer manufacturer, I build my own (not the laptop!). Except for a very few people (three others, actually), I would never build a machine for anyone else -- and certainly never ever sell one! There is no way I could provide a comparable machine at a competitive price, as David says. My home-built machines cost more. I buy motherboards and processors I can overclock, good video cards, sound cards I'm actually going to use, the number and brand of drives I want, the number and kind of ports, the networking, etc. I know them well; they don't usually fail. (I've had a few failures: hard drives, a power supply burn-up, a motherboard with that generation of exploding capacitors.) Knowing the hardware, I can keep the operating system happy. I remember Johannes (I think it was Johannes) who sniffed that I was still using that unstable Windows 98 on my main production machine. (I still am, by the way.) But I keep it clean and more stable than some XP installations I've seen. But don't build one unless you have to! Dennis PS: You might be amused by the configuration of this computer (built in 2001, overclocked to 1.4GHz and working flawlessly): 2 Sony 21-inch monitors (picked up from Vermont state surplus for $50 each when they were going to LCD screens) connected to a Matrox video card; 2 Waveterminal 24/96 sound cards; Cisco wireless networking; Logitech wireless keyboard; Logitech trackball; Intuos mouse and pen with USB 10x12 tablet; 2 CD/DVD drives (Sony and LG); 2 hard drives (Maxtor 80GB and 160GB) with ATA133 card; extra drive caddy for removable hard drives (where I archive projects); lonely old diskette drive; Nikon USB slide scanner; Xerox parallel laser printer; Epson USB inkjet printer; trusty Palm V hooked to the serial port; X-Drive USB 60GB hard drive with 3 slots for removable memory cards; Firewire Canon DV camera; Red Rover USB audio control box (for Adobe Audition); Yamaha USB Midi interface. And of course the sound cards have inputs, including a Mackie mixer and a Stanton digital turntable, and the Midi box controls some old Proteus stuff. -- Please participate in my latest project: http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/365-2007.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] 256th notes
It's a little known fact that all of Kenny G's music is only eight measures long, therefore, he uses 4096 notes to get everything he plays notated *snicker* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:33 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 256th notes On 11 Feb 2006 at 18:32, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > On 11.02.2006 dc wrote: > > I have a run of 256th notes in a Couperin piece. Can I get my five > > beams in Finale? > > Do you want 5 beams, or 256ths? The latter have 6 beams, if I count > correctly, and those are not possible in Finale, afaik. > > 5 beams are possible, but you may have to change the duration for each > note manually. You can do that with MassEdit (Change Durations). Enter > them as 64th first, than change the duration to 50%. 128th notes can be entered in Speedy from the keyboard, using Ctrl-0 for the rhythmic value on Windows (I won't speculate on the Mac's equivalent shift key). If you enter 128th notes, and then do what Johannes suggests, reducing the duration by 50%, you get 256th notes, with 6 beams. I then tested applying duration 25% and then 25% again. I ended up with the appropriate beams and notes of the appropriate length, and that is the limit, 10 beams, which would be a 4096th note, or 1 EVPU in length, which is 1/64th the length of a 64th note. So it seems to me that there are no real practical limitations to Finale in this regard, though there is a limit of 1 EVPU for the length of a note. But if there's any music that uses 4096th notes, I've never heard of it! -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
On 11 Feb 2006 at 14:26, John Howell wrote: > I wouldn't have known this except that I recently had an exchange with > someone on the left coast who insisted with great vehemence that 128th > notes did not exist, and apparently found some reference to them on my > website! I had Mosaic handy at the time, and it allows 5 beams but > not six. 128th notes not only exist conceptually and can be implemented in Finale (as I said in an earlier posts, up to 4096th notes are possible in Finale, with 10 beams, being a note of 1 EVPU in length), but I've encountered real music that used them. This piece by Emanuel Alois Förster has them in its slow movement (URL all on one line): http://www.dfenton.com/Midi/index.php?stem=Foerster10_1&last=44¤ t=20&mvt=2&display=Page That piece was published in 1796, and is not at all the only piece in which I've encountered 128th notes. That said, I've never ever encountered anything smaller! -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop comparison, OT
On 11 Feb 2006 at 11:38, Richard Smith wrote: > I, too, like Dell and have had good experience with them. However, I > am concerned about the impending market push to 64 bit processors. I'm not sure what the concern would be. > David, I wonder what you would say about a custom built machine from a > reliable local builder? I think this may be the way to get the most > upgradeable machine possible as well as a 64 bit processor. I know > dual core is supposed to be like true 64 bit but I suspect it will be > only a stop gap. I would never use a local builder. Nor would I build one for myself. Take that for what it's worth, but I just don't see that there's significant value to be gained there. Most comparisons of white-box generic PCs to those made by the large vendors are deceptive, in that the components and specs on the white box PCs are well below those of the retail boxes. I've gone through this many, many times, doing a Dell quote for a client who comes back and says "But Joe's computer has the exact same computer for half the money!" When I upgrade Joe's model to have all the same features (RAM size and speed, HDD size and speed, video card memory/speed, monitor size/quality, mouse quality), about half the time Joe's PC ends up costing slightly more, half the time slightly less, but on average, not enough to make the jump from a large established vendor who can support the machine better than your local shop. Many people say "well Dell and HP use pretty generic, cheap components, too" and they would be correct. But those components are often engineered specifically for Dell's machines, and thus have performance specs that are not available in generic products available through the distributors a local retailer can go to. This is because Dell and HP have large enough volume to get mass-produced components that are specifically engineered and manufactured for their use. The local white-box PC builder doesn't have either any engineering expertise nor any market pull to get such components. Of, if he *can* get such components, he can't get them at anything close to the price that Dell can get them at. The result is that when Joe specs out a computer that really is identical to the Dell box, it is often more expensive. So, once you are comparing apples to apples, and have identically configured PCs to compare, my experience is that the local builders simply can't compete with the volume efficiencies of companies like Dell. So, I and my customers buy Dell. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
On 11 Feb 2006 at 13:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 11/02/2006 18:14:47 GMT Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > To get notes with five beams: In Speedy entry press Opt + Numpad 0 > (Mac) or Alt + Numpad 0 (Win) > > Yes. it works on "simple" entry, not Speedy. In Windows Speedy, it's Ctrl-0. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
On 11 Feb 2006 at 18:32, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > On 11.02.2006 dc wrote: > > I have a run of 256th notes in a Couperin piece. Can I get my five > > beams in Finale? > > Do you want 5 beams, or 256ths? The latter have 6 beams, if I count > correctly, and those are not possible in Finale, afaik. > > 5 beams are possible, but you may have to change the duration for each > note manually. You can do that with MassEdit (Change Durations). Enter > them as 64th first, than change the duration to 50%. 128th notes can be entered in Speedy from the keyboard, using Ctrl-0 for the rhythmic value on Windows (I won't speculate on the Mac's equivalent shift key). If you enter 128th notes, and then do what Johannes suggests, reducing the duration by 50%, you get 256th notes, with 6 beams. I then tested applying duration 25% and then 25% again. I ended up with the appropriate beams and notes of the appropriate length, and that is the limit, 10 beams, which would be a 4096th note, or 1 EVPU in length, which is 1/64th the length of a 64th note. So it seems to me that there are no real practical limitations to Finale in this regard, though there is a limit of 1 EVPU for the length of a note. But if there's any music that uses 4096th notes, I've never heard of it! -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Encore imports
Help! A client of mine, with whom I have worked for several years... nice guy, talented, wants to write music, but never learned to read itit etc. etc. I've whined about him before in this space, and I have a NEW problem with this gig. . Well.. he uses Encore, and loves it because he can "write music" by noodling into his keyboard while running Encore and he gets a (sort of) score as a result. My job? Translate it into actual music that can be read.There are lyrics involved, too, which , in the old version of Encore, floated around the page without regard to what note they might have been assigned to. (ditto for slurs and other markings). Anyway, I was always able to import Encore files into Finale, and even though they had multiple problems, they were enough to work with. Now... NOW , instead of learning Finale (which he bought in 2003 and promised to learn) he has upgraded to the new, shiny version of Encore. Some problems (by no means all) have b been addressed. Lyrics will now stay where they belong, etc. But my version of Finale ((2004 Mac) will not import the new Encore files. So he's been converting his Encore files to MIDI files for me to open in Finale and tinker with. Another whole set of problems. They seem to come through with no key signatures, have no lyrics, of course (so those must be entered in Finale from a pdf of the Encore file he print out for me to reference... could this BE any more complicated and annoying?), and the stupid Encore notation (inappropriate ties, other weirdness) comes through in F Finale as logical notation, which often cause other problems. So here is my question... short of giving up a client who pays me extremely well, and who has learned to be nice to me, and short of tying him to his chair and teaching him to use Finale, I need another solution... question" I need to upgrade to a current version of Finale. I should have done it long ago, but held on to 2004 because of a couple of clients who refuse to upgrade. BUT, will 2006 import the shiny new Encore files? 2004 simply ignores the request to import. OK, Maybe I'll buy some rope and duct tape and go for the chair/Finale option. But what about 2006 and Encore? Anyone have experience with that? (And if so, my most heartfelt condolences.) ? Thanks for any help. Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
At 6:21 PM +0100 2/11/06, dc wrote: I have a run of 256th notes in a Couperin piece. Can I get my five beams in Finale? Thanks, Dennis Five beams would be 128th notes. 256th notes would require six. I wouldn't have known this except that I recently had an exchange with someone on the left coast who insisted with great vehemence that 128th notes did not exist, and apparently found some reference to them on my website! I had Mosaic handy at the time, and it allows 5 beams but not six. John -- John & Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: was OT Si vs. Ti - Do - now rhythm
At 11:04 PM -0800 2/10/06, Carl Dershem wrote: Mark D Lew wrote: Sounds more like the opening song from Music Man, to me. Rap: shameless music that'll drag YOUR son and YOUR daughter into the arms of a jungle animal instinct. Nah - that's the second song. The first one is the one on the train. But you gotta know the territory! John -- John & Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
Opt + Numpad 0 works for me on Mac in Speedy w/o MIDI. This could be one of those shortcuts that is different on Mac and Windows. Oh, and you can have many, many beams on a note. I don't know what the maximum is, but I used Mass Edit > Change Durations to create notes with 10 beams, which are 1/4096 notes if I calculated correctly, although I hope I never encounter these in a score! Michael On 11 Feb 2006, at 19:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/02/2006 18:14:47 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To get notes with five beams: In Speedy entry press Opt + Numpad 0 (Mac) or Alt + Numpad 0 (Win)Sorry, that doesn't work for me (windows) All the best, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
In a message dated 11/02/2006 18:14:47 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To get notes with five beams: In Speedy entry press Opt + Numpad 0 (Mac) or Alt + Numpad 0 (Win) Yes. it works on "simple" entry, not Speedy. All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg"http://lawrenceyates.co.ukDulcian Wind Quintet: http://dulcianwind.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
In a message dated 11/02/2006 18:14:47 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To get notes with five beams: In Speedy entry press Opt + Numpad 0 (Mac) or Alt + Numpad 0 (Win) Sorry, that doesn't work for me (windows) All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg"http://lawrenceyates.co.ukDulcian Wind Quintet: http://dulcianwind.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
To get notes with five beams: In Speedy entry press Opt + Numpad 0 (Mac) or Alt + Numpad 0 (Win) Michael On 11 Feb 2006, at 18:21, dc wrote: I have a run of 256th notes in a Couperin piece. Can I get my five beams in Finale? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop comparison, OT
I, too, like Dell and have had good experience with them. However, I am concerned about the impending market push to 64 bit processors. David, I wonder what you would say about a custom built machine from a reliable local builder? I think this may be the way to get the most upgradeable machine possible as well as a 64 bit processor. I know dual core is supposed to be like true 64 bit but I suspect it will be only a stop gap. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com - Original Message - From: "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Desktop comparison, OT On 9 Feb 2006 at 23:45, D. Keneth Fowler wrote: This request is OT, but I would like the view of folks using a desktop with Windows 98 regarding how you rate your machine or the reputation of others you hear about. I have a Micron (now MPC) Pentium III, now in its sixth year of service. I feel it is time to move on. Dell and HP have been mentioned to me in casual conversation. You may well ask, "What do you want it to do?" Assume a fairly basic machine with no MIDI or more recent Finale capability enhancements. Any observations you wish to make will be appreciated. I make my living supporting the computer needs of small businesses and individuals. I would say, as I say to all my clients: 1. if buying a desktop, buy Dell. Look to see what the model is that is next to top of the line but *not* their newest, fastest model -- that will get you the best long-term performance for the price. The cheaper models are not good buys for the longer term (they will need to be replaced or significantly upgraded earlier). 2. if buying a laptop, buy a ThinkPad. Here, my clients have been most happy with the T4x line of thin, light laptops with large screens. The price premium on those is not nearly as great as it was just 2 or 3 years ago, so you can get something really nice for a relatively reasonable amount of money. For operating system, get WinXP Professional. Don't even think about WinXP Home -- you will regret it if you do. This is the case even if it's a home PC. Buy as much RAM as you can afford, but you don't have to buy it pre- installed. You can often save quite a bit by buying additional RAM from Crucial.com. RAM is *very* easy to install, but the only thing to watch for is how the base computer is configured. If the motherboard has only 2 RAM slots and those are both in use, you won't be able to upgrade without discarding the RAM that came with the machine. So, if the machine you're ordering has RAM options of X amount of RAM as 2 DIMMs or as 1 DIMM, *always* buy the single DIMM, since that leaves more room for expansion (it will also be more expensive). Don't skimp on the video card or hard drives. Most of Dell's base models in the top half of the Dimension line are configured with good video and hard drives. If you have the option of saving money by ordering a slower hard drive or a video card with less RAM, DON'T DO IT. You may not have to spend more than the base price, but you shouldn't skimp on these, as they have a huge effect on the actual performance of the machine. For laptops, the equation here is somewhat different. There are far fewer options in all the above categories. In general, with a laptop, it's usually easier to order all your RAM pre-installed, because it's not necessarily quite as easy to install RAM as in a desktop. I'd do it, but I'm in the business. Another reason to buy everything pre-installed is for warranty and support purposes. If it's all in one place, it's easier to deal with any problems that may develop in the future. If you lack a good person for tech support, I'd suggest buying something more than the standard Dell support contract. But whether you want to go with the deluxe package or not is up to you. In regard to software, Dell always has good prices on MS Office, so I'd suggest buying it preloaded. I wouldn't buy any other software preloaded, except, perhaps, anti-virus, but I'm no fan of McAfee or Symantec (AVG is my preferred AV software these days, free or pay version). If you're still in Win98 land, the initial setup of an NT-based computer will seem like foreign country. Do *not* acquiesce to the default suggestion to set up your user account with no password. Define a password during the setup routine for both the administrator account and for the user account you're going to use. Unfortunately, actually setting up a WinXP PC correctly from the standpoint of security is bloody difficult (it was much easier in Win2K and Win NT) becasue MS has set up very insecure defaults. If you have always-on Internet access, be sure you have at least a NAT router between your PC and the cable/DSL modem. This will prevent all unrequested incoming connections from getting to your PC and protect you from a whole host of problems. Once you have the PC set up and connected to the Internet, download Firefox, install it and make it y
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
dc wrote: I have a run of 256th notes in a Couperin piece. Can I get my five beams in Finale? Probably not automatically. The first workaroud to come to mind is to make these a tuplet: two 128th notes in the space of one 128th note. Enter your run, then use the beam angle tool to adjust the height of the stems and beams. Create a smart line of the same thickness as the secondary beam thickness, and use this to create something that looks like the fifth beam. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
On 11.02.2006 dc wrote: I have a run of 256th notes in a Couperin piece. Can I get my five beams in Finale? Do you want 5 beams, or 256ths? The latter have 6 beams, if I count correctly, and those are not possible in Finale, afaik. 5 beams are possible, but you may have to change the duration for each note manually. You can do that with MassEdit (Change Durations). Enter them as 64th first, than change the duration to 50%. You can also use the Edit Frame Dialog. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Desktop comparison
I want to extend sincere thanks to David Fenton, David Lawrence, David Bailey, Dennis and Allen for your generous response to my inquiry about desktops. You have been most helpful as I sort out what to do about going to a new machine. Ken Fowler ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Swing expressiom
On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:11 AM, dhbailey wrote: LEE DENGLER wrote: David, This is helpful, but how does one resize this Shape Expression. I need something smaller. If I try to stretch this shape it becomes very distorted. In that case I don't know what to say -- i just tried editing the existing one and can't access the individual elements, so I'm not sure you can make the existing one smaller. I'd simply use the word "Swing" and possibly use another descriptive word -- I've often seen the phrase "Swing a la Basie" used. One suggestion would be to make a graphic of what you want -- place the notes on the page and then hide the staff lines and then save it as a graphic. You can resize the graphics you place, so that might be the best solution, other than spending a lot of time creating what you want at a smaller size in the shape designer. Wow, this is a sticky one! I thought that maybe this might work (it does with chord symbols, which are a PAIN to resize): Attach it to a rest (not to a measure) and use the percent (Zoom) tool to resize the rest it is attached to (you can always put the rest in another layer and hide it). But no, this only works for chords as it distorts the expression, while leaving the chord symbol's proportions intact. As I am in the habit now of putting all my chord symbols into another layer, this method works great for chords that you need to resize. (Crap. Update on the chord symbol thing. It only SEEMED to work for me before, because I was using some of Sigler's "one glyph" suffixes. Suffixes put together from individual characters, like most suffixes should be, do NOT preserve their kerning. Sorry about the misinformation, but it still works with the "one glyph" suffixes anyway.) Then I got the brilliant idea: attach the expression to a dummy staff (Attach to this staff only), then RESIZE THE STAFF! Hide the staff, and you are left with a perfectly-proportioned expression. Now, you will run into problems with extracted parts, as each one will have to have the hidden staff included, but hey, the world (especially the Finale world) is not perfect. I would buy Bill Duncan's font to avoid the whole problem. And I also endorse Darcy's suggestion to NOT explain jazz eighths as triplets, which even when it was archaic was imprecise and can lead to terrible interpretation. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] upgrade
On Feb 11, 2006, at 12:52 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Cecil Rigby wrote: To that end I was hoping someone would take a minute to answer this: If I install 06 in its own folder, away from all the previous versions' folders, should I have any of the problems that I've read some of you had? (files being overwitten, fonts not working, etc) Was this just a problem for the Mac OS? I don't use MAC, so my opinion that the overwrites were merely a problem with the MAC OS should be taken only as informed opinion. ON a more direct note, I have had as many as four versions installed on one machine at one time, with only two problems. First, since for back-up convenience I keep all of my scores in the same directory, I occasionally forget what version I used to create a file, and attempt to open a file with an earlier version. Second, earlier versions used the same playback vehicle, and I was not able (and frankly did not try very hard at all) to have two systems working at the same time. I suspect, (though I have not yet tried it out, and probably won't) that this is a nonissue between an earlier version (e.g., your 2k1b) and 2k6 because of the GPO. I run multiple versions on my Mac, and solve the version problem by having subfolders called "Finale 2002 files", "Finale 2003 files", etc. That way I know which version of Finale created which file. On Mac, running earlier versions requires you to put the Finale Preferences into the same directory as the app, though starting with 2006 the preferences file is now called Finale 2006 Preferences, so different preference files from now on won't have to be moved. I don't know if this is true on Windows. The fonts issue was on Mac OS X only, and the file overwrite bug has been with us since 2003 at least, so if you were going to get it you probably would have seen it by now. I haven't had any playback issues between versions, but that issue seems to be platform-specific, so I wouldn't be able to help with that in any case. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] upgrade
Cecil Rigby wrote: Hi David et al- thanks for the reminder on plugins and the tip on the soundfonts. since we can now point playback to any soundfont, without having to copy it to the Component Files folder that we had to when they first included soft-synth playback, getting playback with a soundfont is very easy, and uses fewer system resources than using the included FinaleGPO. Getting playback's one thing. Are there options for saving files that will play back using the assigned soundfonts? (like save as wav, mp3, etc).. I admit I haven't had a look at the list of things the program is capable of in that regard yet. You can save as audio files, which once saved no longer need the presence of soundfonts. Or you can save as midi files, which you would then need to play back through a midi file player which could use soundfonts (or you would have to have a soundfont-capable soundcard in which you have installed the same soundfont). -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Swing expressiom
I've said this before, but to repeat -- I think the "Swing - eighth eighth = quarter-eighth triplet" is completely ridiculous. An actual swing feel sounds nothing like that, and if someone doesn't know what an actual swing feel sounds like, well... the written triplet indication isn't going to help. And if someone *does* know what it sounds like, the triplet indication is kind of insulting. It would be like writing "quarter rest - quarter note - quarter note = eighth rest - dotted quarter note - quarter note" on a Viennese waltz. Just write "Swing" and leave it at that. My $0.02. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 11 Feb 2006, at 6:11 AM, dhbailey wrote: LEE DENGLER wrote: David, This is helpful, but how does one resize this Shape Expression. I need something smaller. If I try to stretch this shape it becomes very distorted. In that case I don't know what to say -- i just tried editing the existing one and can't access the individual elements, so I'm not sure you can make the existing one smaller. I'd simply use the word "Swing" and possibly use another descriptive word -- I've often seen the phrase "Swing a la Basie" used. One suggestion would be to make a graphic of what you want -- place the notes on the page and then hide the staff lines and then save it as a graphic. You can resize the graphics you place, so that might be the best solution, other than spending a lot of time creating what you want at a smaller size in the shape designer. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] upgrade
Hi David et al- thanks for the reminder on plugins and the tip on the soundfonts. > since we can now point playback to any soundfont, without having to copy > it to the Component Files folder that we had to when they first included > soft-synth playback, getting playback with a soundfont is very easy, and > uses fewer system resources than using the included FinaleGPO. Getting playback's one thing. Are there options for saving files that will play back using the assigned soundfonts? (like save as wav, mp3, etc).. I admit I haven't had a look at the list of things the program is capable of in that regard yet. cheers from the wet South this morning.. Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] upgrade
Cecil Rigby wrote: Hi everyone- after waiting out upgrades since 2003b I finally will be taking Win06, but *mostly* because I don't like having to ask people to send me music submissions in the earlier format. I don't know that I'll actually use it for engraving yet. That depends on how easily it installs and behaves afterward. To that end I was hoping someone would take a minute to answer this: If I install 06 in its own folder, away from all the previous versions' folders, should I have any of the problems that I've read some of you had? (files being overwitten, fonts not working, etc) Was this just a problem for the Mac OS? Anyway, I intend to back up everything before I install, but is there anything else I can do to make this as smooth as possible? I'll say upfront I have *never* had an installation problem with Finale on either platform before, but given the fact that I can't spare downtime right now and know of recent problems I don't want to assume too much I have 2004, 2005 and 2006 all installed in their own folders with no problems. You just have to remember to copy any 3rd party plug-ins into the appropriate folder in the new version when you install it. And since we can now point playback to any soundfont, without having to copy it to the Component Files folder that we had to when they first included soft-synth playback, getting playback with a soundfont is very easy, and uses fewer system resources than using the included FinaleGPO. You should have no problem installing it or getting it to work. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Swing expressiom
LEE DENGLER wrote: David, This is helpful, but how does one resize this Shape Expression. I need something smaller. If I try to stretch this shape it becomes very distorted. In that case I don't know what to say -- i just tried editing the existing one and can't access the individual elements, so I'm not sure you can make the existing one smaller. I'd simply use the word "Swing" and possibly use another descriptive word -- I've often seen the phrase "Swing a la Basie" used. One suggestion would be to make a graphic of what you want -- place the notes on the page and then hide the staff lines and then save it as a graphic. You can resize the graphics you place, so that might be the best solution, other than spending a lot of time creating what you want at a smaller size in the shape designer. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
