Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8 or 12/8
I actually find the stacked up rests can be useful on occasions, especially in older music. I've had two examples of this this week when the number indicating the number of rests was unclear - I very quickly looked at the stacked rests to work out that the unclear number was an 8, not a 6, and that it was a 2 not a 7. This was sight-reading some Baroque music from old parts. I agree that in modern printed copies were numbers are clear, they aren't really necessary. Cheers, Lawrence On 14 May 2010 16:57, John Howell wrote: > At 11:24 AM +0200 5/14/10, dc wrote: > >> >> And what's the kosher whole measure rest in 6/8 and 16/8? >> > > As far as I know a regular whole rest is ALWAYS the default for a full > measure rest no matter what the meter. > > The only exception I can think of is the old fashioned and thankfully > obsolete stacking up of rests of various shapes in multi-rests, which > originated in 13th century Franconian notation (the first notation to give > metric value to breath marks), and hung on MUCH too long! Those of us > involved in early music have to be able to read them. The rest of us should > not. > > John > -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8 or 12/8
At 11:24 AM +0200 5/14/10, dc wrote: And what's the kosher whole measure rest in 6/8 and 16/8? As far as I know a regular whole rest is ALWAYS the default for a full measure rest no matter what the meter. The only exception I can think of is the old fashioned and thankfully obsolete stacking up of rests of various shapes in multi-rests, which originated in 13th century Franconian notation (the first notation to give metric value to breath marks), and hung on MUCH too long! Those of us involved in early music have to be able to read them. The rest of us should not. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8 or 12/8
Christopher responded to Dennis (dc) who wrote, in part: I'm transcribing an 18th century edition that systematically avoids using quarter rests in 6/8 or 12/8 - including on the beat, when there's only one eighth on the last part of the beat preceded by two eighth rests. by citing Ross' advocacy of quarter rest eighth note. But I'm wondering if, in the specific circumstance (a work from the late Baroque) that Dennis is dealing with, Ross' recommendation ought to govern. For that matter for that matter as I recall, Ross does not explain the the reasons he makes the recommendation that he does. In some cases--subdivided rhythms in another voice, is one example I can think of, two eighth rests might be preferable because they help to visually clarify the subdivisions of the music. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8 or 12/8
On Fri May 14, at FridayMay 14 5:24 AM, dc wrote: Christopher Smith écrit: In fact, Ross specifically uses this as an example of what NOT to do in 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8. He says quarter rest, eighth note on the same beat in all compound meters EXCEPT 3/8. But never eighth note, quarter rest on the same beat! He also says to use dotted quarter rests and dotted half rests in 9/8 and 12/8 time, as they clarify the beat, but not in 6/8. 3rd edition, pp 179-181. Many thanks, Christopher. Now, does anyone know of an easy way to convert all pairs of two eighth rests on the beat into quarter rests? I see that TGTools has a plug-in that seems to do the reverse... And what's the kosher whole measure rest in 6/8 and 16/8? Dennis Just a whole rest is a correct full measure rest in all meters, except in 4/2 and 8/4 (and one would assume 16/8, but Ross doesn't mention it specifically) which use a breve. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] rests in 6/8 or 12/8
In fact, Ross specifically uses this as an example of what NOT to do in 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8. He says quarter rest, eighth note on the same beat in all compound meters EXCEPT 3/8. But never eighth note, quarter rest on the same beat! He also says to use dotted quarter rests and dotted half rests in 9/8 and 12/8 time, as they clarify the beat, but not in 6/8. 3rd edition, pp 179-181. Christopher On Fri May 14, at FridayMay 14 2:44 AM, dc wrote: I'm transcribing an 18th century edition that systematically avoids using quarter rests in 6/8 or 12/8 - including on the beat, when there's only one eighth on the last part of the beat preceded by two eighth rests. I know this is the rule Ted Ross (and others) give for 3/8. But does it make sense to follow it and follow the source here in 12/8? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
