Hard copy backups (was Re: [Finale] Lawrence)
Can someone explain why, legally, Keith can't just photocopy or re-engrave the deteriorating parts? If I buy a CD, I have the legal right to rip it to my iPod, back it up to my hard drive, burn a second copy for personal use, etc. If I buy a piece of software, I have the legal right to make a backup copy of my installation CD in case the original gets damaged. Why does copyright law permit "fair use" backups in these cases, but prohibit the duplication of sheet music for backup purposes? - Darcy - I wholeheartedly agree! I'm sure being a seasoned Finale user Kieth could make the parts almost identical to the originals and if one includes all the copyright blurb in the footer, who is going to know anyway?Somehow I just can't envisage a 'copyright police' trapsing round the world to Australia, appearing unannounced at every band concert in every venue and scrutinising every part on every stand with their magnifying glasses to see if the music is the authentic not. Everyone knows that there are thousands of bands out there with endless photo copies of lost parts and damaged scores in their libraries. The important thing is that the orginal version was bought legally, he has tried to track down the publisher and that he not attempting to profit from this or defraud anyone. It is he who will need to invest the time and materials to do this anyway so who is actually losing out? Certainly not the publisher if they no longer exist and the composer(s) will still get any royalties from performances or recordings so it is to his benefit anyway.Jonathan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Split Stems for Clusters
At 12:47 PM 8/24/06 +1200, Steve Currington wrote: >My original issue was "tight" cluster of a Aflat Bflat and Bnat >It is damn hard to do a single layer CHORD with Bflat and Bnat together. >ala the need for the "cluster" >I guess I could respell Bnat at Cflat but that is confusing. Yes. I've lost part of this thread, but for future reference you can create Bb and Bnat on the same stem by entering a Bb and Cb (in Speedy), hitting * to force accidentals, and hitting "9" to get the enharmonic Bnat. The note will be on the other side. It doesn't help if you need an Aflat, though, as you'll still need the custom stem tool. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] iKey shortcuts for Favor Flats, "Sharps
Darcy Maybe you are spelling the word favour wrong and it doesn't understand the US spelling ;-) Maybe it just "speaks" English. Steve - Darcy James Argue Wednesday, August 23, 2006 5:32 PM wrote: >I've tried to modify my iKey 2.2.2 shortcuts for "Favor Flats" and >"Favor Sharps" -- which I use EXTENSIVELY -- to match the new >position for these items in Finale 2007, but when I try to execute >the shortcut, I keep getting an error message that iKey can't find >them. Has anyone had any success with this? If I can't use iKey >shortcuts for these items, that's a pretty serious productivity hit >for me. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Split Stems for Clusters
Hi Noel Maybe I should have said a better cluster tool please I agree on the "Custom Stem" tool but the chord issue is not always easy to make work. My original issue was "tight" cluster of a Aflat Bflat and Bnat It is damn hard to do a single layer CHORD with Bflat and Bnat together. ala the need for the "cluster" I guess I could respell Bnat at Cflat but that is confusing. The idea of a tool that would allow someone to choose the notes to cluster. Hiro's solution of triplet would work but I can see or have had a few issues when trying that. And the "smart shape tool" is not that good IMHO Again being a Finale newbie I am not trying to down cry the knowledge and experiences of the experts but being a newbie I just find it not that good a process and so suggest that making it user friendly should be the aim.Or am I wrong? Steve -Original Message- Noel Stoutenburg on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:22 AM said: >>Steve Currington wrote: >> Hmm Maybe this is a good future enhancement request. >> >> MM - A note cluster tool please!! >> >> Quite a lot of contemporary music uses clusters. >> >Pardon me, but there already _is_ a "note cluster tool"; it's part of >the "special tools" palette. My copy of 2k7 is in transit, so I can't >say for certain how to access the tool there, but in 2k6, it is reached by >Tools > Advanced Tools > Special Tools > Custom Stem >In use, if one is creating a eighth note cluster, one enters the tones >of the cluster as a chord, uses the notehead positioning tool to move >the individual noteheads to the desired position, and uses the custom >stem tool which invokes the shape designer to create the custom stem. I ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Meter Changes
Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Another novice question. I'm working with a score that changes meter every now and then. I need to notate "parens, quarter note=quarter note, or dotted half = whole note, parens." The manual, as usual, guards these secrets. Any help is greatly appreciated. Exactly how I would suggest you would do this would depend upon which version of Finale you are using, which information I do not observe in a cursory scan of your messages. The way that I know would work for all versions is to define a shape expression, where the shape consist of grouped characters, with the characters selected from appropriate fonts; the quarter note, half note, and whole note from a notation font, the parentheses and equals sign from a text font. When the expression looks the way you want, group all the characters, and disallow stretching of the shape. In newer versions (I think 2k4 on, but it may be a different version than that; if the text expression designer has tabs in the window, it's what I'm calling a newer version) you can mix font types in a text expression. Type the characters, using the character to which the notation element is mapped, and then change the font for the characters representing notation elements. Thus, type the character string " ( q = q ) " in Times Roman, into the box of the text expression designer, then select each "q", and change the font to "maestro". ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Hard copy backups (was Re: [Finale] Lawrence)
In my opinion (certainly not a legal one) copying to replace or protect legally purchased music is exactly analogous to copying a CD to protect the legally purchased original. Publisher a recording companies do themselves a disservice and appear greedy when they insist otherwise. I agree that much of the current copyright law is antiquated and does not reflect the current state of technology (both music and printing) nor the way many today work (or would prefer to work). It is the publishers who want to do business as they did 50 years ago that cause this. My music is sold with a license to copy parts (but not scores) as needed for the original purchaser. In addition, I make site licensing available for large institutions with multiple performing organizations. See this link for a complete description. http://www.rgsmithmusic.com/Copyright.htm For several years I have been of the opinion that the present publishing model is outdated. Music goes out of print because of expenses of printing, storing, and marketing large print runs. For institutional use, it makes much more sense to print on demand from a .PDF or other electronic file. Publishers would dramatically reduce their expense, music dealers would not have to stock so much music that may or may not sell, and musicians would no longer see music go out of print. A music store's business would change to marketing popular music and musical books for mass consumption, earlier works not published electronically, and digital files of other works. Dealers could also profit from printing (for an additional fee) digital files for customers that don't want to print their own (or can't). I'll be glad when the laws reflect present reality. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Darcy James Argue wrote: > Keith has only ever been talking about his own use. But he (and > others) have assumed that legally, he must re-purchase a set of > replacement parts, and that re-engraving or photocopying the > deteriorating parts would be a violation of copyright. This seems > wrong to me on principle, but then again, much of copyright law does. > > Cheers, > > - Darcy > - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://secretsociety.typepad.com > Brooklyn, NY > > > > On 23 Aug 2006, at 1:33 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: > >> >> On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: >> >>> Can someone explain why, legally, Keith can't just photocopy or >>> re-engrave the deteriorating parts? >> >> For his own use, he absolutely can. The only problem is if he made a >> copy for somebody else who had not purchased the original. >> >> Andrew Stiller >> Kallisti Music Press >> http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > begin:vcard fn:Richard Smith n:Smith;Richard org:R.G. Smith Music Engraving & Publishing email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] url:http://www.rgsmithmusic.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 37, Issue 37
On 23.08.2006 Harold Steinhardt wrote: I still have to create a separate score to produce parts and then have to make changes in both places when I get corrections and changes from editors and publishers. What's different? I thought the I idea of linked parts would be to save time and effort when making changes and corrections. So far, this is not happening. I think Make Music rushed to get this out the door and did not finish the implementation of linked parts. In all fairness to MM I think your case is one where linked parts are likely to cause problems however well they are implemented. You can still benefit from it by having a score file and a parts file, which is still easier to work with than with numerous separate part files. I too have concerns about linked parts, but your case seems special enough to justify working with two files anyhow. For my workflow linked parts work pretty well in most circumstances. Cue notes are my main concern at the moment, which have actually become more trouble than they were before. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Hard copy backups (was Re: [Finale] Lawrence)
On 23 Aug 2006 at 13:50, Phil Daley wrote: > I believe that one of the copyright laws allows copying of "no longer > published parts". > > But I am far from a legal person. I don't know of any such law. In the case of videotaping, there is a Supreme Court decision that makes it legal to copy for personal use. I don't know for certain if this extends to music and software CDs. I can see using that SC decision as the basis for an argument that one should be able to copy out-of-print materials for personal use, but I don't know that the law has ever found that to be OK. However, I'd not hesitate to make my own part. But I would be very careful not to let anyone else use it outside the complete set of parts that I owned. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Hard copy backups (was Re: [Finale] Lawrence)
There is no provision in the copyright law which gives anybody such a right. I wish there were, but there isn't. Most publishers will grant permission to photocopy, often with the payment of a small fee, when they can't provide replacement parts, but the tricky part is in tracking down the current copyright owners. Of course, as someone else pointed out, some publishers have no idea about what works they actually own copyrights to, so the likelihood of their ever learning of copying as Keith wants to do is very slim. And since such copying is a civil infringement and not a criminal one, it would take an action by the copyright owner directly (or through a licensed agent) against Keith. That's probably not going to happen. David H. Bailey (not a lawyer) Phil Daley wrote: I believe that one of the copyright laws allows copying of "no longer published parts". But I am far from a legal person. At 8/23/2006 01:37 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Keith has only ever been talking about his own use. But he (and >others) have assumed that legally, he must re-purchase a set of >replacement parts, and that re-engraving or photocopying the >deteriorating parts would be a violation of copyright. This seems >wrong to me on principle, but then again, much of copyright law does. Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 37, Issue 37
Bummer. I never drag text blocks to position. I always set positions in the dialog box.Also I usually use different font sizes in the headers and footers t for the score compared to the parts. This is not unlinkable.I'm also very disappointed with measure numbering. Nearly every project I get has the requirement of measure numbers centered below the bottom staff on every measure in the score and above the top staff at the beginning of each line in the parts and different font size.I still have to create a separate score to produce parts and then have to make changes in both places when I get corrections and changes from editors and publishers. What's different? I thought the I idea of linked parts would be to save time and effort when making changes and corrections. So far, this is not happening. I think Make Music rushed to get this out the door and did not finish the implementation of linked parts.Harold SteinhardtOn Aug 23, 2006, at 12:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Is there, currently, a way to apply the override key to a menu action? For instance, if I want to reposition a text block in *all* parts, I would normally go to a part, then hold down the command key and drag the text block. Okay, that works well enough. But what if I don't want to reposition by dragging? What if I want to reposition using the "Edit Frame Attributes" menu? Is there a way to invoke that menu in order to reposition an item in all parts simultaneously? Or are we limited to dragging with the override key down? I just tried this. It looks like using the Edit Frame Attributes dialog in a part *automatically* affects all parts and score -- REGARDLESS of whether the item in the part is linked or unlinked. Grr. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Split Stems for Clusters
At 01:48 PM 8/23/06 -0400, you wrote: >I'm frankly astonished at the variety of cumbersome cluster-notation >methods being put forward here. I have always created clusters with the >smart-shape tool: enter just the top and bottom notes of the cluster, >then add a vertical smart-shape line about as thick as a beam (2 >points, if I remember correctly) linking the two notes and lying right >alongside the existing, normal stem (if any). For white-note clusters, >use the ordinary, thin smart-shape line, parallel to the stem but well >separated from it. > >This strikes me as much quicker, simpler, and more flexible than any >other method mentioned here so far. Depends on what you're used to. I can do the note-moving process very quickly (enter, change tool, select the noteheads to move, drag, done), and it also plays back without have to create a separate playback layer. Plus, if you looked at my examples, it's the easiest way to get those senza vibs or attached accidentals. But another useful solution is always welcome, especially since it's one that will work without asking clients to install fonts (and yes, two of my clients do want the Finale files to touch up themselves). Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Meter Changes
Another novice question. I'm working with a score that changes meter every now and then. I need to notate "parens, quarter note=quarter note, or dotted half = whole note, parens." The manual, as usual, guards these secrets. Any help is greatly appreciated. I would create a text _expression_ using Times New Roman 14 for the parens (and any preceding text) and EngraverTextT 12 for the notes, dots, equal sign, and any numerals. Note that EngraverTextT maps the notes to w, h, q, e, and x, and the numerals and other symbols as expected, so you can type what you want right into Finale's text _expression_ editor. Lee ActorComposer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonichttp://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Meter Changes
Title: Message The Tempo Indications fonts might provide what you want: http://www.hindson.com.au/wordpress/index.php/free-fonts-available-for-download/ -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce E. ClausenSent: 23 August 2006 18:38To: FinaleSubject: [Finale] Meter Changes Another novice question. I'm working with a score that changes meter every now and then. I need to notate "parens, quarter note=quarter note, or dotted half = whole note, parens." The manual, as usual, guards these secrets. Any help is greatly appreciated. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Hard copy backups (was Re: [Finale] Lawrence)
I believe that one of the copyright laws allows copying of "no longer published parts". But I am far from a legal person. At 8/23/2006 01:37 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Keith has only ever been talking about his own use. But he (and >others) have assumed that legally, he must re-purchase a set of >replacement parts, and that re-engraving or photocopying the >deteriorating parts would be a violation of copyright. This seems >wrong to me on principle, but then again, much of copyright law does. Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Split Stems for Clusters
On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 08:44 PM 8/22/06 -0400, Darcy James Argue wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense to use large block noteheads instead of split stems for forearm clusters? Sorry, I was just talking about clusters. But there's only one large block notehead in Maestro, and it's hollow and rectangular. In the special tools for notehead, I don't see other options. If you want a rounded solid notehead, what do you use? Or is there another way of doing it? I'm frankly astonished at the variety of cumbersome cluster-notation methods being put forward here. I have always created clusters with the smart-shape tool: enter just the top and bottom notes of the cluster, then add a vertical smart-shape line about as thick as a beam (2 points, if I remember correctly) linking the two notes and lying right alongside the existing, normal stem (if any). For white-note clusters, use the ordinary, thin smart-shape line, parallel to the stem but well separated from it. This strikes me as much quicker, simpler, and more flexible than any other method mentioned here so far. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Meter Changes
Another novice question. I'm working with a score that changes meter every now and then. I need to notate "parens, quarter note=quarter note, or dotted half = whole note, parens." The manual, as usual, guards these secrets. Any help is greatly appreciated. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Hard copy backups (was Re: [Finale] Lawrence)
Keith has only ever been talking about his own use. But he (and others) have assumed that legally, he must re-purchase a set of replacement parts, and that re-engraving or photocopying the deteriorating parts would be a violation of copyright. This seems wrong to me on principle, but then again, much of copyright law does. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 23 Aug 2006, at 1:33 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Can someone explain why, legally, Keith can't just photocopy or re- engrave the deteriorating parts? For his own use, he absolutely can. The only problem is if he made a copy for somebody else who had not purchased the original. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Hard copy backups (was Re: [Finale] Lawrence)
On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Can someone explain why, legally, Keith can't just photocopy or re-engrave the deteriorating parts? For his own use, he absolutely can. The only problem is if he made a copy for somebody else who had not purchased the original. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Linked parts override key actions
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 02:59 AM 8/23/2006, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Is there, currently, a way to apply the override key to a menu action? > >For instance, if I want to reposition a text block in *all* parts, I >would normally go to a part, then hold down the command key and drag >the text block. Okay, that works well enough. But what if I don't >want to reposition by dragging? What if I want to reposition using >the "Edit Frame Attributes" menu? Is there a way to invoke that menu >in order to reposition an item in all parts simultaneously? Or are we >limited to dragging with the override key down? I just tried this. It looks like using the Edit Frame Attributes dialog in a part *automatically* affects all parts and score -- REGARDLESS of whether the item in the part is linked or unlinked. Grr. Just another example of what many of us already knew -- in the computer world, never put too much faith in version 1.0 of anything. ;-) On the other hand, it's important for all of us to realize that while these frustrations wouldn't happen in an ideal world, and the presence of such justified complaints can make it seem as if linked score/parts isn't such a good thing, for many projects, it works just fine. The sorts of complaints that this has generated fairly accurately mirrors (not in the specifics, but in the nature of the complaints and the number of them) those on the Sibelius list when version 4.0 introduced linked score/parts for them. Getting into the minutiae of what someone might want to be able to do with such a feature reveals areas that will need further improvement, but for many projects, such things as Darcy and Aaron are discussing won't be important. Of course, for those to whom such things ARE important, it will be quite frustrating until MakeMusic releases a Finale upgrade which will contain version 2 of linked score/parts. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Linked parts override key actions
At 02:59 AM 8/23/2006, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Is there, currently, a way to apply the override key to a menu action? > >For instance, if I want to reposition a text block in *all* parts, I >would normally go to a part, then hold down the command key and drag >the text block. Okay, that works well enough. But what if I don't >want to reposition by dragging? What if I want to reposition using >the "Edit Frame Attributes" menu? Is there a way to invoke that menu >in order to reposition an item in all parts simultaneously? Or are we >limited to dragging with the override key down? I just tried this. It looks like using the Edit Frame Attributes dialog in a part *automatically* affects all parts and score -- REGARDLESS of whether the item in the part is linked or unlinked. Grr. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Hard copy backups (was Re: [Finale] Lawrence)
Darcy James Argue wrote: Can someone explain why, legally, Keith can't just photocopy or re-engrave the deteriorating parts? Well, one consideration here is that because Keith is in a different jurisdiction, different copyright laws may apply. That said, personally, if I were in Keith's situation, having once purchased a legitimate score and set of parts, and having made a diligent effort to find a supplier for a legitimate replacement, having failed that, I would re-engrave the score and necessary parts as needed, reserving an amount of money equal to the likely cost of a replacement to forward to the copyright holder, should I ever determine who that might be. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Linked parts override key actions
Is there, currently, a way to apply the override key to a menu action? For instance, if I want to reposition a text block in *all* parts, I would normally go to a part, then hold down the command key and drag the text block. Okay, that works well enough. But what if I don't want to reposition by dragging? What if I want to reposition using the "Edit Frame Attributes" menu? Is there a way to invoke that menu in order to reposition an item in all parts simultaneously? Or are we limited to dragging with the override key down? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
