Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 124, Issue 10
Anyone know whether the bug on accidentals tied into the next measure has been fixed in the 2014 version? In all past versions, if you scan in a score and have a note that is natural in the key signature but has an accidental in front of it in this instance and the note is tied to another note in the next measure, you invariably find that the note in the next measure is natural and does not have the accidental applied. It looks normal, but if you delete the tie you see that the accidental does not appear. On playback you get an half step rise or fall in pitch as you cross the end of measure line. Very frustrating. After scanning in a score you have to check every tied accidental and make sure it is done right. For musical typesetting application it does not matter because it looks right. It is only a problem for playback. The same problem happens if the note is sharp or flat in the key signature and a natural sign is applied in front of the note which is tied into the next measure. The note in the nest measure is not natural, but sharp or flat as in the key signature. I find this a very annoying and time wasting bug in the program. Clif Ashcraft On Nov 12, 2013, at 1:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: Send Finale mailing list submissions to finale@shsu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to finale-requ...@shsu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at finale-ow...@shsu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Finale digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: random thoughts on 2014 (Craig Parmerlee) 2. Playing back a score (Barbara Levy) 3. Re: Playing back a score (christopher.sm...@videotron.ca) 4. Re: Playing back a score (dershem) 5. Re: Playing back a score (John Blane) 6. Re: Playing back a score (John Blane) From: Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com Date: November 11, 2013 2:36:10 PM EST To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Yes, this is exactly what happens to me. I find myself sight-reading live performances a more often than I would like. I guess I am good enough at it that people are willing to call me in an emergency. Every time I trip up on one of these redundant accidentals non-parenthesized, I cuss the mother of whoever did that notation. Either put the parentheses in there or leave out the cautionaries altogether. That's why we have key signatures. The only exception I would make is for music targeted at students in the 8th-20th week of playing an instrument. Before that time, they don't see accidentals. After that time, they should be reading accidentals properly. On 11/10/2013 4:45 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote: Steve P, I agree entirely. On seeing a cautionary accidental without parenthesis I would, for a split second, think I must have missed a natural earlier. That split second is enough to disturb my sight reading. All the best, Lawrence On 10 November 2013 19:43, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: another differing opinion.. I sightread a lot for a living, but I don't like cautionarys without parentheses - I find they make my eyes skip back to the key sig. or original accidental to check. In keyless music, parantheses are usually redundant. Steve P. On 10 Nov 2013, at 20:27, Christopher Smith wrote: If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are easier to read. I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a distance, parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural) into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! Christopher From: Barbara Levy barb...@msn.com Date: November 11, 2013 6:07:15 PM EST To: Finale Discussion finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Playing back a score Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Hello, all OK, I'm trying to play back a score with a chord progression on the piano part. Is there any way to turn off the playing of the chords so I can hear the melody and the other parts
Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 124, Issue 10
I agree 100% that accidentals ABOVE the note is the way to add cautionary acci's. Solves all of the problems mentioned. On Nov 13, 2013 3:35 AM, Clif Ashcraft wa2...@optonline.net wrote: Anyone know whether the bug on accidentals tied into the next measure has been fixed in the 2014 version? In all past versions, if you scan in a score and have a note that is natural in the key signature but has an accidental in front of it in this instance and the note is tied to another note in the next measure, you invariably find that the note in the next measure is natural and does not have the accidental applied. It looks normal, but if you delete the tie you see that the accidental does not appear. On playback you get an half step rise or fall in pitch as you cross the end of measure line. Very frustrating. After scanning in a score you have to check every tied accidental and make sure it is done right. For musical typesetting application it does not matter because it looks right. It is only a problem for playback. The same problem happens if the note is sharp or flat in the key signature and a natural sign is applied in front of the note which is tied into the next measure. The note in the nest measure is not natural, but sharp or flat as in the key signature. I find this a very annoying and time wasting bug in the program. Clif Ashcraft On Nov 12, 2013, at 1:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: Send Finale mailing list submissions to finale@shsu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to finale-requ...@shsu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at finale-ow...@shsu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Finale digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: random thoughts on 2014 (Craig Parmerlee) 2. Playing back a score (Barbara Levy) 3. Re: Playing back a score (christopher.sm...@videotron.ca) 4. Re: Playing back a score (dershem) 5. Re: Playing back a score (John Blane) 6. Re: Playing back a score (John Blane) From: Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com Date: November 11, 2013 2:36:10 PM EST To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Yes, this is exactly what happens to me. I find myself sight-reading live performances a more often than I would like. I guess I am good enough at it that people are willing to call me in an emergency. Every time I trip up on one of these redundant accidentals non-parenthesized, I cuss the mother of whoever did that notation. Either put the parentheses in there or leave out the cautionaries altogether. That's why we have key signatures. The only exception I would make is for music targeted at students in the 8th-20th week of playing an instrument. Before that time, they don't see accidentals. After that time, they should be reading accidentals properly. On 11/10/2013 4:45 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote: Steve P, I agree entirely. On seeing a cautionary accidental without parenthesis I would, for a split second, think I must have missed a natural earlier. That split second is enough to disturb my sight reading. All the best, Lawrence On 10 November 2013 19:43, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: another differing opinion.. I sightread a lot for a living, but I don't like cautionarys without parentheses - I find they make my eyes skip back to the key sig. or original accidental to check. In keyless music, parantheses are usually redundant. Steve P. On 10 Nov 2013, at 20:27, Christopher Smith wrote: If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are easier to read. I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a distance, parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural) into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! Christopher From: Barbara Levy barb...@msn.com Date: November 11, 2013 6:07:15 PM EST To: Finale Discussion finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Playing back
