Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
On 22.12.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I'm curious is there a way to change the pitch of A in the playback features for Finale, e.g. to adjust down to 410 ? I believe GPO lets you adjust the pitch. You might have to use a tuning device to check it, since there is no scale. I am not sure whether this will allow for more than one semitone, which would be 415 (actually 415.3) Hz. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
On 22.12.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Exactly, one piece has 3 different flavors of the d'Amore family (oboe, viola, and flute) and it's a bit of nightmare figuring out what was meant, since sometimes the composer wouldn't be very consistent about marking keys or he would write one thing but meant another. Flute d'amore? Where have you seen that? I have never heard of such an instrument, I'd be really intersting to know more. I think the difference between a viola d'amore and an oboe d'amore will be pretty obvious. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
Another option not suggested so far would be to define all of your instruments as transposing (down a semitone though i.e. 415 but not 410 or any other intermediate pitch), viewing them at concert pitch. Of course, you will have to correct the extracted parts individually. However, since synthesised instruments do not behave like real instruments, with an appropriate change in tone colour, is there any real point in this unless you want to play along. Regards, Michael Lawlor mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
On Dec 23, 2006, at 4:12 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Flute d'amore? Where have you seen that? I have never heard of such an instrument, I'd be really intersting to know more. Flute d'amour (It.: flauto d'amore), 18th-c. flute in A, a 3rd below the ordinary flute, nearly extinct now [1964], although it has since been made on occasion with the Boehm system. --Sybil Marcuse, _Musical Instruments: a Comprehensive Dictionary_ _New Grove_ says [T]here seems to be no special repertory for this instrument... Music written at concert pitch could be played on the flute in A by reading it as though written in the French violin clef, ... a procedure recommended by Quantz. According to Terry, _Bach's Orchestra_, there are a few cantatas where Bach takes the flute down to C or B, and which would require this instrument (regular flutes of the time could not play these notes). Interestingly, The _St. Matthew Passion_, Cantata 192, and _Vereinigte Zwietracht_ clearly require what we would now call alto flutes, in (there nontransposing) G. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:42 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: I'm curious is there a way to change the pitch of A in the playback features for Finale, e.g. to adjust down to 410 ? assuming you are using a tuning of 440Hz, adjust all your tempos to 93% of the original (410/440) First off, adjust the playback tempo to be 7.3% (440/410) faster, or 107.3% of the original (BPM x 107.3). Then save an audio file. Then set the playback of the audio file to be 93% of the speed at which it was recorded. Then the pitch will be lower AND the tempo will be the same. Or just playback from inside Finale a semitone lower, which would do largely the same thing (though you would be about 1.2% short, or around 415 instead of 410). Maybe the last 1.2% (5 Hz) could be accomplished by retuning the playback device. This is a different procedure for different devices. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
I think this works only *without* Human Playback. What you can do is using the Midi Tool: - Tools / Advanced Tools / Midi - Midi Tool / Edit Continuous Data - Select Pitch Wheel - Click on the left of all the staves you want to affect (I suggest not the percussion staves) to select all the measures - Midi Tool / Set to - Enter a value (between -8192 and 8191) The lowest value (-8192) sets the Pitchwheel to the left (you may call it the Far West...); usually, your instrument plays an octave lower. You want to set your instrument to A=415 (about a half-tone); -8192 / 12 = -7509. If you enter this value, you should have Finale play like you wish. Perhaps one can make Human Playback integrate this too. I didn't try with GPO. Bernard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
May I rectify? (I think it's time for holiday, I seem rather tired...) Enter -682 to lower the pitch to about A=415... Bernard 2006/12/22, Bernard Nussbaumer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think this works only *without* Human Playback. What you can do is using the Midi Tool: - Tools / Advanced Tools / Midi - Midi Tool / Edit Continuous Data - Select Pitch Wheel - Click on the left of all the staves you want to affect (I suggest not the percussion staves) to select all the measures - Midi Tool / Set to - Enter a value (between -8192 and 8191) The lowest value (-8192) sets the Pitchwheel to the left (you may call it the Far West...); usually, your instrument plays an octave lower. You want to set your instrument to A=415 (about a half-tone); -8192 / 12 = -7509. If you enter this value, you should have Finale play like you wish. Perhaps one can make Human Playback integrate this too. I didn't try with GPO. Bernard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
On 22 Dec 2006 at 9:47, Christopher Smith wrote: On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:42 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: I'm curious is there a way to change the pitch of A in the playback features for Finale, e.g. to adjust down to 410 ? assuming you are using a tuning of 440Hz, adjust all your tempos to 93% of the original (410/440) First off, adjust the playback tempo to be 7.3% (440/410) faster, or 107.3% of the original (BPM x 107.3). Then save an audio file. Then set the playback of the audio file to be 93% of the speed at which it was recorded. Then the pitch will be lower AND the tempo will be the same. Audacity can change pitch and tempo independently (as should be the case for any audio application that can do digital manipulation of a waveform). Or just playback from inside Finale a semitone lower, which would do largely the same thing (though you would be about 1.2% short, or around 415 instead of 410). Maybe the last 1.2% (5 Hz) could be accomplished by retuning the playback device. This is a different procedure for different devices. How do you accomplish playback from inside Finale a semitone lower? I thought Kim's request for A410 was strange, as that's not a recognized historical pitch with which I'm familiar. I know that A415 is not really historical, either (just convenient in an A440-based world), but if he asked for A410, then I think we who are suggesting solutions should be offering solutions to the question he *asked*, not the one we know the answer to! As to those who've suggested transposition in Finale, that's fine as long as there aren't already transposing instruments in the score. C scores are not common in early music (nor should they be), so that's very possibly an issue with the scores he's dealing with. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
On 12/22/06, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Kim's request for A410 was strange, as that's not a recognized historical pitch with which I'm familiar. I know that A415 is not really historical, either (just convenient in an A440-based I just picked that number at random-- although I think I've seen instruments in period instrument recordings use A at that pitch. I was more curious about the process and thought it would be an interesting (for me) exercise. As to those who've suggested transposition in Finale, that's fine as long as there aren't already transposing instruments in the score. C scores are not common in early music (nor should they be), so that's very possibly an issue with the scores he's dealing with. Exactly, one piece has 3 different flavors of the d'Amore family (oboe, viola, and flute) and it's a bit of nightmare figuring out what was meant, since sometimes the composer wouldn't be very consistent about marking keys or he would write one thing but meant another. Thanks for all the wonderful suggestions everybody! Have a great holiday! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
On 22-Dec-06, at 12:51 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Audacity can change pitch and tempo independently (as should be the case for any audio application that can do digital manipulation of a waveform). Yes, but there will always be artifacts, sometimes objectionable ones. My method preserves so called CD sound quality. How do you accomplish playback from inside Finale a semitone lower? A bunch of different ways, but the easiest are the Key Sig tool and the Mass Edit Transpose functions. Since he is probably creating a file to play with, he just has to NOT save the transposed changes to his Finale file after recording his audio file. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
I'm curious is there a way to change the pitch of A in the playback features for Finale, e.g. to adjust down to 410 ? Happy Holidays! Kim Patrick Clow ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
I'm curious is there a way to change the pitch of A in the playback features for Finale, e.g. to adjust down to 410 ? assuming you are using a tuning of 440Hz, adjust all your tempos to 93% of the original (410/440) -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
On 22 Dec 2006 at 3:42, shirling neueweise wrote: [quoting Kim:] I'm curious is there a way to change the pitch of A in the playback features for Finale, e.g. to adjust down to 410 ? assuming you are using a tuning of 440Hz, adjust all your tempos to 93% of the original (410/440) Is this a joke? That would work with a waveform recording of some sort, but not with playback from Finale. What he needs is a way to set the pitch of A. If he's using GPO, I assume there's a way to do that. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuning and Finale A=415?
In a message dated 12/21/2006 7:03:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is this a joke? That would work with a waveform recording of some sort, but not with playback from Finale. David's right of course--this would play back your piece at A=440, but at a tempo slowed by 7%. May I ask what you want A=415 *for*, and why you don't just transpose the music to a lower key? Unless that takes some instruments below their range, that's an awfully easy solution. David Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
