Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
At 09:49 AM 2/6/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been going nuts with Finale 2K7 since I installed it and am now going back to 2K6. The parts extraction feature nearly killed me! I have a steady client for whom I do Big Band copying, and it almost doubled the time to do the part extractions and lay out the parts. I would really be much happieer if the allowed you to toggle ON/OFF the linked parts feature. There is nothing in Fin2007 that forces you to use linked parts. If you like the old part extraction method, you can just keep using it. When you extract parts in Fin2007, it's true that Finale insists on creating the linked parts if you haven't already. But you never have to look at or work with these linked parts, and the extracted parts will look just like they used to in earlier versions. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
On Feb 6, 2007, at 6:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck! Greetings from another bassist. I have been going nuts with Finale 2K7 since I installed it and am now going back to 2K6. The parts extraction feature nearly killed me! I have a steady client for whom I do Big Band copying, and it almost doubled the time to do the part extractions and lay out the parts. I would really be much happieer if the allowed you to toggle ON/OFF the linked parts feature. Hi Vern, You can extract parts the old way in 2K7. You do not have to use the linked parts feature. However, TGTools does allow copying of page layouts from one part to another, so some of the frustration of linked parts is eliminated by that brilliant plugin. Also, I cannot utilize all of the Garritan GPO and JABB libraries (I bought the full packages) with the new Kontakt player in 2K7 because it only recognizes the Finale/Garritan bundled sounds; so, the 2 things I use this software for the most, I'm better off in 2K6! Any similar thoughts? I don't have this problem. I have others in 2K7, but my JABB library plays back fine. I am up early and have not had breakfast, but I will check out your site as soon as I've had my coffee. I haven't noticed the buzz on the open A. I have stumbled on a better instrument recently (I wasn't looking for one - a former student found it and couldn't afford it) - one with a deeper sound - more fundamental in the harmonic structure of the sound. Maybe Gary will want to sample that sometime. Chuck PS: Please go to my site (www.VernGraham.com) and listen to some of the mp3's I've posted if you'd like to hear how your playing (via Garritan) sounds in my compositions. By the way, did you know when they sampled you, there was a buzz in the instrument when you pluck the open A string? (It's not noticeable enough to ruin the sample, but I'm convinced I'm not hearing things, and it only shows up on that one note). And, I am really impressed and grateful that you did that work with Garritan and have become a valuable part of the new technologies in music! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck! Greetings from another bassist. I have been going nuts with Finale 2K7 since I installed it and am now going back to 2K6. The parts extraction feature nearly killed me! I have a steady client for whom I do Big Band copying, and it almost doubled the time to do the part extractions and lay out the parts. I would really be much happieer if the allowed you to toggle ON/OFF the linked parts feature. Also, I cannot utilize all of the Garritan GPO and JABB libraries (I bought the full packages) with the new Kontakt player in 2K7 because it only recognizes the Finale/Garritan bundled sounds; so, the 2 things I use this software for the most, I'm better off in 2K6! Any similar thoughts? There's nothing about Fin2007 which forces you to use linked parts at all! You can do the work in Fin2007 and then go through the old-fashioned Extract Parts dialog to get separate parts files just as with Fin2006 and earlier. No need to fuss with linked score/parts if you don't want. You could take advantage of the other improvements in Fin2007 and still do theparts the old fashioned way. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
No way. 2007 and linked parts, for Jazz Band, is way faster. Did you read the manual about how to do the parts correctly? Did you also get Chucks great emails a couple of months ago about doing it as well? Did you look at the templates included? It is a huge time saver once you figure it out. It isn't totally obvious how it works, but with some trial/error you can get the hang of it. After you get a good layout for one part, you apply it to the other parts you want. Boom, done. You can also extract the parts to files like 2006 does if you don't like the linked parts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck! Greetings from another bassist. I have been going nuts with Finale 2K7 since I installed it and am now going back to 2K6. The parts extraction feature nearly killed me! I have a steady client for whom I do Big Band copying, and it almost doubled the time to do the part extractions and lay out the parts. I would really be much happieer if the allowed you to toggle ON/OFF the linked parts feature. Also, I cannot utilize all of the Garritan GPO and JABB libraries (I bought the full packages) with the new Kontakt player in 2K7 because it only recognizes the Finale/Garritan bundled sounds; so, the 2 things I use this software for the most, I'm better off in 2K6! Any similar thoughts? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
If that's true, I sure don't understand why Finale Tech Support didn't tell me that when I asked them for help. So, if I understand correctly, when I go to extract parts, (assuming I have already defined the setup for parts), it will create linked parts, which I should choose NOT to use??? What Parts do I open, proof and adjust for layout, print, etc. Where do they get extracted to? (Their Parts Management window is somewhat confusing; this reminds me of the old days of the Macintosh Font/DA Mover). Also, when I tried this before, the Piano staff (2 staves, grand staff) got split into 2 files, and MM told me to create a new part by selecting both staves. Sorry if I'm appearing to be very dim on this issue, but it has become a much more convoluted process that it was in Fin2K6. At 09:49 AM 2/6/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been going nuts with Finale 2K7 since I installed it and am now going back to 2K6. The parts extraction feature nearly killed me! I have a steady client for whom I do Big Band copying, and it almost doubled the time to do the part extractions and lay out the parts. I would really be much happieer if the allowed you to toggle ON/OFF the linked parts feature. There is nothing in Fin2007 that forces you to use linked parts. If you like the old part extraction method, you can just keep using it. When you extract parts in Fin2007, it's true that Finale insists on creating the linked parts if you haven't already. But you never have to look at or work with these linked parts, and the extracted parts will look just like they used to in earlier versions. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's true, I sure don't understand why Finale Tech Support didn't tell me that when I asked them for help. So, if I understand correctly, when I go to extract parts, (assuming I have already defined the setup for parts), it will create linked parts, which I should choose NOT to use??? What Parts do I open, proof and adjust for layout, print, etc. Where do they get extracted to? (Their Parts Management window is somewhat confusing; this reminds me of the old days of the Macintosh Font/DA Mover). Also, when I tried this before, the Piano staff (2 staves, grand staff) got split into 2 files, and MM told me to create a new part by selecting both staves. Sorry if I'm appearing to be very dim on this issue, but it has become a much more convoluted process that it was in Fin2K6. Your piano staves should be grouped -- just be sure to select that group in the Group panel and de-select those two staves in the Staves panel. The parts dialog will ask you for file name information just as it did in Fin2006 and you can save the parts anywhere and with whatever naming convention you want, just as in Fin2006. Finale Tech Support aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, if you get my drift. They don't seem to take the time to actually read what you've sent them, or to think through what it is you're asking them about. They give a few pat answers and if you have the unmitigated gall to reply again and ask for further assustance, then they finally do go that extra bit and figure things out. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
I was skeptical at first, and downright irate because of the issues linked parts. I never thought I'd want to use it as it currently exists. However, I recently did my first score (large orchestral) using linked parts via a parts score and found it a huge time saver. True, it's another file I have to use, but it's only one more file, not one for every part. Plus, I get the advantages of making changes to all parts at once, such as titles, page number positions, and of course music edits. The biggest problem is in cases with more than one part per staff, but I managed to work through that and will be faster next time now that I've learned the tricks. I'm nervous hearing of rare bugs, however, which cause weird things to happen in the parts. Hopefully MM will fix them within years. On Feb 6, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: No way. 2007 and linked parts, for Jazz Band, is way faster. Did you read the manual about how to do the parts correctly? Did you also get Chucks great emails a couple of months ago about doing it as well? Did you look at the templates included? It is a huge time saver once you figure it out. It isn't totally obvious how it works, but with some trial/error you can get the hang of it. After you get a good layout for one part, you apply it to the other parts you want. Boom, done. You can also extract the parts to files like 2006 does if you don't like the linked parts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck! Greetings from another bassist. I have been going nuts with Finale 2K7 since I installed it and am now going back to 2K6. The parts extraction feature nearly killed me! I have a steady client for whom I do Big Band copying, and it almost doubled the time to do the part extractions and lay out the parts. I would really be much happieer if the allowed you to toggle ON/OFF the linked parts feature. Also, I cannot utilize all of the Garritan GPO and JABB libraries (I bought the full packages) with the new Kontakt player in 2K7 because it only recognizes the Finale/Garritan bundled sounds; so, the 2 things I use this software for the most, I'm better off in 2K6! Any similar thoughts? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
At 11:59 AM 2/6/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's true, I sure don't understand why Finale Tech Support didn't tell me that when I asked them for help. I have an answer for that, but it's unprintable. g So, if I understand correctly, when I go to extract parts, (assuming I have already defined the setup for parts), it will create linked parts, which I should choose NOT to use??? At some point in the process, linked parts need to be created. If you checked the appropriate box in the Setup Wizard, they are created along with your score. Otherwise -- that is, if the Extract Parts dialog shows only 'Score' -- then you need to hit the Generate Parts button in that dialog. Then choose which parts you want to extract What Parts do I open, proof and adjust for layout, print, etc. Where do they get extracted to? On Win, the second half of the Extract Parts dialog says 'Generate names from:' and has an edit box showing the full path to the extracted files and the template that will be used for naming the parts. Although this dialog may look different than it did in previous versions, the result will be the same; that is, it will create part files in the location you specify, just as earlier versions did. Also, when I tried this before, the Piano staff (2 staves, grand staff) got split into 2 files, and MM told me to create a new part by selecting both staves. If your piano staves are joined into a group, as they are when the Wizard creates your score, then Finale will recognize the two staves as a single part. (Actually, if you've done this by hand, I think you also have to have a Group Name for the group and no Staff Names or Abbr Staff Names.) Otherwise, you do need to go into the Manage Parts dialog and create a new part containing the 2 piano staves. This can be a little tricky the first time. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
You should try the Smartmusic support dhbailey wrote: Finale Tech Support aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, if you get my drift. They don't seem to take the time to actually read what you've sent them, or to think through what it is you're asking them about. They give a few pat answers and if you have the unmitigated gall to reply again and ask for further assustance, then they finally do go that extra bit and figure things out. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
Rich Caldwell wrote: [snip] I'm nervous hearing of rare bugs, however, which cause weird things to happen in the parts. Hopefully MM will fix them within years. [snip] You can count on MM to fix it within years. Just remember that a century isn't anything more than a collection of years, while you're waiting for those fixes. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
Eric Dannewitz wrote: You should try the Smartmusic support dhbailey wrote: Finale Tech Support aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, if you get my drift. They don't seem to take the time to actually read what you've sent them, or to think through what it is you're asking them about. They give a few pat answers and if you have the unmitigated gall to reply again and ask for further assustance, then they finally do go that extra bit and figure things out. Maybe those folks are Finale Tech-Support-In-Training personnel? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
On Feb 6, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Rich Caldwell wrote: I was skeptical at first, and downright irate because of the issues linked parts. I never thought I'd want to use it as it currently exists. However, I recently did my first score (large orchestral) using linked parts via a parts score and found it a huge time saver. True, it's another file I have to use, but it's only one more file, not one for every part. Plus, I get the advantages of making changes to all parts at once, such as titles, page number positions, and of course music edits. The biggest problem is in cases with more than one part per staff, but I managed to work through that and will be faster next time now that I've learned the tricks. I'm nervous hearing of rare bugs, however, which cause weird things to happen in the parts. Hopefully MM will fix them within years. I just heard from Scott Yoho at MM that they have acknowledged a bug I've encountered where staff styles will get misplaced in some parts, messing up some mm rests as well. This seems to be a result of the misbehavior of the Mass Copy tool when copy staff styles is included. It is not difficult to repair, if it does happen. Here is an excerpt of the email response from Scott (who never fails to respond courteously). Here's what we've learned: If Staff Styles is checked in Items to Copy, drag copying measures that precede a staff style shifts Staff Styles that follow the source measures the same relative distance in the Part (even though measures containing Staff Styles were not part of the selection.) Copying measures where no Staff Styles follow to a destination where Staff Styles follow causes Staff Styles to disappear (since it also copies the absence of Staff Styles.) Here's the quickest way to correct this problem in affected files (assuming that the Staff Styles in the Parts should match the Score): 1. Select the Staff Tool. 2. Ctrl+A or Cmd+A to highlight all measures in the affected Part. 3. Context click a highlighted measure and choose Reset Staff Styles to Score. Repeat these steps for each linked part that has this problem. Additionally, this problem can cause multimeasure rests to become broken. After Reseting Staff Styles to Score, select the Measure Tool. From the Measure Menu, choose Multimeasure Rests Create for Parts/Score. Check all of the Parts and click OK. If there are Staff Styles in a document and you plan on copying measures, you can prevent this problem from happening in the first place by following these steps: 1. Select the Mass Edit Tool. 2. Mass Edit Menu Items to Copy... 3. Uncheck Staff Styles. Hope this helps, Chuck On Feb 6, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: No way. 2007 and linked parts, for Jazz Band, is way faster. Did you read the manual about how to do the parts correctly? Did you also get Chucks great emails a couple of months ago about doing it as well? Did you look at the templates included? It is a huge time saver once you figure it out. It isn't totally obvious how it works, but with some trial/error you can get the hang of it. After you get a good layout for one part, you apply it to the other parts you want. Boom, done. You can also extract the parts to files like 2006 does if you don't like the linked parts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck! Greetings from another bassist. I have been going nuts with Finale 2K7 since I installed it and am now going back to 2K6. The parts extraction feature nearly killed me! I have a steady client for whom I do Big Band copying, and it almost doubled the time to do the part extractions and lay out the parts. I would really be much happieer if the allowed you to toggle ON/OFF the linked parts feature. Also, I cannot utilize all of the Garritan GPO and JABB libraries (I bought the full packages) with the new Kontakt player in 2K7 because it only recognizes the Finale/Garritan bundled sounds; so, the 2 things I use this software for the most, I'm better off in 2K6! Any similar thoughts? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)
URL http://homepage.mac.com/cisraels/filechute/Dacapolypso%20(BB).mus Anyone with a few minutes to spare can look at this file - score view is not yet formatted for page layout, but the parts are. Look at the score, then look at Trombone 2. (I already repaired Trombone 3.) Thanks, Chuck On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Well, here's a real work flow stopper: Score and parts created and formatted; file then closed and later reopened; score looks OK, but parts are corrupted; MM rests are not where they belong and slashes have been applied where there should be MM rests; slashes are missing where they were originally applied. This is not the first time this has happened, but the other instances have occurred in files I had converted from earlier versions, and I attributed the problem to that. This file was created new - from a 2007 template. (I did copy in some parts form older files.) Any ideas? This is an ugly business, and I am about as frustrated with this version of Finale as I have ever remembered being in all the time I've worked with it (since version 1!). I am forwarding this message to the MM folks. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts
Hmm, now that is disturbing. Did you do a Data Check-File Maintenance? Chuck Israels wrote: Well, here's a real work flow stopper: Score and parts created and formatted; file then closed and later reopened; score looks OK, but parts are corrupted; MM rests are not where they belong and slashes have been applied where there should be MM rests; slashes are missing where they were originally applied. This is not the first time this has happened, but the other instances have occurred in files I had converted from earlier versions, and I attributed the problem to that. This file was created new - from a 2007 template. (I did copy in some parts form older files.) Any ideas? This is an ugly business, and I am about as frustrated with this version of Finale as I have ever remembered being in all the time I've worked with it (since version 1!). I am forwarding this message to the MM folks. Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)
Just a reminder, Chuck is using MACFin. If you are using WINFin, the program will not have the correct fonts installed to render the file correctly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file) URL http://homepage.mac.com/cisraels/filechute/Dacapolypso%20(BB).mus Anyone with a few minutes to spare can look at this file - score view is not yet formatted for page layout, but the parts are. Look at the score, then look at Trombone 2. (I already repaired Trombone 3.) Thanks, Chuck On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Well, here's a real work flow stopper: Score and parts created and formatted; file then closed and later reopened; score looks OK, but parts are corrupted; MM rests are not where they belong and slashes have been applied where there should be MM rests; slashes are missing where they were originally applied. This is not the first time this has happened, but the other instances have occurred in files I had converted from earlier versions, and I attributed the problem to that. This file was created new - from a 2007 template. (I did copy in some parts form older files.) Any ideas? This is an ugly business, and I am about as frustrated with this version of Finale as I have ever remembered being in all the time I've worked with it (since version 1!). I am forwarding this message to the MM folks. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 1:12 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 1:12 PM ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)
Actually, it's nothing to do with Mac vs. Windows. The problem is that Chuck doesn't use the default Finale fonts (which are the same on both platforms). He uses Bill Duncan's fonts, so if you don't have Bill's font sets, many characters won't show up correctly. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 28 Jan 2007, at 4:38 PM, Richard Willis wrote: Just a reminder, Chuck is using MACFin. If you are using WINFin, the program will not have the correct fonts installed to render the file correctly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file) URL http://homepage.mac.com/cisraels/filechute/Dacapolypso%20(BB).mus Anyone with a few minutes to spare can look at this file - score view is not yet formatted for page layout, but the parts are. Look at the score, then look at Trombone 2. (I already repaired Trombone 3.) Thanks, Chuck On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Well, here's a real work flow stopper: Score and parts created and formatted; file then closed and later reopened; score looks OK, but parts are corrupted; MM rests are not where they belong and slashes have been applied where there should be MM rests; slashes are missing where they were originally applied. This is not the first time this has happened, but the other instances have occurred in files I had converted from earlier versions, and I attributed the problem to that. This file was created new - from a 2007 template. (I did copy in some parts form older files.) Any ideas? This is an ugly business, and I am about as frustrated with this version of Finale as I have ever remembered being in all the time I've worked with it (since version 1!). I am forwarding this message to the MM folks. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 1:12 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 1:12 PM ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)
Darcy - Do you think that Bill's fonts are somehow causing this wandering staff style issue? If that is the case, then my irritation with MM is misplaced. Of course, it would be nice, for those of us who love the look of these things, if Finale would accommodate them properly. Eric, I did not do a file maintenance data check - didn't know that was a possibility, and I have since repaired the file, which now seems to be holding its information in the correct places. My emotions take over when things like this happen (hard as I try to be rational), and I sometimes lose sight of obvious lines of thought or procedures that occur to me (and others) in the cold light of a couple of hours of distance from the problem. Thanks for thinking about this - and if anyone who uses Bill's fonts can spare the time to take a look, maybe we can figure out where the problem lies and help MM (or me - if it's mine) to fix it. Thanks, Chuck On Jan 28, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Actually, it's nothing to do with Mac vs. Windows. The problem is that Chuck doesn't use the default Finale fonts (which are the same on both platforms). He uses Bill Duncan's fonts, so if you don't have Bill's font sets, many characters won't show up correctly. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 28 Jan 2007, at 4:38 PM, Richard Willis wrote: Just a reminder, Chuck is using MACFin. If you are using WINFin, the program will not have the correct fonts installed to render the file correctly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file) URL http://homepage.mac.com/cisraels/filechute/Dacapolypso%20(BB).mus Anyone with a few minutes to spare can look at this file - score view is not yet formatted for page layout, but the parts are. Look at the score, then look at Trombone 2. (I already repaired Trombone 3.) Thanks, Chuck On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Well, here's a real work flow stopper: Score and parts created and formatted; file then closed and later reopened; score looks OK, but parts are corrupted; MM rests are not where they belong and slashes have been applied where there should be MM rests; slashes are missing where they were originally applied. This is not the first time this has happened, but the other instances have occurred in files I had converted from earlier versions, and I attributed the problem to that. This file was created new - from a 2007 template. (I did copy in some parts form older files.) Any ideas? This is an ugly business, and I am about as frustrated with this version of Finale as I have ever remembered being in all the time I've worked with it (since version 1!). I am forwarding this message to the MM folks. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 1:12 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 1:12 PM ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)
Hey Chuck, I doubt the problem you are experiencing has anything to do with Bill's fonts. All I meant was, it may be difficult for other people to see the problems you are referring to when they open the file you posted, because unless they have purchased and installed all of Bill Duncan's fonts, they won't see what you see. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 28 Jan 2007, at 6:09 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Darcy - Do you think that Bill's fonts are somehow causing this wandering staff style issue? If that is the case, then my irritation with MM is misplaced. Of course, it would be nice, for those of us who love the look of these things, if Finale would accommodate them properly. Eric, I did not do a file maintenance data check - didn't know that was a possibility, and I have since repaired the file, which now seems to be holding its information in the correct places. My emotions take over when things like this happen (hard as I try to be rational), and I sometimes lose sight of obvious lines of thought or procedures that occur to me (and others) in the cold light of a couple of hours of distance from the problem. Thanks for thinking about this - and if anyone who uses Bill's fonts can spare the time to take a look, maybe we can figure out where the problem lies and help MM (or me - if it's mine) to fix it. Thanks, Chuck On Jan 28, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Actually, it's nothing to do with Mac vs. Windows. The problem is that Chuck doesn't use the default Finale fonts (which are the same on both platforms). He uses Bill Duncan's fonts, so if you don't have Bill's font sets, many characters won't show up correctly. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 28 Jan 2007, at 4:38 PM, Richard Willis wrote: Just a reminder, Chuck is using MACFin. If you are using WINFin, the program will not have the correct fonts installed to render the file correctly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file) URL http://homepage.mac.com/cisraels/filechute/Dacapolypso%20(BB).mus Anyone with a few minutes to spare can look at this file - score view is not yet formatted for page layout, but the parts are. Look at the score, then look at Trombone 2. (I already repaired Trombone 3.) Thanks, Chuck On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Well, here's a real work flow stopper: Score and parts created and formatted; file then closed and later reopened; score looks OK, but parts are corrupted; MM rests are not where they belong and slashes have been applied where there should be MM rests; slashes are missing where they were originally applied. This is not the first time this has happened, but the other instances have occurred in files I had converted from earlier versions, and I attributed the problem to that. This file was created new - from a 2007 template. (I did copy in some parts form older files.) Any ideas? This is an ugly business, and I am about as frustrated with this version of Finale as I have ever remembered being in all the time I've worked with it (since version 1!). I am forwarding this message to the MM folks. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 1:12 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 1:12 PM ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)
Chuck, This will fix the Staff Styles problem. Repeat for each part with problems 1 Select a part, then: 2 Select Staff Tool 3 Select All 4 From the Staff menu, select Rest Saff Styles to Score. Vince Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.invinceableentertainment.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)
Aha! A global solution! You know where things are hidden (probably in plain sight). Thank you Vince (for this and your other help). Chuck On Jan 28, 2007, at 3:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck, This will fix the Staff Styles problem. Repeat for each part with problems 1 Select a part, then: 2 Select Staff Tool 3 Select All 4 From the Staff menu, select Rest Saff Styles to Score. Vince Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.invinceableentertainment.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
