Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Karen]

When I was using my own default file, I never had this problem/
frustration.




Hi Hiro,

I have always used the same default files that I have taken with me  
starting with Finale 2001.  I have never had any problems with the  
transfer during upgrades.  I have one default file for parts, one for  
scores and one for importing midi files (when I do midi  
transcriptions.)  I don't use the setup wizard so I don't have to  
call my default file Maestro Default file or Jazz Default file.  My  
score file is set up for a large orchestra so it is easy to delete  
parts and respace if necessary.  I am currently considering redoing  
my score default file for GPO playback.  Each default file has one  
measure in it and I use clip files to insert the "form" of the piece.


But there have been times that I have needed to import libraries  
etc.  I use the Library features within Finale for some things  
including Chords as you are trying to do.  I clear out the libraries  
as you have done but then I use Patterson plug-ins Settings Scrapbook  
to move over chord settings too.  (Settings Scrapbook alone is worth  
the price of Bob's plug-ins in my opinion as it really fills in the  
gaps with Finale's Library feature.) You may also try running from  
within the chord tool Chord>Change Chord Suffix Fonts.  There are a  
couple of spacing settings that you can reset.   I have never used  
this feature myself but you may want to try it.  Let me know what you  
find out!


For your text blocks, try out TGTools>Modify>Transfer.  You can  
transfer page text from one document to another as well as many other  
things.  I also use TGTools>Modify>Transfer>Metatools to transfer my  
expression and articulation metatools when necessary.  Look around in  
this part of the TGtools plug-in.  There are a ton of useful things  
there!


Best,

Karen
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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Christopher Smith]

On Aug 22, 2005, at 3:57 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Noel Stoutenburg / 2005/08/22 / 03:27 PM wrote:


My original sense was that you were looking for changes to one or more
specific libraries; from this post it seems that you are looking to
change your "Maestro default" file, which would not be done by saving
libraries.


Sorry.  I thought I was clear but probably my bad English.  Let me try
again.  I had been carry over my custom default file for years, which
contains all the settings I need.  Every time I receive new Finale
version, I open the default file then resave as the new default file.
In another word, I had never used Maestro default file before until
people on this list was saying this is a bad idea.

More and more I look into this, I am quite puzzled.  Chord Lib import,
as I explained, doesn't work as expected.  Page format such as title 
and

other page elements doesn't seems to have any way of transferring via
Lib, etc, etc (and other suggestion of using Finale Script did not 
solve
this).  This was why my original question of how others are dealing 
with

this.  When I was using my own default file, I never had this problem/
frustration.



Hiro,

I am one of those who seldom preserves a default file from one version 
to the next, and the things you mentioned are true.


I never use chord playback, so that particular lack in the chord lib 
importation never showed up for me, but I don't doubt that it is true. 
I don't know where those settings are stored, so I can't help you.


I manually change the page size and title settings (though I just 
learned that the defaults are stored in the pagesizes.txt document 
inside the Component Files folder; this file is referred to every time 
new pages are created, such as when extracting parts.)


I also reassign some metatools manually, and set the time sig, lines, 
etc., the way I like them, though I am messing around with those 
settings so much these days that it is no use to me to import them at 
all.


If you only ever open up your default file, using it as a template, 
then some of these won't affect you. If you use the Setup Wizard, 
though, then you have to know what is stored where, and it is not 
always clear, let me tell you!


Anything else not preserved, or not transferable?

Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[A-NO-NE Music]

Christopher Smith / 2005/08/22 / 04:16 PM wrote:

>I never use chord playback, so that particular lack in the chord lib 
>importation never showed up for me, but I don't doubt that it is true. 
>I don't know where those settings are stored, so I can't help you.

I don't use playback too, but I just can't stand how Finale spells chord
name, i.e., minor have to be minus sign for me since that's the only way
to avoid mistake on sight reading sessions, and I like minus sign to be
Courier.  I also depend on MIDI chord entry with specific voicings for
specific chord names.  This is essential to my workflow.

>I manually change the page size and title settings (though I just 
>learned that the defaults are stored in the pagesizes.txt document 
>inside the Component Files folder; this file is referred to every time 
>new pages are created, such as when extracting parts.)

My problem is Text blocks on the Page Layout, i.e., Title with this font
and that size, etc, those which can not be stored in Document Option.

-- 

- Hiro

Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
 


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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[David W. Fenton]

On 22 Aug 2005 at 22:16, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

> Personally I have been updating my own default file for quite a long
> time. I don't really see the need to start from scratch with every
> Finale update.

Well, there are so many weird issues that I encounter in files that 
began life in older versions of Finale that I can understand the 
precautions that people take in creating new templates. That is, if 
the problems occur in non-templates, surely they'd be there in 
templates, too.

Any number of the weird problems I've encountered over the years 
occur only in my actual files, and not in files based on current 
templates where I try to recreate the problems. This includes things 
like the tempo tool edits that get completely ignored, and the 
cautionary accidentals that don't copy to another document. There are 
others, too, like the repeats that play correctly but don't show up 
correctly onscreen (i.e., the screen keeps going instead of 
repeating).

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Johannes Gebauer]

A-NO-NE Music schrieb:

More and more I look into this, I am quite puzzled.  Chord Lib import,
as I explained, doesn't work as expected.  Page format such as title and
other page elements doesn't seems to have any way of transferring via
Lib, etc, etc (and other suggestion of using Finale Script did not solve
this). 


I never work with chords, so I can't help you with that.

Text block handling in Finale is terrible. You may be able to transfer
textblocks from one document to another using TGTools. However, this
hasn't always worked for me as intended, but it's worth a try.

Ideally Finale should allow some standard text blocks which have
changeable standard settings, but alas, it hasn't.

Johannes

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Johannes Gebauer]

Personally I have been updating my own default file for quite a long
time. I don't really see the need to start from scratch with every
Finale update.

Johannes

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[A-NO-NE Music]

Noel Stoutenburg / 2005/08/22 / 03:27 PM wrote:

>My original sense was that you were looking for changes to one or more 
>specific libraries; from this post it seems that you are looking to 
>change your "Maestro default" file, which would not be done by saving 
>libraries.

Sorry.  I thought I was clear but probably my bad English.  Let me try
again.  I had been carry over my custom default file for years, which
contains all the settings I need.  Every time I receive new Finale
version, I open the default file then resave as the new default file. 
In another word, I had never used Maestro default file before until
people on this list was saying this is a bad idea.

More and more I look into this, I am quite puzzled.  Chord Lib import,
as I explained, doesn't work as expected.  Page format such as title and
other page elements doesn't seems to have any way of transferring via
Lib, etc, etc (and other suggestion of using Finale Script did not solve
this).  This was why my original question of how others are dealing with
this.  When I was using my own default file, I never had this problem/
frustration.

-- 

- Hiro

Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
 


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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Noel Stoutenburg]

A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Say I want certain text block on the page layout, title, credit, etc.,
as well as other page layout related specifics which I used to save to
my default file that carried over years, now I have to do it every time
I receive new Maestro default file.

What is puzzling me is that Save Lib option is not clear.  It won't let
you save only a portion of Document Options yet it has Default Font lib
export besides it.  This is why I asked how others are dealing with this.
 

Well, now I'm confused.  I have WINfin 2k6, but have not yet installed 
it so I'm not totally sure what you mean.


My original sense was that you were looking for changes to one or more 
specific libraries; from this post it seems that you are looking to 
change your "Maestro default" file, which would not be done by saving 
libraries.


ns

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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[A-NO-NE Music]

Noel Stoutenburg / 2005/08/22 / 02:45 AM wrote:

>I think the way to do this is to sit down, spend some time 
>thinking
>about the work you do, and deciding what expressions and 
>articulations
>you most commonly need.

Thanks for your response, but not sure what you mean.  I am not looking
for template or sort.  Let's say Chord Library is one as I mentioned,
how I want default page layout is another, while line thickness and
these Finale default I don't like is the ones in question.

Say I want certain text block on the page layout, title, credit, etc.,
as well as other page layout related specifics which I used to save to
my default file that carried over years, now I have to do it every time
I receive new Maestro default file.

What is puzzling me is that Save Lib option is not clear.  It won't let
you save only a portion of Document Options yet it has Default Font lib
export besides it.  This is why I asked how others are dealing with this.

-- 

- Hiro

Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
 


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Re: [Finale] Default file mnagement

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Hiro wrote:


Until recently, I had my default file carried over and over FinMac
versions for years but many on this list have suggested it is a bad
idea, and I should load custom libraries to Maestro default file instead.

I found myself frustrated doing this since I don't yet to have complete
libraries, other than obvious ones such as Chord Lib, to complete my
setup.  I was wondering if anyone would list the usual libraries I
should create once for all so I could learn from it.



I think the way to do this is to sit down, spend some time 
thinking
about the work you do, and deciding what expressions and 
articulations

you most commonly need.

For myself, I have a library for organ, containing customary
designations for manuals (I, II, III; Swell, Great;) and 
organ stops
(diapasons, strings); I have one for tempi, where I keep the 
full range
of tempi from lento through prestississimo.  I also have a 
choir
expression library, that I use for such things as "Choir I" 
"Choir II",
"Soprano" "Solo" "Full", "sotto voce", &c.  My string 
library is very
rudimentary, as I don't know nearly as much about strings as 
I should;
"arco", "pizz", "col altri", &c.  I have yet to do any work 
with chords;

when I start, I'll doubtless develop a chord library, too.


By the way, here is my problem with loading my Chord Lib.  What I
thought I should be doing:
- Open new Maestro default file
 

hmmm.I'm on very thin ice here (it is, 
after all,
August in Dallas, TX, and we rarely get ice even in January 
mode off>) since I haven't made much use of the chord tool, 
but why not
start with an empty document, instead, and then load the 
chord library?
Do your editing, and when you are done editing, save your 
new chord

library with a new name.



- Select Chord Tool
- Select Edit Learned Chord
- Make some move to call up the Chord Assignment Dialog
- Delete all the chord entries
- Cancel out Chord Tool
- Load my own Chord Lib
 

If at this point you quit the document you loaded, and load 
a new one,

do you still get the following behavior?


When I go to Edit Learned Chord again, I find many are wrong because
learned chord seems to be pointing to large ID number 


ns


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