Re: [Finale] Whatever happened to "Optimise"?
Don, sorry for the long rant previously. There is a "fill in rests" (or some such) feature that you can turn off, but that doesn't account for the inadvertent whole rests. I may be entering them without knowing, in some way. But so far, when I finish a score and want to optimize, I select all, do the "hide empty measures" thing, and then go through the score and manual delete delete whatever is there in the empty measure staves that show up. there are usually only a few, but they do mess up the formatting if I don't fix them. Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Whatever happened to "Optimise"?
Hi, Don, It's a mystery why sometimes "hide empty measures" leaves some empty stave showing. It's always because there is *something* in those measures. I assume it is a stray hard whole rest, but it could be something else. My orchestra scores are pretty huge, and in the later finale versions, very cumbersome to deal with. Score Manager is unstable (I use playback to check for errors, and sometimes a staff I have set to trumpet might come out as kazoo or something, requiring me to go into score manager and "fix" it, even though it looks fine. I can't explain that either. The hard rests? Not from importing MIDI (which is one of those "this way lies madness" things I try to avoid. I don't really use MIDI unless I'm writing something that will be recorded and then I generally develop a "tempo map" in MIDI to use with pro tools. But even that has gone south in the newer versions of finale. It used to be that we could import a MIDI file (made from Finale) into ProTools and see all the instruments as graphics and anticipate when to "punch in" or anticipate an entry. I don't record synthesized instruments, only live. But it's nice to be able to see them represented on the screen in ProTools. But the later versions of Finale create MIDI files a) without instrument names, 2) out of score order and b) a slew of extra staves--probably from unused Finale "layers" It used to be really simple. Now it's complicated and it doesn't work. That, plus a dozen other things about the newer versions are NOT improvements in my book. I have the same quarrel with a lot of software. Why do new versions give commands and tools a different name from the last version (like optimize vs. hide empty measures) and scatter the tools into unfamiliar menu lists, and why make the graphics of the speedy windows "sexier" and harder to read? It used to be that added elements were great, and showed that the Finale folks were listening to the users. But like some other programs (MS Word comes to mind) it has gotten so complex, even in fairly simple use, that it's mind boggling. Again, I'm complaining about something that has changed my life by freeing me from the pen/pencil and paper thing. But it's a mystery why the people who sit around thinking up ways to make the software better (code for being able to sell a new version when the old one still work, maybe?) think we want to relearn programs we are used to and love. End of rant. BTW I use simple entry, using a menthol I've developed over the years I use Speedy for some "moves" bu Speedy just never "spoke" to me, though I have many friends and colleagues who swear by it. Thanks for listening. Complaints are boring to hear, but sometimes... Linda ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Whatever happened to "Optimise"?
Sorry Linda--I missed your explanation of where these whole rests are coming from. The inadvertent entries I understand, but I haven't had any trouble with Finale-generated whole rests. Is it a feature you can turn off? Can you elaborate? - Don On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Don Hart wrote: > Hi Linda, > > In speedy or simple note entry one has to enter real whole rests on > purpose, in lieu of the default whole rests that show in empty measures, so > it's always seemed to me an efficient way to keep from hiding a staff. If > I recall correctly, that was also the method used to preserve staves when > optimizing. > > I'm curious how these hard rests are getting in your scores--is it via > importing midi or some such preliminary format? > > Best, > > Don > > On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Linda Worsley wrote: > >> Optimize is now "hide empty measures" and it's found in the menu bar under >> "staff" (with the staff tool in use) at the bottom of the list. You muse >> select the range of measures hyou want... um... optimized... and it will >> hide the empty measures. It won't hide any empty measures containing >> "hard" whole rests, and sometimes I've had to go through and delete those >> that have been put there either inadvertently or with some new "helpful" >> feature of Fiknale. >> >> Finale just can't let well enough alone. I have become more frustrated >> with each new version... I've been using Finale since version zero point >> zero in the eighties, and for awhile, each version made beautiful, >> intuitive changes. But not lately. Finale 2014 for mac is a nightmare in >> so many ways. But it's still better than slogging through making >> handwritten scores, so... >> >> Linda Worsley >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> > > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Whatever happened to "Optimise"?
Hi Linda, In speedy or simple note entry one has to enter real whole rests on purpose, in lieu of the default whole rests that show in empty measures, so it's always seemed to me an efficient way to keep from hiding a staff. If I recall correctly, that was also the method used to preserve staves when optimizing. I'm curious how these hard rests are getting in your scores--is it via importing midi or some such preliminary format? Best, Don On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Linda Worsley wrote: > Optimize is now "hide empty measures" and it's found in the menu bar under > "staff" (with the staff tool in use) at the bottom of the list. You muse > select the range of measures hyou want... um... optimized... and it will > hide the empty measures. It won't hide any empty measures containing > "hard" whole rests, and sometimes I've had to go through and delete those > that have been put there either inadvertently or with some new "helpful" > feature of Fiknale. > > Finale just can't let well enough alone. I have become more frustrated > with each new version... I've been using Finale since version zero point > zero in the eighties, and for awhile, each version made beautiful, > intuitive changes. But not lately. Finale 2014 for mac is a nightmare in > so many ways. But it's still better than slogging through making > handwritten scores, so... > > Linda Worsley > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Whatever happened to "Optimise"?
Optimize is now "hide empty measures" and it's found in the menu bar under "staff" (with the staff tool in use) at the bottom of the list. You muse select the range of measures hyou want... um... optimized... and it will hide the empty measures. It won't hide any empty measures containing "hard" whole rests, and sometimes I've had to go through and delete those that have been put there either inadvertently or with some new "helpful" feature of Fiknale. Finale just can't let well enough alone. I have become more frustrated with each new version... I've been using Finale since version zero point zero in the eighties, and for awhile, each version made beautiful, intuitive changes. But not lately. Finale 2014 for mac is a nightmare in so many ways. But it's still better than slogging through making handwritten scores, so... Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Whatever happened to "Optimise"?
"David H. Bailey" wrote in reply to my question: >> Have I missed a >> renamed equivalent in 2014? I tried the Index on "optimise" and "hide". > It's called "Hide Empty Staves" and it's at the bottom of the Staff tool > menu. Select the Staff tool, then highlight either the entire score or > just the section where you want to optimize (hide the empty staves) and > under the Staff Menu the words will be black and selectable. Just below > it is the option to Show Empty Staves. Thank you very much, David. > Don't rely on the index in the help file -- unless you already know the > Finale terms and how the editor chose to index things it won't help. > Try searching under "Empty Staves" to see if anything shows up. This takes me right back to my first efforts with Finale (version 2.5 I think it was called, way back in 1994!). At that point I had never even used Windows before, so had no appropriate vocabulary at all for looking things up! Finding the Finale mailing list was wonderful, especially as (still the case) I could ask a question just before going to bed in England and often catch a kind U.S. expert who would have an answer waiting for me by breakfast time. :) After all those years with earlier versions of Finale I have got better at guessing what might be useful search terms, but the 2000-2014 gap is proving a serious challenge. Thanks again. Patsy -- Patsy Moore: pa...@mooremusic.org.uk www.da-capo.org.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Whatever happened to "Optimise"?
On 5/29/2015 3:53 PM, Patsy Moore wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I've found out how to hide a single empty staff, but not found an > equivalent of the 2000 "optimise" which would hide all the empty staves in > however many systems of a score I chose, with one command. Have I missed a > renamed equivalent in 2014? I tried the Index on "optimise" and "hide". > > I've just been looking at a lot of complicated stuff about Group > Attributes, but I haven't been using groups and don't feel the need for > most of the scores I'm creating. Quite often I'm transcribing music > originally written for voices, or perhaps for piano, and simply have > numbered parts which get allocated to whichever instrument(s) / player(s) > from my current bizarre line-up happen to fit best (adult learners, no > minimum standard and few limits on numbers of a particular instrument). > It's called "Hide Empty Staves" and it's at the bottom of the Staff tool menu. Select the Staff tool, then highlight either the entire score or just the section where you want to optimize (hide the empty staves) and under the Staff Menu the words will be black and selectable. Just below it is the option to Show Empty Staves. Don't rely on the index in the help file -- unless you already know the Finale terms and how the editor chose to index things it won't help. Try searching under "Empty Staves" to see if anything shows up. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Whatever happened to "Optimise"?
It's called "hide empty staves" - not able to check exactly where it is at the moment. Cheers, Lawrence On 29 May 2015 at 20:53, Patsy Moore wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I've found out how to hide a single empty staff, but not found an > equivalent of the 2000 "optimise" which would hide all the empty staves in > however many systems of a score I chose, with one command. Have I missed a > renamed equivalent in 2014? I tried the Index on "optimise" and "hide". > > I've just been looking at a lot of complicated stuff about Group > Attributes, but I haven't been using groups and don't feel the need for > most of the scores I'm creating. Quite often I'm transcribing music > originally written for voices, or perhaps for piano, and simply have > numbered parts which get allocated to whichever instrument(s) / player(s) > from my current bizarre line-up happen to fit best (adult learners, no > minimum standard and few limits on numbers of a particular instrument). > > The present 38 players are: > 6 flutes (1 double pic and also, another bass flute), 3 oboes (1 doubling > cor A.), 7 clarinets (1 doubling A & T saxes, another Bass Cl.), 3 more A > Saxes (1 doubling T), 1 bassoon, 1 French horn, 1 tenor trombone, 8 > violins, 4 violas, 4 cellos. The most elementary is probably in her 50s, > started learning violin last September as her first ever instrument, with > no previous musical experience. > > Greetings from England, > > Patsy > > -- > Patsy Moore: pa...@mooremusic.org.uk > www.da-capo.org.uk > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Whatever happened to "Optimise"?
Hello Listers, I've found out how to hide a single empty staff, but not found an equivalent of the 2000 "optimise" which would hide all the empty staves in however many systems of a score I chose, with one command. Have I missed a renamed equivalent in 2014? I tried the Index on "optimise" and "hide". I've just been looking at a lot of complicated stuff about Group Attributes, but I haven't been using groups and don't feel the need for most of the scores I'm creating. Quite often I'm transcribing music originally written for voices, or perhaps for piano, and simply have numbered parts which get allocated to whichever instrument(s) / player(s) from my current bizarre line-up happen to fit best (adult learners, no minimum standard and few limits on numbers of a particular instrument). The present 38 players are: 6 flutes (1 double pic and also, another bass flute), 3 oboes (1 doubling cor A.), 7 clarinets (1 doubling A & T saxes, another Bass Cl.), 3 more A Saxes (1 doubling T), 1 bassoon, 1 French horn, 1 tenor trombone, 8 violins, 4 violas, 4 cellos. The most elementary is probably in her 50s, started learning violin last September as her first ever instrument, with no previous musical experience. Greetings from England, Patsy -- Patsy Moore: pa...@mooremusic.org.uk www.da-capo.org.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
