Re: [Finale] orchestra show of power? or justified deadline?

[Raymond Horton]

Great!
On Jun 9, 2015 2:13 PM, "SN jef chippewa" 
wrote:

>
> hey raymond, they accepted a compromise date and that i will provide
> the more difficult parts first.  so all seems to be working out.
>
>
> At 22:13 + 6/3/15, Raymond Horton wrote:
> >It's reasonable, but moving the deadline up is the problem. If it is
> >a difficulty, ask if you can get string and percussion parts to them
> >by deadline, the rest later.
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Re: [Finale] orchestra show of power? or justified deadline?

[SN jef chippewa]

hey raymond, they accepted a compromise date and that i will provide 
the more difficult parts first.  so all seems to be working out.


At 22:13 + 6/3/15, Raymond Horton wrote:
>It's reasonable, but moving the deadline up is the problem. If it is 
>a difficulty, ask if you can get string and percussion parts to them 
>by deadline, the rest later.

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Re: [Finale] orchestra show of power? or justified deadline?

[SN jef chippewa]

hi jim, they would have had to move the date back 
further than the last day before their vacation 
for thenm to get it out of the way before the 
vacation ;-)

no explanation, just a new deadline!


>I would think this is a reasonable request to 
>get the string parts to the concertmaster and 
>principles before their vacation starts for 
>bowings and part assignments (for wind played 
>and percussionists, etc.). I have had to deal 
>with this for shows that are early in the 
>season, so that the principles could truly enjoy 
>their vacation without any work load.
>
>This is just my opinion and experience though, 
>since I don¹t know about your exact situation. 
>Has the librarian or admin. staff offered any 
>explanation?

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Re: [Finale] orchestra show of power? or justified deadline?

[SN jef chippewa]

hey robert, thanks.

the sudden change in the deadline was what put me off the most.

fair enough what you say, suppose that could make sense, but i also 
suppose they know well ahead of time what their vacation dates are... 
i doubt they change much year to year.  i know the festival they play 
in doesn't change dates, so they should have been able to 
back-calculate.

it is also the SWR orchestra, so even though it is "normal" for the 
kinds of things i work on, this group is quite used to it.  so it 
should be considered a "normal" job for them, right? 8-)


At 13:36 -0500 6/3/15, Robert Patterson wrote:
>In my orchestra, the musicians have to have access to the parts at 
>least a month ahead of time. Working back from there, the librarian 
>has to have enough time for:
>
>1. The concertmaster to decide on the bowings for Vln 1
>2. The other principal strings to bow their parts based on step#1.
>3. The librarian to copy the bowings to all the other copies of the parts.
>
>Each step depends on the previous. I'd say that Aug 15 was cutting 
>it quite close. Given what I know your work is usually like, they 
>may be wanting to have the part available for the musicians as soon 
>as they come back from break. The means steps 1, 2, & 3 will 
>probably take place during the orchestra's vacation.

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Re: [Finale] orchestra show of power? or justified deadline?

[Raymond Horton]

It's reasonable, but moving the deadline up is the problem. If it is a
difficulty, ask if you can get string and percussion parts to them by
deadline, the rest later.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015, 2:42 PM Jim Gray  wrote:

> Hi Jef,
>
> I would think this is a reasonable request to get the string parts to the
> concertmaster and principles before their vacation starts for bowings and
> part assignments (for wind played and percussionists, etc.). I have had to
> deal with this for shows that are early in the season, so that the
> principles could truly enjoy their vacation without any work load.
>
> This is just my opinion and experience though, since I don’t know about
> your exact situation. Has the librarian or admin. staff offered any
> explanation?
>
>
> Jim Gray
> Cubby's Music
> 200 Cavalcade Circle
> Franklin, TN 37069-1816
> 615.300.0835
> www.CubbysMusic.com
>
> > On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> >
> > Hi jef,
> >
> > I will forward this to Greg Hamilton, who know a thing or two about this
> kind of issue.  He is on the list, but I will make sure he sees it.  He is
> in contact with a number of orchestra librarians.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:29 AM, SN jef chippewa <
> shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> hey some of you work in orchestras, maybe someone knows what is with
> >> this idea of demanding the composer to have the parts ready for a
> >> date which happens to coincide with the start of the orchestra's
> >> vacation time?
> >>
> >> the deadline for delivery of materials for a contract i am going to
> >> be working on in july just had its deadline moved ahead 2 weeks from
> >> what was agreed to and signed in the composer's contract.
> >>
> >> this is not the first time i have seen such deadlines.  is it that
> >> the librarians don't go on vacation and prepare the parts for the
> >> musicians who are on vacation?  i can't see any justification for
> >> this request, and as we know, few composers have any real power to
> >> stand up to the orchestral monster.
> >>
> >> the original deadline was 15 august for an early october performance.
> >> now they are demanding to have the parts before their vacation period
> >> starts, whcih would mean materials lying on someone's desk as of 31
> >> july.
> >>
> >> yeah.
> >>
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Re: [Finale] orchestra show of power? or justified deadline?

[Jim Gray]

Hi Jef,

I would think this is a reasonable request to get the string parts to the 
concertmaster and principles before their vacation starts for bowings and part 
assignments (for wind played and percussionists, etc.). I have had to deal with 
this for shows that are early in the season, so that the principles could truly 
enjoy their vacation without any work load.

This is just my opinion and experience though, since I don’t know about your 
exact situation. Has the librarian or admin. staff offered any explanation?


Jim Gray
Cubby's Music
200 Cavalcade Circle
Franklin, TN 37069-1816
615.300.0835
www.CubbysMusic.com

> On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> Hi jef,
> 
> I will forward this to Greg Hamilton, who know a thing or two about this kind 
> of issue.  He is on the list, but I will make sure he sees it.  He is in 
> contact with a number of orchestra librarians.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:29 AM, SN jef chippewa  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> hey some of you work in orchestras, maybe someone knows what is with 
>> this idea of demanding the composer to have the parts ready for a 
>> date which happens to coincide with the start of the orchestra's 
>> vacation time?
>> 
>> the deadline for delivery of materials for a contract i am going to 
>> be working on in july just had its deadline moved ahead 2 weeks from 
>> what was agreed to and signed in the composer's contract.
>> 
>> this is not the first time i have seen such deadlines.  is it that 
>> the librarians don't go on vacation and prepare the parts for the 
>> musicians who are on vacation?  i can't see any justification for 
>> this request, and as we know, few composers have any real power to 
>> stand up to the orchestral monster.
>> 
>> the original deadline was 15 august for an early october performance. 
>> now they are demanding to have the parts before their vacation period 
>> starts, whcih would mean materials lying on someone's desk as of 31 
>> july.
>> 
>> yeah.
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation
>> http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts
>> 
>> shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com
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Re: [Finale] orchestra show of power? or justified deadline?

[Robert Patterson]

In my orchestra, the musicians have to have access to the parts at least a
month ahead of time. Working back from there, the librarian has to have
enough time for:

1. The concertmaster to decide on the bowings for Vln 1
2. The other principal strings to bow their parts based on step#1.
3. The librarian to copy the bowings to all the other copies of the parts.

Each step depends on the previous. I'd say that Aug 15 was cutting it quite
close. Given what I know your work is usually like, they may be wanting to
have the part available for the musicians as soon as they come back from
break. The means steps 1, 2, & 3 will probably take place during the
orchestra's vacation.


On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:29 PM, SN jef chippewa <
shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote:

>
> hey some of you work in orchestras, maybe someone knows what is with
> this idea of demanding the composer to have the parts ready for a
> date which happens to coincide with the start of the orchestra's
> vacation time?
>
> the deadline for delivery of materials for a contract i am going to
> be working on in july just had its deadline moved ahead 2 weeks from
> what was agreed to and signed in the composer's contract.
>
> this is not the first time i have seen such deadlines.  is it that
> the librarians don't go on vacation and prepare the parts for the
> musicians who are on vacation?  i can't see any justification for
> this request, and as we know, few composers have any real power to
> stand up to the orchestral monster.
>
> the original deadline was 15 august for an early october performance.
> now they are demanding to have the parts before their vacation period
> starts, whcih would mean materials lying on someone's desk as of 31
> july.
>
> yeah.
>
> --
>
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>
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Re: [Finale] orchestra show of power? or justified deadline?

[Chuck Israels]

Hi jef,

I will forward this to Greg Hamilton, who know a thing or two about this kind 
of issue.  He is on the list, but I will make sure he sees it.  He is in 
contact with a number of orchestra librarians.

Chuck


> On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:29 AM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> hey some of you work in orchestras, maybe someone knows what is with 
> this idea of demanding the composer to have the parts ready for a 
> date which happens to coincide with the start of the orchestra's 
> vacation time?
> 
> the deadline for delivery of materials for a contract i am going to 
> be working on in july just had its deadline moved ahead 2 weeks from 
> what was agreed to and signed in the composer's contract.
> 
> this is not the first time i have seen such deadlines.  is it that 
> the librarians don't go on vacation and prepare the parts for the 
> musicians who are on vacation?  i can't see any justification for 
> this request, and as we know, few composers have any real power to 
> stand up to the orchestral monster.
> 
> the original deadline was 15 august for an early october performance. 
> now they are demanding to have the parts before their vacation period 
> starts, whcih would mean materials lying on someone's desk as of 31 
> july.
> 
> yeah.
> 
> -- 
> 
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> 
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[Finale] orchestra show of power? or justified deadline?

[SN jef chippewa]

hey some of you work in orchestras, maybe someone knows what is with 
this idea of demanding the composer to have the parts ready for a 
date which happens to coincide with the start of the orchestra's 
vacation time?

the deadline for delivery of materials for a contract i am going to 
be working on in july just had its deadline moved ahead 2 weeks from 
what was agreed to and signed in the composer's contract.

this is not the first time i have seen such deadlines.  is it that 
the librarians don't go on vacation and prepare the parts for the 
musicians who are on vacation?  i can't see any justification for 
this request, and as we know, few composers have any real power to 
stand up to the orchestral monster.

the original deadline was 15 august for an early october performance. 
now they are demanding to have the parts before their vacation period 
starts, whcih would mean materials lying on someone's desk as of 31 
july.

yeah.

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