Re: [Finale] pdf/Mac

[Mark D Lew]

Neal Gittleman wrote:
Hal asked about "corruption errors" in Mac-created PDFs read (or  
not read) by PC-users.  [...]


I missed the beginning of this discussion, so maybe this has been  
covered, but here's my data point for what it's worth.


I have a client I've been working with for ages.  I never used to  
have trouble sending PDFs to her, but after making two simultaneous  
upgrades -- Mac OS X.3 to X.4 and Finale 2k2 to 2k4 -- she couldn't  
read my PDFs.  She could open the file, but the embedded font  
information was lost, so that it looked like music staves with  
gibberish on them.


I was able to solve the problem by choosing "Save as PDF-X" instead  
of "Save as PDF" in Apple's print window.  I don't even know what a  
PDF-X is, but it worked for us. (It also solved the problem if I  
didn't choose "Save as PDF" at all but instead printed to Adobe's PDF  
driver, but that's not available for those who haven't purchased Adobe.)


She was reading the files on Adobe Reader 5.0, by the way.  She is  
mildly technophobic, so persuading her to upgrade was not my first  
choice if I could solve the problem on my end.


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Re: [Finale] pdf/Mac

[dhbailey]

Neal Gittleman wrote:
Hal asked about "corruption errors" in Mac-created PDFs read (or not 
read) by PC-users.  Is there a chance that he's sending the files as 
e-mail attachments and didn't check "Send Windows Friendly 
Attachments"?  If so, may the PDFs could be fine but getting garbled 
somehow at the e-mail border?


While Neal's suggestion may be the solution to Hal's problems, there may 
be other issues.


I believe there are some inherent problems with sending PDF files as 
attachments.


As the director of a community band, I frequently send out PDF files of 
printouts of schedules and such, so they remain easy to read and 
formatted to fit on a single page (as opposed to simply pasting the text 
into an e-mail message and letting the members fend for themselves on 
legibility issues).


I send the same file as an attachment to everybody on the e-mail list 
for the band and there are 3 or 4 who get nothing but garbage in the 
body of the e-mail and no attachment, yet the other 80 get it just fine 
as an intact PDF file.


When I zip the file and send it, everybody gets it just fine.

Sort of like years ago when folks couldn't send .mus finale files to 
anybody where the message either originated or terminated at AOL.


Perhaps this is the problem?  Either the e-mail server the recipient 
uses or the e-mail client isn't properly handling PDF attachments.



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Re: [Finale] pdf/Mac

[Neal Gittleman]

Hal asked about "corruption errors" in Mac-created PDFs read (or not  
read) by PC-users.  Is there a chance that he's sending the files as  
e-mail attachments and didn't check "Send Windows Friendly  
Attachments"?  If so, may the PDFs could be fine but getting garbled  
somehow at the e-mail border?


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Re: [Finale] pdf/Mac

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 02.03.2007 Richard Willis wrote:

Has anyone tried version 8?  Seems to work for me



Yes, but can  you tell me how to tell it to always open with the window 
maximized? On Mac that is.


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Re: [Finale] pdf/Mac

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 02.03.2007 Harold Owen wrote:

Do any of you know of a PDF creation utility other than Acrobat Distiller that 
will run on a Mac?


I use PStill as well as Acrobat. It does require some knowledge, and I 
have had fonts which won't work with it, but it does produce high 
quality, small size PDFs. You can tell it which PDF version to distill.


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Re: [Finale] pdf/Mac

[Eric Dannewitz]

David W. Fenton wrote:

On 1 Mar 2007 at 19:27, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

  

First, why do this people have old versions of Acrobat reader? I mean,
it is FREE



Because some later versions suck. Acrobat 6 rendered better onscreen 
(with the smooth lines setting) than Acrobat 7. On the other hand, 7 
is much faster. I have considered reverting to 6 to get better 
rendering, but the speed was really poor.


One basic principle is that newer software is simply not always 
better, and there are very good reasons for not upgrading.
  
True, but Acrobat seems to get better with every version. I never used 
version 7, but I used 6, and the current version, 8, is quite a bit 
faster on Mac OS X than Preview


Would you really say that Finale 2007, despite its wonderful new 
features, is a problem-free upgrade from 2006? Would you really say 
that people should definitely upgrade, given that 2006 works and in 
many respects 2007 doesn't?
  
I would say that I would recommend people upgrade to 2007. The parts 
feature alone has saved me a ton of time.
Blaming it on the users is completely unfair. One has to live with 
these kinds of problems because there are perfect good and valid 
reasons for sticking with older software
Um. Ok. Not. Other than people with newer versions of the software 
cannot send stuff to you reliably. Case in point, Finale. You can't save 
in an older version format. You have to use Midi, or that XML program. 
Who wants to do that?

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RE: [Finale] pdf/Mac

[Richard Willis]

Has anyone tried version 8?  Seems to work for me

Richard 

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On 1 Mar 2007 at 19:27, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

> First, why do this people have old versions of Acrobat reader? I mean, 
> it is FREE

Because some later versions suck. Acrobat 6 rendered better onscreen (with
the smooth lines setting) than Acrobat 7. On the other hand, 7 is much
faster. I have considered reverting to 6 to get better rendering, but the
speed was really poor.

One basic principle is that newer software is simply not always better, and
there are very good reasons for not upgrading.

Would you really say that Finale 2007, despite its wonderful new features,
is a problem-free upgrade from 2006? Would you really say that people should
definitely upgrade, given that 2006 works and in many respects 2007 doesn't?

Blaming it on the users is completely unfair. One has to live with these
kinds of problems because there are perfect good and valid reasons for
sticking with older software.

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Re: [Finale] pdf/Mac

[David W. Fenton]

On 1 Mar 2007 at 19:27, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

> First, why do this people have old versions of Acrobat reader? I mean,
> it is FREE

Because some later versions suck. Acrobat 6 rendered better onscreen 
(with the smooth lines setting) than Acrobat 7. On the other hand, 7 
is much faster. I have considered reverting to 6 to get better 
rendering, but the speed was really poor.

One basic principle is that newer software is simply not always 
better, and there are very good reasons for not upgrading.

Would you really say that Finale 2007, despite its wonderful new 
features, is a problem-free upgrade from 2006? Would you really say 
that people should definitely upgrade, given that 2006 works and in 
many respects 2007 doesn't?

Blaming it on the users is completely unfair. One has to live with 
these kinds of problems because there are perfect good and valid 
reasons for sticking with older software.

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Re: [Finale] pdf/Mac

[Eric Dannewitz]

First, why do this people have old versions of Acrobat reader? I mean, 
it is FREE


Second, it really depends on the email/web program they use. Sometimes, 
if you try to load a PDF in Firefox, it will say it is corrupt, but then 
hit reload, and it will be fine. Windows.go figure. It's generally 
better to tell them up front that they need to save things to disk 
before trying to open them.


Third, there are other programs that make PDFs
http://www.versiontracker.com/php/search.php?mode=basic&action=search&str=pdf&srchArea=mac%7Cosx&x=0&y=0

Fourth, you might want to upgrade to 10.4. I have an old G3 iMac that 
runs 10.4.8 just fine


Harold Owen wrote:

Hello folks.

I'm on an iMac running System 10.3.9 and I've been using the built-in 
print utility to create PDFs, but I've found that although most people 
have been able to open the PDFs I've sent, a number of people on 
Windows machines tell me they can't open them - they get "corruption" 
errors, and I know the files are not corrupted. I also know that 
sometimes the problem is that these people have old versions of 
Acrobat Reader. Do any of you know of a PDF creation utility other 
than Acrobat Distiller that will run on a Mac?


Thanks

Hal Owen


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Re: [Finale] pdf/Mac

[Harold Owen]

Hello folks.

I'm on an iMac running System 10.3.9 and I've been using the built-in 
print utility to create PDFs, but I've found that although most 
people have been able to open the PDFs I've sent, a number of people 
on Windows machines tell me they can't open them - they get 
"corruption" errors, and I know the files are not corrupted. I also 
know that sometimes the problem is that these people have old 
versions of Acrobat Reader. Do any of you know of a PDF creation 
utility other than Acrobat Distiller that will run on a Mac?


Thanks

Hal Owen
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Re: [Finale] PDF mac pc

[Aaron Sherber]

At 03:31 PM 3/3/2006, Mark D Lew wrote:
>I'm way out of date on Finale vesions, but doesn't current WinFin have
>the "create PostScript file" function?

Compile PostScript listing, yes.

> You can make a PS file on the
>PC, send that to the Mac, then convert the PS to PDF in Preview.

I don't think the original poster was clear whether the target 
machine was Mac or Win, but if it's Mac than I guess this would work.


Aaron.

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Re: [Finale] PDF mac pc

[Mark D Lew]

On Mar 3, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote:

[answering an earlier query]

Well, it *is* possible to print to a PDF -- but it's not built into 
the operating system the way it is on a Mac. There are plenty of 
third-party printer drivers that let you print to a PDF. [...]


I'm way out of date on Finale vesions, but doesn't current WinFin have 
the "create PostScript file" function?  You can make a PS file on the 
PC, send that to the Mac, then convert the PS to PDF in Preview.


mdl

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Re: [Finale] PDF mac pc

[Aaron Sherber]

At 11:14 AM 3/3/2006, bbarros wrote:
>I have Finale on a  PC, and I want to print a page
>(I don't have a printer at home)
>in another computer without Finale installed.
>
>And it is not possible to "print as PDF" like in a mac.
>What can I do?

Well, it *is* possible to print to a PDF -- but it's not built into 
the operating system the way it is on a Mac. There are plenty of 
third-party printer drivers that let you print to a PDF.


Another option is to download the free Finale Notepad from 
. This application has 
very limited editing capabilities, but it open and print any document 
created in Finale or other Makemusic notation tool.


A final option, since you're just asking about a single page, is to 
use Finale to export that page as a high-res TIF. Select the Graphics 
tool, then do Graphics | Export Pages. Select TIFF as the type, and 
be sure to choose a TIFF resolution which is at least as high as your 
printer's resolution.


(You can also export a page as EPS. However (a) that feature is at 
best unreliable in all Windows versions of Finale earlier than 2006c, 
and (b) this requires some application on the target machine which 
can open and print EPS files. TIF should serve your purposes for 
this, and most computers have some imaging program that can print TIFs.)


Hope this helps.

Aaron.

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Re: [Finale] PDF mac pc

[dhbailey]

bbarros wrote:

Hi,

I have Finale on a  PC, and I want to print a page
(I don't have a printer at home)
in another computer without Finale installed.

And it is not possible to "print as PDF" like in a mac.
What can I do?



install a free pdf-creator such as PDF995 (it costs $9.95US if you don't 
want ads to pop up) on your PC, then in Finale go to File/Print and 
select the PDF995 printer driver to print to and be sure to check the 
options to include the fonts and to optimize for portability, and then 
you can have a PDF file to take to another computer to print to.


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