Re: [Finale] Add 3rd Stave to 2 Measures
At 4:50 PM -0400 3/16/12, David H. Bailey wrote: the Ossia tool doesn't work like I think it should which is to simply add a blank measure above the measure you indicate, and allow you to enter what you want in it. Nope, the Ossia tool is one of those black holes of Finale that simply remain because it's easier to leave them than to fix them or remove them. Please forgive me for mentioning this, but the tool works perfectly in Sibelius, like much else. And they do fix problems as they get to them, sometimes very quickly indeed, and are willing to tell you when they are on a priority list or are unlikely to be changed. But of course the original poster didn't necessarily want a smaller staff added, but a 3rd regular sized staff. There was a lot of grumbling (and I was one of the grumblers) when Sibelius 7 came out with a totally new and different user interface, something like Finale's arbitrary changes in its user interface every year. It was just an unexpected shock after being so amazingly consistent over so many years. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Add 3rd Stave to 2 Measures
Hello, Is it possible to add a 3rd staff to two measures of an otherwise 2-staff piano composition? Even when I select the staff needing the 3rd staff, it adds a 3rd staff to the entire composition. In the event that the only way to do this is to add a 3rd staff to the entire piece, how do I delete all the extra staves I don't need? I've tried copying the two 3-staff measures from earlier versions, but it always omits one of the staves when I paste and/or insert the copy. Finale 2012, Dell Latitude D830 XP. Please respond as soon as possible. Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Add 3rd Stave to 2 Measures
On 3/16/2012 4:40 AM, Patricia Spedden wrote: Hello, Is it possible to add a 3rd staff to two measures of an otherwise 2-staff piano composition? Even when I select the staff needing the 3rd staff, it adds a 3rd staff to the entire composition. In the event that the only way to do this is to add a 3rd staff to the entire piece, how do I delete all the extra staves I don't need? I've tried copying the two 3-staff measures from earlier versions, but it always omits one of the staves when I paste and/or insert the copy. What you do is to create the 3rd staff, which Finale will only allow for the entire work. Then you optimize the file and be sure to check the option to remove empty staves. This will remove all the staves except for the sytem (or systems) where you have notes entered on that 3rd staff. Then you use Staff Styles for any empty measures on that remaining staff because they are on the same system or systems which have the 3 measures with music in them. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Add 3rd Stave to 2 Measures
In Finale 2011 and later, optimize is gone. You still will add a third staff to the whole score, and then put your notes in. Then, in the staff tool, select the entire extra staff, right-click (control-click) on the staff's handle, and choose hide empty staves. You will still need to hide the remaining empty measures in the staff with the music using a staff style. David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Add 3rd Stave to 2 Measures
From: David H. Bailey What you do is to create the 3rd staff, which Finale will only allow for the entire work. Then you optimize the file and be sure to check the option to remove empty staves. This will remove all the staves except for the sytem (or systems) where you have notes entered on that 3rd staff. Then you use Staff Styles for any empty measures on that remaining staff because they are on the same system or systems which have the 3 measures with music in them. What about the Ossia tool, isn't this what it's meant for? I had so many problems with it in the early days I've never used since, but you're not going to tell me they haven't fixed it yet are you?? :) Peter ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Add 3rd Stave to 2 Measures
On 3/16/2012 3:37 PM, Peter Taylor wrote: From: David H. Bailey What you do is to create the 3rd staff, which Finale will only allow for the entire work. Then you optimize the file and be sure to check the option to remove empty staves. This will remove all the staves except for the sytem (or systems) where you have notes entered on that 3rd staff. Then you use Staff Styles for any empty measures on that remaining staff because they are on the same system or systems which have the 3 measures with music in them. What about the Ossia tool, isn't this what it's meant for? I had so many problems with it in the early days I've never used since, but you're not going to tell me they haven't fixed it yet are you?? :) I haven't worked with the Ossia tool in forever, either, because people constantly have reported problems with it. I just tried it, and as always, you need to add extra measures to the end of the score to serve as the source for the music which will be in the ossia measures. the Ossia tool doesn't work like I think it should which is to simply add a blank measure above the measure you indicate, and allow you to enter what you want in it. Nope, the Ossia tool is one of those black holes of Finale that simply remain because it's easier to leave them than to fix them or remove them. The answer to the problem is to add the 3rd staff, add the music to the two measures where it's needed, tell the staff tool to hide the empty staves and then use a staff style to hide any empty measures. (I was wrong initially -- they took out the optimize function and moved it to the Staff Tool where it's more clearly labeled hide empty staves.) -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Add 3rd Stave to 2 Measures
Thank you so much for the prompt response to my 3rd staff problem. It worked right away and perfectly. Also appreciate knowing what happened to the optimizing tool and where to find the substitute. Sincerely, Patricia Spedden -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Patricia Spedden Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 4:41 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Add 3rd Stave to 2 Measures Hello, Is it possible to add a 3rd staff to two measures of an otherwise 2-staff piano composition? Even when I select the staff needing the 3rd staff, it adds a 3rd staff to the entire composition. In the event that the only way to do this is to add a 3rd staff to the entire piece, how do I delete all the extra staves I don't need? I've tried copying the two 3-staff measures from earlier versions, but it always omits one of the staves when I paste and/or insert the copy. Finale 2012, Dell Latitude D830 XP. Please respond as soon as possible. Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
