Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave

[Christopher Smith]

Son of a…
That's a major, data-erasing bug, and MakeMusic should know of it ASAP. I hope 
you have opened a tech support case detailing what you told us.

Thanks for tracking this down, and sorry it cost you data.

Christopher


On Wed Feb 18, at WednesdayFeb 18 2:27 AM, John Roberts wrote:

> I had started the thread on AutoSave and I just got a new one. The 
> message: "The file  could not be Autosaved. This file doesn't 
> exist." That's the file I am just working on, and had done a Save As to 
> this name.
> 
> I tracked this down to an illegal filename character (slash), from an 
> old system of naming files I was still using. Finale will open, work 
> with, and save files with a slash in the name, but not autosave.
> 
> I should have said before, I'm on an iMac, OSX Yosemite, Finale 2014d.
> 
> The autosave file is deleted when the parent file is closed (as Chuck 
> says, this seems to be new in 2014). I tried to simulate a crash by 
> force-quitting Finale. When I reopened Finale the active file opened 
> when I started the program, with changes that I had not manually saved 
> but were in the asv file. This would seem to be how it's designed to work.
> 
> I got the same result forcing a crash by manually shutting off the 
> computer - the file opened as it had been autosaved. If I had crashed 
> after doing a number of changes I didn't want to keep I would go find 
> the .bak backup file. This seems to be a good reason to check the Make 
> Backups When Saving Files prefs option.
> 
> So autosave is now a fully automatic function. If a file has been 
> autosaved, that's what opens after a crash; you can't open an asv file 
> as such. If you close your original, the asv goes too. If you 
> inadvertently close it, too bad.
> 
> And so to bed...
> 
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Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave

[Barbara Touburg]

On 18-2-2015 8:27, John Roberts wrote:
> I had started the thread on AutoSave and I just got a new one. The
> message: "The file  could not be Autosaved. This file doesn't
> exist." That's the file I am just working on, and had done a Save As to
> this name.
>
> I tracked this down to an illegal filename character (slash), from an
> old system of naming files I was still using. Finale will open, work
> with, and save files with a slash in the name, but not autosave.

That was exactly the message I got. I remember now.

But - but - my file was called "van_delden.mus". There's no illegal 
character there.

?
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[Finale] Templates

[Steve Parker]

I have a small but time consuming problem with items disappearing.
Tech support have told me it is because I’m using a template made in a Finale 
version before 2014 and that I should create new Templates in 2014.
Almost every setting is tweaked as well as a lot of carefully placed items, so 
this seems an overwhelming job for every template that I use.

Is there any way of printing the settings or is there a file hidden somewhere 
that I can raid for text of the templates’ settings?

Thanks,

Steve P.


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Re: [Finale] Corrupt file

[David Woodard]

If all else fails, scan back in and edit.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Barbara Touburg 
wrote:

> On 17-2-2015 17:25, Gerardo Delgado wrote:
> > And saving the file with another name?
>
> I'm afraid the music is really gone. :(
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Re: [Finale] Corrupt file

[Barbara Touburg]

On 18-2-2015 22:10, David Woodard wrote:
> If all else fails, scan back in and edit.

What do you mean by that?
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Re: [Finale] Templates

[SN jef chippewa]

when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible 
page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen 
and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring 
the settings one by one. yuck.

thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, 
ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed 
numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed 
alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the 
dialogue tabs

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Re: [Finale] Templates

[Steve Parker]

I was dreading that that might be the solution.. 
I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere…

Are there any gotchas?
I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items.. anything else?

Thanks!

Steve P.

> On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible 
> page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen 
> and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring 
> the settings one by one. yuck.
> 
> thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, 
> ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed 
> numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed 
> alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the 
> dialogue tabs
> 
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Re: [Finale] Templates

[SN jef chippewa]

document options i would think gets it all.  if 
upgrading then also programme options.

libraries:
- stem connections
- articulations
- text expressions
- ...

depending on how much of an overhaul you are doing.

i did this between 2012 and 2014, started with a 
"new doc no libraries".  was a big pain in the 
ass, but also an opportunity to clean up my 
working environment at the same time.  i was 
fortunate in being able to do it in a little bit 
of downtime and not in the middle of a new 
project with time constraints.


>I was dreading that that might be the solution..
>I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhereŠ
>
>Are there any gotchas?
>I need libraries, document settings, details of 
>any page items.. anything else?

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Re: [Finale] Templates

[Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre]

Don't document options save to libraries?

I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my customized 
library to scratch documents.

One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape lines.

Klaus 

Sendt fra min iPad

> Den 18/02/2015 kl. 22.44 skrev Steve Parker :
> 
> I was dreading that that might be the solution.. 
> I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere…
> 
> Are there any gotchas?
> I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items.. anything 
> else?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Steve P.
> 
>> On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible 
>> page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen 
>> and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring 
>> the settings one by one. yuck.
>> 
>> thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, 
>> ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed 
>> numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed 
>> alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the 
>> dialogue tabs
>> 

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Re: [Finale] Templates

[Girard Bowe]

Recreating a template for a new version is a tortuous and torturous task.
Robert Patterson's Scrapbook Setting plugin just doesn't seem to work for
me, and I'm not sure it's comprehensive enough to completely recreate a
template with all one's refinements.

If someone came up with a plug-in that did this reliably, I'd pay good money
for it. I've requested this from the Finale developers, but they didn't
bite.

Giz
Richmond VA

|-Original Message-
|From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
|SN jef chippewa
|Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 5:36 PM
|To: finale@shsu.edu
|Subject: Re: [Finale] Templates
|
|
|when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible page in
the
|document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen and the images on
|my smaller screen and hacked through transferring the settings one by one.
yuck.
|
|thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short,
|ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed numbers to
them
|(1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed alphabetically corresponding
to the
|order in which they appear in the dialogue tabs 

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Re: [Finale] Templates

[Steve Parker]

I’m also worried that whatever is causing the disappearance of items is going 
to get transferred by importing my libraries.

Steve P.

> On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:01, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't document options save to libraries?
> 
> I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my customized 
> library to scratch documents.
> 
> One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape lines.
> 
> Klaus 
> 
> Sendt fra min iPad
> 
>> Den 18/02/2015 kl. 22.44 skrev Steve Parker :
>> 
>> I was dreading that that might be the solution.. 
>> I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere…
>> 
>> Are there any gotchas?
>> I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items.. anything 
>> else?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Steve P.
>> 
>>> On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible 
>>> page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen 
>>> and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring 
>>> the settings one by one. yuck.
>>> 
>>> thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, 
>>> ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed 
>>> numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed 
>>> alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the 
>>> dialogue tabs
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Templates

[Robert Patterson]

Personally I am skeptical that the upgraded templates are the source of
your problem. It's possible, I suppose, but I would want more than the word
of a tech support person to believe it. When you say things are
disappearing, what does that mean?

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:

> I’m also worried that whatever is causing the disappearance of items is
> going to get transferred by importing my libraries.
>
> Steve P.
>
> > On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:01, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre <
> yorkmaster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Don't document options save to libraries?
> >
> > I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my
> customized library to scratch documents.
> >
> > One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape lines.
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> > Sendt fra min iPad
> >
> >> Den 18/02/2015 kl. 22.44 skrev Steve Parker :
> >>
> >> I was dreading that that might be the solution..
> >> I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere…
> >>
> >> Are there any gotchas?
> >> I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items..
> anything else?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Steve P.
> >>
> >>> On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa <
> shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible
> >>> page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen
> >>> and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring
> >>> the settings one by one. yuck.
> >>>
> >>> thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short,
> >>> ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed
> >>> numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed
> >>> alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the
> >>> dialogue tabs
> >>>
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Re: [Finale] Templates

[SN jef chippewa]

>Don't document options save to libraries?

the two times i needed to do this: 1) i started from scratch so did 
it from the ground up; 2) i needed only some of the settings, and 
kept some in the doc i was importing to so had no choice but to do it 
one by one (certain libraries can be imported individually but 
certain areas are only possible to export as a library in a bundle).

>I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my 
>customized library to scratch documents.
>One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape lines.

some stem connection settings are not imported in a stem connections library.

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Re: [Finale] Templates

[Steve Parker]

Two things. 
Firstly, the name of the score in score manager doesn't survive closing the 
file. 
Secondly, text boxes with inserts disappear when the file is closed and 
re-opened. 
I couldn't get further with tech support. These things didn't happen with new 
files created from the wizard and they did happen with template-created files 
from 2008 and 2012. 
I would have thought that Finale would be interested in what was going on, but 
it seemed not. 
I'm not sure what could be up with the templates other than settings. 
They can't all have corrupted in the same way overnight. 
The work to start them all again is depressing.. There are some jobs that will 
just not be worth the work. 

Steve P. 


> On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:10, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> Personally I am skeptical that the upgraded templates are the source of
> your problem. It's possible, I suppose, but I would want more than the word
> of a tech support person to believe it. When you say things are
> disappearing, what does that mean?
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m also worried that whatever is causing the disappearance of items is
>> going to get transferred by importing my libraries.
>> 
>> Steve P.
>> 
 On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:01, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre <
>>> yorkmaster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't document options save to libraries?
>>> 
>>> I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my
>> customized library to scratch documents.
>>> 
>>> One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape lines.
>>> 
>>> Klaus
>>> 
>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>> 
 Den 18/02/2015 kl. 22.44 skrev Steve Parker :
 
 I was dreading that that might be the solution..
 I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere…
 
 Are there any gotchas?
 I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items..
>> anything else?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Steve P.
 
> On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa <
>> shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible
> page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen
> and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring
> the settings one by one. yuck.
> 
> thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short,
> ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed
> numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed
> alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the
> dialogue tabs
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Re: [Finale] Templates

[Robert Patterson]

I would recommend opening the templates in their original version and
running data check on them. Then open them in Fin14 and run data check on
them again. Save the result as a Fin14 template and see if you continue to
have the problem.

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:

> Two things.
> Firstly, the name of the score in score manager doesn't survive closing
> the file.
> Secondly, text boxes with inserts disappear when the file is closed and
> re-opened.
> I couldn't get further with tech support. These things didn't happen with
> new files created from the wizard and they did happen with template-created
> files from 2008 and 2012.
> I would have thought that Finale would be interested in what was going on,
> but it seemed not.
> I'm not sure what could be up with the templates other than settings.
> They can't all have corrupted in the same way overnight.
> The work to start them all again is depressing.. There are some jobs that
> will just not be worth the work.
>
> Steve P.
>
>
> > On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:10, Robert Patterson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Personally I am skeptical that the upgraded templates are the source of
> > your problem. It's possible, I suppose, but I would want more than the
> word
> > of a tech support person to believe it. When you say things are
> > disappearing, what does that mean?
> >
> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Steve Parker 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m also worried that whatever is causing the disappearance of items is
> >> going to get transferred by importing my libraries.
> >>
> >> Steve P.
> >>
>  On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:01, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre <
> >>> yorkmaster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Don't document options save to libraries?
> >>>
> >>> I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my
> >> customized library to scratch documents.
> >>>
> >>> One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape
> lines.
> >>>
> >>> Klaus
> >>>
> >>> Sendt fra min iPad
> >>>
>  Den 18/02/2015 kl. 22.44 skrev Steve Parker :
> 
>  I was dreading that that might be the solution..
>  I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere…
> 
>  Are there any gotchas?
>  I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items..
> >> anything else?
> 
>  Thanks!
> 
>  Steve P.
> 
> > On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa <
> >> shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible
> > page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen
> > and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring
> > the settings one by one. yuck.
> >
> > thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short,
> > ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed
> > numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed
> > alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the
> > dialogue tabs
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Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave

[Kenneth Moore]

How I try to put belt and braces on my self-supporting trousers.

Autosave was on by default when I installed F2014 on Windows 8.1 (just 
before Christmas 2014 on a new Lenovo laptop) and has never given me any 
trouble on several different versions of FInale since the mid 90s; it 
saved me some minutes of work two days ago when a security program did a 
forced reboot of Windows without asking.  I try to save with Control S 
frequently.  My back-up folder is on one of two flash drives that I 
alternate, so that if Finale wrecks all three working files, I have a 
copy from the previous session.  When I am not using the computer, both 
flash drives are on strings around my neck, so that my portfolio is 
saved if the house burns down with the laptop in it.

Where computers are concerned, my hopes are higher than my expectations.

Ken Moore
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