Re: [Finale] was OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Am 02.03.2011 um 21:07 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz:

> Apropos of future archives, maybe. :) I thought I'd mention it, since it just
> appeared within the hour...
> 

Is that the American-Pie-Don-McLean in the 2nd photo?


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Re: [Finale] was OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Am 02.03.2011 um 19:31 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz:

> And sometimes I do something like this
>  in order to make earlier
> pieces playable for a while longer.

You're a passinate afiçionado, aren't you?

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[Finale] Resurrecting old scores

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Hello!

Am 02.03.2011 um 14:50 schrieb Christopher Smith:

> I am, though, per Darcy's suggestions, going to make PDF prints of all my 
> documents from now on, so at least I can reconstruct them if the file format 
> goes bad in newer versions.

Reading this I just wanted to let you all know of a software called "PDF to 
Music", which is an application that converts PDF files produced by Finale, 
Sibelius or other notation software into MIDI or MusicXML files.
Though it's in no way perfect, it can save you a lot of time compared with 
scanning printed music.

Website with trial: 


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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Hello Dennis!

Am 02.03.2011 um 02:54 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz:

> On Tue, March 1, 2011 4:15 pm, Gerhard Torges wrote:
>> In ancient Greece, I'm sure the poets also hat costumes, masks etc. for a
>> play. And they would have recorded them if they had been able to.
>> But they weren't, and so only their texts remain.
>> And these texts are valuable enough, don't you think?
> 
> Certainly not!

Hmm.
Perhaps I didn't write clearly enough what I meant.
I was about to say that the ancient texts are still valuable, even if we don't 
have additional information.
But as I am writing this, it comes to my mind that we actually have  some 
performance descriptions for ancient theatre.
It's not a video recording, but that's all we have.
It's not completely lost.

> And since electroacoustic music depends on, well, electronics, the future is
> dim for that work.
> 
>> I mean, what's the essence of these works?
>> Can't that be put on paper?
> 
> Absolutely not.

So think about a description.
What can you hear/see/smell during the performance?
This could be easily archived, then.

> And how long do you think even a Finale printout will last, whether laser
> (short) or inkjet (longer)? We don't have printer technology that uses
> surface-bonding ink (such as letterpress or offset) except at the most
> expensive levels of production.

I was told laser prints on acid-fre paper would last longest.

>>> And the question remains: Who will do this? Translation: Who will pay for
>>> it?
>> 
>> Anyone who cares.
>> Anyone who thinks there's enough value in it to be preserved for future
>> generations.
>> Don't you think?
> 
> Not sure what planet you live on, Gerhard! Even 'famous' archives have gone
> begging these days.

Yes, I know.

Maybe we'll have to live with that.
Nothing lasts forever.


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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Hello Dennis!

Am 01.03.2011 um 00:47 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz:

> On Mon, February 28, 2011 5:16 pm, Gerhard Torges wrote:
>> 
>> Am 28.02.2011 um 21:54 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz:
>> 
>>> As I struggle with updating the archives of the Vermont Composers (as well
>>> as
>>> my own work), I wonder: Who will do this? Will the work of an entire
>>> generation be lost?
>> 
>> Not if it's taken care of.
>> 
>> This is, transferring it into a format which can be read independent of
>> machines of any kind. Paper.
>> 
>> Write down your works on paper, an they'll last.
> 
> Scores. Recordings. Videos. Scores. Costumes. Electroacoustics. Devices. It's
> an archive, and in the age of technology, the tiniest speck is on paper.

Unfortunately, as we realize now.

In ancient Greece, I'm sure the poets also hat costumes, masks etc. for a play. 
And they would have recorded them if they had been able to.
But they weren't, and so only their texts remain.
And these texts are valuable enough, don't you think?

I mean, what's the essence of these works?
Can't that be put on paper?

> And the question remains: Who will do this? Translation: Who will pay for it?

Anyone who cares.
Anyone who thinks there's enough value in it to be preserved for future 
generations.

Don't you think?



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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

[Gerhard Torges]

Hello Richard!

Am 01.03.2011 um 00:46 schrieb Richard Yates:

>>> As I struggle with updating the archives of the Vermont Composers (as
>>> well as my own work), I wonder: Who will do this? Will the work of an
>>> entire generation be lost?
>> 
>> Not if it's taken care of.
>> 
>> This is, transferring it into a format which can be read independent of
> machines of
>> any kind. Paper.
>> 
>> Write down your works on paper, an they'll last.
>> Gerhard
> 
> Yes and, before long, music scanning software will have advanced
> sufficiently to import it. 

This could take a while. :-)

BTW: Are you related to guitarist Stanley Yates?

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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Hello David!

Am 28.02.2011 um 23:56 schrieb David W. Fenton:

> On 28 Feb 2011 at 23:26, Gerhard Torges wrote:
> 
>> The main difference is not "paid" vs. "unpaid".
>> It is "open" (for examination and tweaking or repair) or "closed".
> 
> If open source software was not so bad in terms of user interface, 
> this might be compelling.

That's a big disadvantage I have to admit.

> As well, there's the issue of how you find somebody to do the fixing. 
> You have to have a programmer who understands the codebase, or all 
> the openness will do you no good whatsoever.

Of course, right.
But it won't to any bad, either. :-)

> It's a very Libertarian kind of thing, which is one of the reasons I 
> have a lot of suspicion of the hype.

So that's an interesting statement.
You're from the US, right?
So what is so bad about Liberty? 

> I'm a full supporter of the Open Source movement, and use a lot of 
> Open Source software (MySQL, Apache, PHP, Audacity, and probably 
> others I'm forgetting). But they zealots definitely overpromise for 
> it, which is one of the reasons it is so often dismissed by so many.

Yes. 
I think the zealots are so proud that they've achieved so much they tend to be 
more enthusiastic than would be justified by a neutral comparison to commercial 
software.


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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Am 28.02.2011 um 23:47 schrieb David W. Fenton:

> On 28 Feb 2011 at 22:35, Gerhard Torges wrote:
> 
>> Am 28.02.2011 um 21:22 schrieb David W. Fenton:
>> 
>>> I don't think conversion is really an option, as it requires 
>>> completely redoing the layout (or, at least, proofing to make sure
>>> the layout is unchanged).
>> 
>> That may be the case today.
> 
> It will be the case for these older versions forever.

Only until someone writes a better converter for these.


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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Hello Eric!

Am 28.02.2011 um 22:41 schrieb Eric Dannewitz:

> I don't think I'd want Finale 3.2 resurrected on a modern platform anymore 
> than I'd want Photoshop 1.0 even if the source code was available and someone 
> toiled on it for no financial gain to make it run. What happens if something 
> goes wrong?

Something can go wrong with Finale, too.

> What if my Score for this Grammy piece I was working on yesterday didn't save 
> or won't open anymore. Or if none of them open anymore? 

All this can happen with Finale, too.

> I'll stick to paid software thanks.

The main difference is not "paid" vs. "unpaid".
It is "open" (for examination and tweaking or repair) or "closed".

If closed, like Finale or Sibelius, only the original Software company can help 
with bugs, correct them and probably repair broken files.
As long as this particular company exists.

Just imagine yourself being only be able to be healed if sick by teh doctor who 
got you out of you mother's belly.

Open source software can by maintained and bugs can be fixed by virtually 
anyone.


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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Hello Eric!

Am 28.02.2011 um 22:41 schrieb Eric Dannewitz:

> I don't think I'd want Finale 3.2 resurrected on a modern platform anymore 
> than I'd want Photoshop 1.0 even if the source code was available and someone 
> toiled on it for no financial gain to make it run. What happens if something 
> goes wrong?

Something can go wrong with Finale, too.

> What if my Score for this Grammy piece I was working on yesterday didn't save 
> or won't open anymore. Or if none of them open anymore? 

All this can happen with Finale, too.

> I'll stick to paid software thanks.

The main difference is not "paid" vs. "unpaid".
It is "open" (for examination and tweaking or repair) or "closed".

If closed, like Finale or Sibelius, only the original Software company can help 
with bugs, correct them and probably repair broken files.
As long as this particular company exists.

Just imagine yourself being only be able to be healed if sick by teh doctor who 
got you out of you mother's belly.

Open source software can by maintained and bugs can be fixed by virtually 
anyone.


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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Am 28.02.2011 um 21:54 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz:

> As I struggle with updating the archives of the Vermont Composers (as well as
> my own work), I wonder: Who will do this? Will the work of an entire
> generation be lost?

Not if it's taken care of.

This is, transferring it into a format which can be read independent of 
machines of any kind. Paper.

Write down your works on paper, an they'll last.


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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Am 28.02.2011 um 22:16 schrieb Robert Patterson:

> I'd be interesting in finding out about other open source initiatives for
> music, especially an audio editor.

Audacity?


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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Am 28.02.2011 um 21:22 schrieb David W. Fenton:

> I don't think conversion is really an option, as it requires 
> completely redoing the layout (or, at least, proofing to make sure 
> the layout is unchanged).

That may be the case today.

> This, to me, is an unacceptable solution 
> for those with lots of legacy files.

But it is caused only by the undisclosed file format and bad converters.


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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Hello David!

Am 28.02.2011 um 20:12 schrieb David W. Fenton:

> On 28 Feb 2011 at 11:24, Gerhard Torges wrote:
> 
>> And let's face it: The need to run Finale 2004 on obsolete hard- and
>> software just to be able to convert even older Finale scores to be
>> able to being re-used in more recent versions of the software shows
>> only one thing very, very clearly: The Finale makers did a bad job
>> regarding file formats in the past, and they do a bad job regarding
>> converting these formats today.
>> 
>> So if anyone worries about his pre-2004 compositions and files,
>> MakeMusic is where to complain.
> 
> Certainly it would be nice if MM could create a file format that 
> could accommodate cross-version compatibility issues. But that won't 
> fix old files that aren't in any potential new file format.

Of course not, but that's not what I was up to.

> Those with lots of legacy files are stuck with the situation in 
> Finale. And there was a stable solution until the point at which 
> Apple stops supporting the old software.

There was a stable solution, and there still is!

The Finale-2004-on-Rosetta solution will continue to work as long as your 
present 10.6 Mac will live. And that's a pretty long time in the future, I'd 
estimate 3 years minimum.
 
>> They could do a standalone converter, sold seperately, so the cost of
>> supporting the old file formats would'nt affect the price of new
>> Finale versions.
> 
> But it's not going to happen. MakeMusic has fewer resources than 
> Apple does, and you're excusing Apple from providing backward 
> compatibility, so it is illogical that for a much, much smaller 
> company with far fewer resources you would put the onus on them for 
> solving a problem that is only in part created by them.

If you say so -- I can't tell.
The next best solution would be to fully document the old file formats and/or 
to make Finale 2004 open source.

Come in the lawyers … :-)


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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Hello David,

Am 28.02.2011 um 20:09 schrieb David W. Fenton:

> On 28 Feb 2011 at 11:24, Gerhard Torges wrote:
> 
>> I'd be glad if Apple did announcements like this one as early as they
>> can, giving developers and users plenty of time to find their way out
>> of looming dilemmas.
> 
> How does a long warning period help a Finale user who has archives of 
> old files going back several versions? Are you saying they should 
> convert all of them before switching? For some Finale users that 
> would mean they wouldn't have any time to do anything else!

The longer the time you know of event X before it happens, the more time you 
have to prepare for it, generally speaking.

I agree with you -- the average finale user won't be able to do much more than 
grieving longer. If realizes the impact on his work at all.
But if he does, he can -- at least -- demand a solution from Make Music (or 
Apple) and spend more time on that.

> Virtualization solves all of these problems, and that's why I'm still 
> puzzled as to why it's not more widespread on the Mac, and, 
> secondarily, why Apple is not providing it itself.

Virtualization is a good approach on this, I agree.

But it's only postponing the real solution, that being the conversion of the 
scores to a newer (and hopefully more open and documented) file format.

In the end, any Finale, Sibelius or MuseScore file is only a representation of 
music and their graphical presentation.

And the lack of interoperability origins from the idea o all-in-one software 
monsters like Sibelius and Finale.

How nice would it be if you could purchase a basic sheet music editor from Make 
Music, the add a "magnetic layout" module from Sibelius/Avid if needed, play 
back the whole thing with any soft synth you like -- and do all of this inside 
a modular bnut consistent work space.

Ah, I'm beginning to dream. :-)


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Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps

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Hello folks!

Am 28.02.2011 um 05:37 schrieb Robert Patterson:

> Apple has clearly done the calculation and figured it is more
> cost effective for them to drop Rosetta than expend the effort to continue
> to support it. Given the cost of constant regression testing, I can't say I
> really blame them.

That's right.

Apple simply hasn't got the means to nearly endlessly support old software, 
processor architectures or data format.
Microsoft still is the far bigger company if you look at employee figures, so 
they can do support much longer than Apple.

I'd be glad if Apple did announcements like this one as early as they can, 
giving developers and users plenty of time to find their way out of looming 
dilemmas.

Supporting old stuff simply prevents putting as much effort as you can in new 
shiny things. And it's the new thing that sell!

To me, a frequently polished and bug-fixed Mac OS X is the better choice when 
weighed against Rosetta or Mac OS 9 compatibility.

And let's face it: The need to run Finale 2004 on obsolete hard- and software 
just to be able to convert even older Finale scores to be able to being re-used 
in more recent versions of the software shows only one thing very, very 
clearly: The Finale makers did a bad job regarding file formats in the past, 
and they do a bad job regarding converting these formats today.

So if anyone worries about his pre-2004 compositions and files, MakeMusic is 
where to complain.

They could do a standalone converter, sold seperately, so the cost of 
supporting the old file formats would'nt affect the price of new Finale 
versions.

Just my $0.02,


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Re: [Finale] copyright symbol not printing

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Hello!

Am 19.02.2011 um 16:36 schrieb Nick Raspa :

> I have been unable to get the copyright symbol to print on a couple of scores 
> and parts.  

Perhaps it's copy protected?

SCNR,


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Re: [Finale] copyright symbol not printing

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Am 19.02.2011 um 16:36 schrieb Nick Raspa :

> I have been unable to get the copyright symbol to print on a couple of scores 
> and parts.  The font is times and I've ensured that all the fonts are 
> embedded when I convert it to post script.  I doesn't even show up on the 
> pdf.  What I end up getting is an apostrophe where the symbol should be.  The 
> rest of the copyright notice prints fine.  Does anyone know what may be 
> causing the problem?
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Re: [Finale] MuseScore vs. Finale

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Hello Dennis!

Am 02.02.2011 um 03:16 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz:

> On Tue, February 1, 2011 2:58 pm, Gerhard Torges wrote:
>> Then the examples on the website are probably not done with the software. :-D
> 
> The examples on the website were done with Graphire and they came packaged as 
> samples with the software.

I am not at all familiar with Graphire Music Press.
My comment was intended to be a sarcastic remark on the general topic of 
"advertising vs. reality".

> They were done by a composer/engraver who is now
> living as a monk and no longer uses technology.

Now that's an interesting story!

Where can I read more about that?


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Re: [Finale] MuseScore vs. Finale

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Hello John!

Am 02.02.2011 um 02:34 schrieb John Howell :

> At 9:00 PM +0100 2/1/11, Gerhard Torges wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> But unfortunately, you have to enable the accent in Sibelius before entering 
>> the note.
> 
> ??  Not at all true.  Depending, of course, on exactly what you 
> mean by "entering."

Got me there. 
To me, "entering" music (or text, spreadsheet data or whatsoever) is the act of 
writing notes on empty staves. 
And that's where you have to select accents, articulations, accidentals and 
note values BEFORE pressing the corresponding with the note's name. 

>  Accents and other articulations can be selected along with the note value, 
> and changed as you prefer, before actually placing the note on the page.

Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to. 

> Or you can go back and add articulations later.

That would be "editing", not "entering", right? ;-)

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[Finale] Igor Engrave to re-enter the market?

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Hello!

Am 01.02.2011 um 17:34 schrieb Steve Parker:

> Igor also had an equivalent to speedy which is what I use in Finale with only 
> a laptop keyboard.

I found this …

>>> Due to rumors about NoteHeads circulating on the Internet, we would like to 
>>> make the following statement: The company has been inactive for a couple of 
>>> years, after we saved the software from disappearing due to the canceled 
>>> development in the previous NoteHeads company. 
>>> 
>>> We have an upgrade coming out in the near future (free upgrade for current 
>>> users), together with a new release- and pricing strategy. All owners of 
>>> the current Noteheads company are still onboard and agree on the current 
>>> strategy.

… on the Noteheads's website.
Are they about to re-enter the market again?


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Re: [Finale] MuseScore vs. Finale

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Hello!

Am 01.02.2011 um 15:40 schrieb Steve Parker :

> What prevents me from using it is that it only works in Mac OS9 or the 
> Classic environment so it is dependent on an old mac staying alive.

Or on complete emulation of those. 
I think there's software for that: vMac and SheepShaver.

> That old mac requires a printer that has drivers for OS9.

Any Postscript capable printer should work. 

> There are none so instead it requires a print to pdf kludge that worked 
> erratically, often requiring one sheet at a time and multiple redos.
> I can still make it work but the time taken to get printed output is now 
> longer than the extra time it takes to work in Finale.
> I can send you samples of mine.

OK, I didn't try it that far. 
Didn't have a legit copy of Igor anyway. 

> The big thing it does is that I can grab anything and move it at any point. 
> It treated this sensibly so, for instance, I could grab a note with its stem 
> and not just the stem nor the head.

Sounds a bit like Sibelius. 

> Secondly I can assign shortcuts to any expression or slur or shape or accent 
> etc and enter them whilst entering notes.
> For example: input note, push A for accent, p for piano mark, f for a pause, 
> and d to start a hairpin.
> All without changing tools or modes.

Again like Sibelius. 
But unfortunately, you have to enable the accent in Sibelius before entering 
the note. 

> I know little about it, but get the idea that mode-switching is now 
> considered generally bad for workflow in computer apps.

It it, indeed. 
The problem with modes is that the very same keystroke will produce completely 
different results in different modes.  
This requires the user to permanently be aware of the mode he is working in. 
The non-modal approach, however, requires an inccreasing amount of keyboard 
shortcuts we users have to remember, for all actions can (ideally) be performed 
at any time. 

> Thirdly it had linked parts from the start which had more sensible linkage 
> than Finale has now.
> Fourthly ability to lock anything down no matter what I do around it.
> I can give quite a list.
> I can also give a (smaller for now..) list of things that I prefer about 
> finale. Entering rhythmic values is a big one. 

Ah, the old rhythm problem. 
Does anybody but me remember a program called "MasterScore II"?
For me, it had the most logical method of entering notes and chords with a 
computer keyboard. 
A quarter note a'  would have been entered by typing "a1.4". An eight of the 
same pitch would be typed in "a1.8" -- very easy to remember. 
Lower octaves were accesed by typing "a0", "A0" etc., different metric values 
by adding dots after the 4 or 8 and chords were entered using brackets: 
[a1c1e1]4. produced an a minor chord a dotted quarter long. 

> Running on a mac that is not 7 years old is the biggest!

Hehe …

> Igor will still work on a windows machine. I considered it but changing 
> platform to use dead and unsupported software seemed a whole lot less 
> appetising than switching (back) to Finale.

You could still use it on a virtual machine if it would be of any use. 

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Re: [Finale] MuseScore vs. Finale

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Am 01.02.2011 um 15:35 schrieb David H. Bailey:

> If the examples on the website are very fine and the output you see in the 
> hymnal is poor,

Then the examples on the website are probably not done with the software. :-D


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Re: [Finale] Hours of work lost -

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Am 07.05.2010 um 23:11 schrieb Haroldo Mauro Jr. :


Any hope here?


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Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?

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Hello David!

Am 27.01.2010 um 23:53 schrieb dhbailey >:


You can't buy a modern book without DRM except for some of the  
smaller niche market publishers.


It will be only a short while before the iPad is jailbroken and ePub  
eBooks are ripped off DRM.



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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009/2010 conflicts with Mac standard user accounts

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Hi!

Am 15.01.2010 um 15:57 schrieb Ken Parsons:

I contacted Finale tech. support, who said that "Read and Write"  
permissions on Finale needed to be enabled for all users.


Then Finale is broken.
User Software has to be able to run in user accounts.

We've already lost three class periods to these problems, and can't  
afford any more. I'm going to have to allow students to operate in  
administrator accounts until I get this resolved. If anyone has any  
suggestions regarding either Finale or Mac OS 105.8 (since the  
machines are G5s, I can't run 10.6), I'd appreciate them very much!


Demand the Finale bug causing the problems to be fixed within 2 weeks  
form now.

Otherwise sue them.


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Re: [Finale] Edit Open Recent on a mac

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Am 15.01.2010 um 19:13 schrieb Mark McCarron :

I would like to prune the open recent list of file names. And get  
rid of the names that I will never want to open. Can I do this?


OS 10.4.11 Fin 2010b

Mark McCarron

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Mark McCarron  wrote:


From: Mark McCarron 
Subject: [Finale] Open Recent
To: finale@shsu.edu
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 10:19 AM
I wish I could clear some of the
files from the open recent list. Is there a way to do this?

Mark McCarron


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Re: [Finale] Edit Open Recent on a mac

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Hi!

Am 15.01.2010 um 19:13 schrieb Mark McCarron :


I would like to prune the open recent list of file names.


In the Apple menu or in Finale?

And get rid of the names that I will never want to open. Can I do  
this?


The entries in the system's "open recent" menu are stored in one of  
the property list files ~/Library/Preferences.



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Re: [Finale] TAN: Numeric keypad for Mac

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Hello Christopher!

Am 31.12.2009 um 06:19 schrieb Christopher Smith >:


I got the cheapest one that Future Shop sold, at $19, a generic USB  
numeric keypad. But, I have to remember to hit NumLock every time I  
plug it in (or else the keys don't do what I expect), and it doesn't  
have the / key (for ties in Speedy) nor the clear key that I miss so  
much on my laptop.


You could use Marco Polo (http://www.symonds.id.au/marcopolo/),which  
would detect the keyboard plugged in and "press Numlock" (performed as  
a simple script) for you.


Or you could use Ukelele (http://scripts.sil.org/Ukelele) to create an  
entirely new keyboard layout for you USB number block keyboard,  
featuring all the desired character codes you need.


Good luck!


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Re: [Finale] OT: Virtual Mac OS X

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Hello Robert!

Am 08.11.2009 um 18:53 schrieb Robert Patterson:


The recent comments concerning CocoaBooklet's lack of compatibility
with Snow Leopard got me to wondering if there is a robust virtual
machine solution for Mac OS X.


There are 2 solutions for this, VMware Fusion 3 and Parallels Desktop 4.
But they officially only allow to run Mac OS X Server as guest OS.
This is because Apple only allows virtualization of the server version.

However, there are some hacks to get the desktop version running in a  
VM, but there's no official support for it.



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Re: [Finale] Musescore

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Am 30.10.2009 um 12:07 schrieb Bob Morabito :

MuseScore for Mac OS X is out of beta since the release of MuseScore  
0.9.5 on the August 15th 2009


Thank you for that informatiom, Bob.


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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

[Gerhard Torges]

Am 28.10.2009 um 23:28 schrieb Blake Richardson:


On 10/28/09 1:00 PM, Gerhard Torges  wrote:


Am 26.10.2009 um 05:26 schrieb Noel Stoutenburg:


US law (where--to the best of my knowledge, the CPDL servers are
domiciled)


Unfortunately, the server's location are not of much importance.
Any web site must comply to the law in every country it can be  
accessed.


Well, that's not true. If it were, then the internet would be reduced
whichever country in the world's laws are most restrictive.


No.
You'd just have to make sure everyone sees a version of your service  
that is legal to be offeres at the place of reception.


If I put up a web site critical of China, that's almost certainly  
against

the law in China but perfectly legal protected expression in America.


Ir would be legal in the United States of (north) America.
Not in America as a whole.
Ask Mr. Chavez what he thinks about this. ;-)

Likewise most European countries have laws against displaying,  
glorifying or
selling Nazi symbols and regalia. If I put up a site in America  
adorned with
swastikas (as offensive as that might be) Germany couldn't legally  
force me

to take it down just because it's against the law in Germany.


They can force you to prevent the page being diplayed in Germany.

And that doesn't even touch on all the laws about what can and can't  
be seen

in Muslim countries that no court in America would enforce.


Don't be too sure.

But apart from lacking law enforcement -- do you think it's OK to  
break the law in abroad countries only because they most probably  
won't get you?



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Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1

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Am 30.10.2009 um 20:05 schrieb Johannes Gebauer:


They are everything Engraver slurs should have been, but aren't.


Hmm?


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[Finale] Musescore

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Hi!

Am 29.10.2009 um 11:48 schrieb dhbailey:


He might consider Musescore


Tried that on my Mac a while ago.
Does it do playback by now?


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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

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Am 28.10.2009 um 12:21 schrieb Noel Stoutenburg:

But it's easy if you think for yourself: Whatever you post on your  
server(s), portal(s) or website(s) can usually be accesses from the  
whole world. This is a huge improvement over the old days, but it  
comes with a grain of sand in it: equally improved responsibility.


My understanding, informed by my own research, and by advice from an  
attorney knowledgeable in US intellectual property law, is that as  
with regard to the internet, the law governing what is posted on a  
site is the law of the jurisdiction in which the site is located,  
and that it is the responsibility of any user in a different  
jurisdiction to make certain that any content he accesses or  
downloads is legal in the jurisdiction in which that user is located.



If this is common sense in the US, I begin to believe that the usual  
diclaimers on torrent or warez sites are probably meant seriously.


But it it were globally as you told it, would it then make any sense  
for the RIAA or the MPAA to send Cease-And-desist letters to site  
admins abroad?
Or how could the Nazi Gary Lauck be taken to jail in Germany for  
things he did in the US?

He actually was imprisoned 4 years in Germany.

Regards,


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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

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Am 27.10.2009 um 23:41 schrieb Kim Patrick Clow:


Unfortunately, the server's location are not of much importance.
Any web site must comply to the law in every country it can be  
accessed.


Don't tell that to the Russian hackers that post movies, software,
games, music, and porn routinely :-)


They'll know already.

But law applicability and law enforcement not always go side by side.


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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

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Am 28.10.2009 um 01:51 schrieb Noel Stoutenburg:


Gerhard Torges wrote:


Unfortunately, the server's location are not of much importance.
Any web site must comply to the law in every country it can be  
accessed.


Please, would you be so kind as to provide a citation for this from  
US law, or the US Code of Federal regulations?


My knowledge of US law is very limited, so I can't do that.

Your assertion is at odds with everything else I have seen, and also  
at odds with much of the content of the internet.


That may well be.

But it's easy if you think for yourself: Whatever you post on your  
server(s), portal(s) or website(s) can usually be accesses from the  
whole world. This is a huge improvement over the old days, but it  
comes with a grain of sand in it: equally improved responsibility.


In fact you are offering a service in every country your site can be  
accessed.

And that's the reason why you must obey these laws.

Have you ever tried to watch BBC stuff in the iPlayer whilst being in  
the US?

It doesn't work.
Why?
Because the BBC's servers detect that you're outside the UK and thus  
they aren't allowed to stream it to you. This may sound silly, but as  
a matter of fact, the producers usually license content for a specific  
region only.

So the BBC has to do these checks.
If they didn't, they'd be in court in a couple of days.

Got it now?

Regards,


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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

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Hello Noel!

Am 26.10.2009 um 05:26 schrieb Noel Stoutenburg:

US law (where--to the best of my knowledge, the CPDL servers are  
domiciled)


Unfortunately, the server's location are not of much importance.
Any web site must comply to the law in every country it can be accessed.


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[Finale] P2P dangers

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Hi!

Am 23.10.2009 um 15:20 schrieb A-NO-NE Music:

I used to work for one of the two network switch manufactures who  
can decrypt P2P packets.  You won't believe how dangerous P2P  
packets are.  It's so easy to embed attac-kware in P2P packets, and  
you won't get caught.


First:
Data packets, no matter which, cannot be "dangerous".
They can, however, be built to exploit programming faults in the  
software which receives them. But that's a problem of that software,  
then.


Second:
You will get caught.
Probably not the first time you do it.
But then, since you haven't been caught then, you'll feel safe -- and  
do it again.
And again. And thus, the pattern of your attacks will be recognized,  
and they'll hunt you.

Until they finally get you.


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Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

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Hi Allen,

Am 23.10.2009 um 02:26 schrieb Allen Fisher:


On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Gerhard Torges wrote:


Am 22.10.2009 um 01:29 schrieb Christopher Smith:

It downloaded about a hundred times faster for me next day,  
probably because I had about a hundredth of the peers downloading  
it at the same time as I had the previous day.


Seems like a good candidate for peer-to-peer distribution. ;-)



I suggested this when I worked at MM, but P2P has such a bad  
rap...despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the perception  
of P2P in the world is that it's only good for violating copyright.


Plus, there's no P2P client software bundled with Windows.

On the other hands, speed and builtin integrity checks are both strong  
arguments for P2P.



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Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

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Am 23.10.2009 um 01:37 schrieb David W. Fenton:


Do you really have any conception at all of what's involved in
managing the documentation for an application as complex as Finale?


To keep it short: Yes, I have.


It's not a triviality.


I have been co-authoring and translating software and hardware manuals  
for big and small companies as well as for shareware or freeware  
products for 15 years now. Quite often I was also beta tester for  
these products then.


And my overall experience is:
The more thought-through the concept of the product itself, the more  
clearly is the manual.


Regards,


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Re: [Finale] A naive computer question

[Gerhard Torges]

Am 23.10.2009 um 01:34 schrieb David W. Fenton:


On 23 Oct 2009 at 0:30, Gerhard Torges wrote:


Am 21.10.2009 um 23:24 schrieb David W. Fenton:


I'd recommend that anybody who has a spare $100 acquire a 1TB
external drive. They are just too cheap not to use any more!


And anyone who hasn't could just easily sing up for (another) Google
Mail account and mail the update installer there. ;-)


That's not a very good long-term storage solution.


That is still to be decided.
I have a few files stored that way for easy access wherever I am.
Not much, only about 2 GB, but they're always there since 3 years now.

It's no replacement for a hard drive, it's an additional security layer.


And can your really trust big companies to maintain your data in the
"cloud?" T-Mobile Sidekick users recently discovered that you really
can't.


Correct.
That's why I have 3 copies "up there".


Plus, I am wary of giving any more leverage to Google than they
already have with their search engine monopoly.


I don't think encrypted files on a few free mail accounts with  
randomly chosen names will give them any clue about me. ;-)



Last of all, who wants to wait on the download? Even with high
bandwidth broadband, an external drive is going to be faster --
you'll long ago have finished running the installer before you've
even finished the download from the "cloud."


If you have the drive with you.
And if it's not affected by the virus (crash, malfunction) that caused  
the need for its use.


As I already said, it's a backup solution.
A hard drive is better for sure regarding access times an available  
storage amount, but it has it's shortcomings (vulnerability to local  
threats, to be kept up-to-date manually).


If, for any reason, you can't acces such drive, the GMail account can  
be very helpful.


Regards,


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Re: [Finale] Another naive computer question

[Gerhard Torges]

Am 22.10.2009 um 02:41 schrieb Roger Cain:

Registration requires Administrator Level execution. By default,  
Vista does

not
Afford Administrator Level as a securoty measure.


Why doesn't Finale tell him that right when the problem occurs?
MakeMusic quit obviously knows about this.


Right-click the Finale icon and select "Run as Administrator."


*sigh* Love my Mac ... ;-)


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Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

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Am 22.10.2009 um 01:29 schrieb Christopher Smith:

It downloaded about a hundred times faster for me next day, probably  
because I had about a hundredth of the peers downloading it at the  
same time as I had the previous day.


Seems like a good candidate for peer-to-peer distribution. ;-)


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Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

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Am 22.10.2009 um 01:29 schrieb Christopher Smith:

It downloaded about a hundred times faster for me next day, probably  
because I had about a hundredth of the peers downloading it at the  
same time as I had the previous day.


Seems like a good candidaten for peer-to-peer distribution. ;-)


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Re: [Finale] A naive computer question

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Am 21.10.2009 um 23:24 schrieb David W. Fenton:


I'd recommend that anybody who has a spare $100 acquire a 1TB
external drive. They are just too cheap not to use any more!


And anyone who hasn't could just easily sing up for (another) Google  
Mail account and mail the update installer there. ;-)



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Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

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Am 21.10.2009 um 22:01 schrieb dhbailey:

Now I just hope my mother doesn't find out who wrote all over her  
wall!


Blame David. ;-)


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Re: [Finale] OT: Windows users BEWARE of Sony BMG music CD's!

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Am 11.11.2005 um 02:36 schrieb Robert Patterson:


Today msnbc.com has a front-page article about it.


See here:



Viruses exploit Sony CD anti-piracy scheme
Hackers use copy-protection software to hide in PCs

SAN JOSE, Calif. - A controversial copy-protection program that 
automatically installs when some Sony BMG audio CDs are played on 
personal computers is now being targeted by malicious software that 
exploits the antipiracy technology’s ability to hide files.


The Trojan horse programs — three have so far been identified by 
anti-virus companies — are named so as to trigger the cloaking feature 
of Sony’s XCP2 antipiracy technology, security experts said Thursday.


“This could be the advanced guard,” said Graham Cluley, senior 
technology consultant at the security firm Sophos. “We wouldn’t be 
surprised at all if we saw more malware that exploits what Sony has 
introduced.”


[...]



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Re: [Finale] OT: Windows users BEWARE of Sony BMG music CD's!

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Hi!

Am 11.11.2005 um 02:21 schrieb John Howell:

Sony BMG and their subsidary record labels [1] have released a couple 
of music CDs that contain malicious software claiming to simply be a 
copy protection system called "XPC".

But it's worse.
Far worse.


OK, esteemed computer gurus:  urban legend, spam or confirmed 
terrorism?


The latter.


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[Finale] OT: Windows users BEWARE of Sony BMG music CD's!

[Gerhard Torges, geb. Hölscher]

Hello!

This is heavily offtopic on this list but I couldn't stand to let  
anyone here get into the pitfall which would be even more serious to  
anyone using his/her PC for business.


Sony BMG and their subsidary record labels [1] have released a couple  
of music CDs that contain malicious software claiming to simply be a  
copy protection system called "XPC".

But it's worse.
Far worse.
When one of these CDs is put into the computer's CD or DVD drive, it  
installs software that


- hides itself from the user
- opens backdoors enabling the PC to be controlled from the internet
- submits infos on played CDs (and maybe more) to Sony BMG
- disturbs MP3 playback and iPod filling
- consumes up to 2% CPU time EVEN IF NO CD OR SOUND FILE IS PLAYED
- is not removeable

In my eyes, this is a violent attack against consumer rights worldwide  
and a clear case of computer sabotage.


The EFF has made a list of CD's being affected with this software:

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004144.php

Do NOT put any of these in a Windows PC's drive!

The main EFF article on this issue can be found at:

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004117.php

In-depth technical information on the software by Mark Russinovich who  
discovered it:


	http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital- 
rights.html


Be very careful bying CD's from one of the Sony BMG labels (according  
to http://www.sonybmg.com/labels.html):


   Arista Records
   BMG Classics
   BMG Heritage
   BMG International Companies
   Columbia Records
   Epic Records
   J Records
   Jive Records
   LaFace Records
   Legacy Recordings
   Provident Music Group
   RCA Records
   RCA Victor Group
   RLG - Nashville
   Sony Classical
   Sony Music International
   Sony Music Nashville
   Sony Wonder
   Sony Urban Music
   So So Def Records
   Verity Records

One last beg: SPREAD THIS WARNING!
Pass it over to friends and collegues. If they dont' have email,  
printit out and copy it!


Protecting creative work is one thing, but attacking user's privacy  
like this is not tolerable.


Thanks you all for reading.


Gerhard Torges


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Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius

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Hello Darcy,

Am 14.07.2005 um 08:04 schrieb Darcy James Argue:


14 Clunky text selection for expressions etc.


I assume this is a complaint about our word menu system (where you 
right-click during text input for a useful menu of terms to input 
into the score).  This is actually pretty flexible (e.g. you can 
create your own shortcuts both for text styles and for individual 
text items within those text styles), and Sibelius, for example, has 
*always* been able to mix fonts in text expressions, something which 
I understand Finale has only recently been able to do.


My understanding is Sibelius still does not have any method of 
expression entry that is as fast as Finale's context-sensitive 
metatools.  And as Richard Yates discovered, entering articulations is 
still much faster and more flexible using Finale's metatools.  (Does 
Sibelius have anything to compare with Finale's "drag-enclose notes 
while holding metatool key" method to assign an articulation to 
multiple notes in multiple staves, all in one step?)


Hmm.
Selecting several notes and then hitting "/" on the keypad is not what 
you want?



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Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius

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Hello Tyler,

Am 14.07.2005 um 21:15 schrieb Tyler Turner:


Part of the nice thing about the forum is that the
organization into threads makes it much easier to
browse through and quickly see where your input is
beneficial and skip over the stuff where you aren't needed.


You can get the threaded view using a proper mail client.


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Re: Igor (was [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts)

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Hello!

Am 06.07.2005 um 13:04 schrieb John Abram:


Igor was such a great fledgeling programme.


...


A tragedy it was effectively killed off by the new owners before it
was fully functional...


Did I miss something?
New owners?
Hmm. noteheads.com seems to have vanished.


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Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

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Am 05.07.2005 um 23:20 schrieb Darcy James Argue:


Going over the promo videos for Sib 4, one other thing I notice is that
Sibelius has finally fixed what was one of the most frustrating and
infuriating aspects of its UI back when I was learning to use it -- it
now has an insertion point.


That's also true for Sibelius 3.


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Re: [Finale] Sibelius - Dynamic Parts

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Hi!

Am 05.07.2005 um 21:00 schrieb Darcy James Argue:


I believe you could convert MIDI files to AIFF files using QuickTime
Pro


Yes, you can.


 -- or even (I think) iTunes.


Never tried that.


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