Re: [Finale] FAN Files
Or articulation fonts. Or text font for shape expressions. Etc C. On Mar 20, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: If none exist, you will have to create FAN files for any notehead fonts you use in Finale 2007. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Mar 2007, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Mar 20, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Michael Cook wrote: I guess that the "old" automatic articulation placement was done making the assumption that the noteheads were always the same size. The same would go for the start and end points of normal note-attached slurs, and ties. This was the case for all versions up to and including 2006. As Darcy said, things changed in 2007: now the FAN files are also used for the placement of articulations, ties and non-engraver slurs as well as engraver slurs. Wait a minute! Does this mean that I will no longer be able to get any kind of intelligent articulation or slur tip placement for those several of my fonts for which no FAN files exist? That in fact Finale's behavior in such cases has been *deliberately* reverted to what it was in Finale 2.X? Some improvement, there! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FAN Files
If none exist, you will have to create FAN files for any notehead fonts you use in Finale 2007. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Mar 2007, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Mar 20, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Michael Cook wrote: I guess that the "old" automatic articulation placement was done making the assumption that the noteheads were always the same size. The same would go for the start and end points of normal note-attached slurs, and ties. This was the case for all versions up to and including 2006. As Darcy said, things changed in 2007: now the FAN files are also used for the placement of articulations, ties and non-engraver slurs as well as engraver slurs. Wait a minute! Does this mean that I will no longer be able to get any kind of intelligent articulation or slur tip placement for those several of my fonts for which no FAN files exist? That in fact Finale's behavior in such cases has been *deliberately* reverted to what it was in Finale 2.X? Some improvement, there! Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/kallisti.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FAN Files
On Mar 20, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Michael Cook wrote: I guess that the "old" automatic articulation placement was done making the assumption that the noteheads were always the same size. The same would go for the start and end points of normal note-attached slurs, and ties. This was the case for all versions up to and including 2006. As Darcy said, things changed in 2007: now the FAN files are also used for the placement of articulations, ties and non-engraver slurs as well as engraver slurs. Wait a minute! Does this mean that I will no longer be able to get any kind of intelligent articulation or slur tip placement for those several of my fonts for which no FAN files exist? That in fact Finale's behavior in such cases has been *deliberately* reverted to what it was in Finale 2.X? Some improvement, there! Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/kallisti.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FAN Files
I guess that the "old" automatic articulation placement was done making the assumption that the noteheads were always the same size. The same would go for the start and end points of normal note- attached slurs, and ties. This was the case for all versions up to and including 2006. As Darcy said, things changed in 2007: now the FAN files are also used for the placement of articulations, ties and non-engraver slurs as well as engraver slurs. Michael On 20 Mar 2007, at 16:36, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 20.03.2007 Michael Cook wrote: Johannes, try this simple test: - Before launching Finale, remove the FAN files from their folder. - Open a piece which contains articulations with auto-placement (staccato for instance). You'll get the warning that there are no font annotation files. - See where the articulations appear in relation to the noteheads. So how did this work before FAN files were introduced? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FAN Files
Hi Johannes, This changed in Fin2007. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Mar 2007, at 5:02 AM, Michael Cook wrote: Johannes, try this simple test: - Before launching Finale, remove the FAN files from their folder. - Open a piece which contains articulations with auto-placement (staccato for instance). You'll get the warning that there are no font annotation files. - See where the articulations appear in relation to the noteheads. Michael On 20 Mar 2007, at 08:41, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Are you sure, though? Articulations were placed long before FAN files existed. I certainly wasn't aware that anything changed. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FAN Files
On 20.03.2007 Michael Cook wrote: Johannes, try this simple test: - Before launching Finale, remove the FAN files from their folder. - Open a piece which contains articulations with auto-placement (staccato for instance). You'll get the warning that there are no font annotation files. - See where the articulations appear in relation to the noteheads. So how did this work before FAN files were introduced? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FAN Files
Johannes, try this simple test: - Before launching Finale, remove the FAN files from their folder. - Open a piece which contains articulations with auto-placement (staccato for instance). You'll get the warning that there are no font annotation files. - See where the articulations appear in relation to the noteheads. Michael On 20 Mar 2007, at 08:41, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Are you sure, though? Articulations were placed long before FAN files existed. I certainly wasn't aware that anything changed. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FAN Files
Are you sure, though? Articulations were placed long before FAN files existed. I certainly wasn't aware that anything changed. Johannes On 19.03.2007 Fisher, Allen wrote: Yep. I forgot about that one... --Allen | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darcy James Argue | Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:54 PM | To: finale@shsu.edu | Subject: Re: [Finale] FAN Files (was: Odd problem with Opus | Special font) | | Font annotation are also used to calculate the distance | between notehead and articulation. | -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] FAN Files (was: Odd problem with Opus Special font)
Yep. I forgot about that one... --Allen | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darcy James Argue | Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:54 PM | To: finale@shsu.edu | Subject: Re: [Finale] FAN Files (was: Odd problem with Opus | Special font) | | Font annotation are also used to calculate the distance | between notehead and articulation. | | Cheers, | | - Darcy | - | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Brooklyn, NY | | | | On 15 Mar 2007, at 11:59 AM, Fisher, Allen wrote: | | > There are some issues with the Opus fonts, particularly | because they | > are what are referred to as "Naked" TrueTypes, which is basically a | > raw TTF file outside of a font suitcase. Some work in Finale, some | > don't. I haven't discovered a workaround yet short of | messing with the | > font itself. | > | > On a side note...To clear up any misconceptions about font | annotation | > files, this is what they are, and how they are used in Finale: | > | > Font annotation files provide the true dimmensions of a | character in a | > given font. The reported height of a character in a given font is | > dictated by the tallest character in that font. For text | fonts, that's | > not a huge deal, since the tallest character in the font is not all | > that far from the shortest alpha-numeric character in the | font. In a | > music font, the variation in the size of characters is far | greater (in | > fact the tallest character in Maestro is the Treble Octava | [sp?] clef, | > all the way down to a staccato dot--quite a difference!), which you | > will notice in an application like Microsoft Word, when you use a | > Maestro Font music character alongside a regular text font. | > | > Font Annotation files are used (last I checked) to | calculate selection | > rectangles in the Selection tool, the curvature of Engraver | Slurs, and | > I think they may be used in some tuplet bracket | calculations as well. | > | > Hope this helps a bit. | > | > --Allen | > | > | -Original Message- | > | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Dannewitz | > | Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:54 PM | > | To: finale@shsu.edu | > | Subject: Re: [Finale] Odd problem with Opus Special font | > | | > | Do you have the font annotation installed for it? | > | | > | Johannes Gebauer wrote: | > | > I want to use one articulation from Opus Special (Sibelius | > font). I | > | > pick the correct symbol in the articulation designer. When | > | I put that | > | > articulation on a note I see another symbol on screen, yet, | > | it seems | > | > the correct symbol prints. | > | > | > | > Very strange. | > | > | > | > Finale's font handling leaves a lot of questions... | > | > | > | > Johannes | > | | > | ___ | > | Finale mailing list | > | Finale@shsu.edu | > | http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale | > | | > | > ___ | > Finale mailing list | > Finale@shsu.edu | > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale | | ___ | Finale mailing list | Finale@shsu.edu | http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale | ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FAN Files (was: Odd problem with Opus Special font)
Font annotation are also used to calculate the distance between notehead and articulation. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 15 Mar 2007, at 11:59 AM, Fisher, Allen wrote: There are some issues with the Opus fonts, particularly because they are what are referred to as "Naked" TrueTypes, which is basically a raw TTF file outside of a font suitcase. Some work in Finale, some don't. I haven't discovered a workaround yet short of messing with the font itself. On a side note...To clear up any misconceptions about font annotation files, this is what they are, and how they are used in Finale: Font annotation files provide the true dimmensions of a character in a given font. The reported height of a character in a given font is dictated by the tallest character in that font. For text fonts, that's not a huge deal, since the tallest character in the font is not all that far from the shortest alpha-numeric character in the font. In a music font, the variation in the size of characters is far greater (in fact the tallest character in Maestro is the Treble Octava [sp?] clef, all the way down to a staccato dot--quite a difference!), which you will notice in an application like Microsoft Word, when you use a Maestro Font music character alongside a regular text font. Font Annotation files are used (last I checked) to calculate selection rectangles in the Selection tool, the curvature of Engraver Slurs, and I think they may be used in some tuplet bracket calculations as well. Hope this helps a bit. --Allen | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Dannewitz | Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:54 PM | To: finale@shsu.edu | Subject: Re: [Finale] Odd problem with Opus Special font | | Do you have the font annotation installed for it? | | Johannes Gebauer wrote: | > I want to use one articulation from Opus Special (Sibelius font). I | > pick the correct symbol in the articulation designer. When | I put that | > articulation on a note I see another symbol on screen, yet, | it seems | > the correct symbol prints. | > | > Very strange. | > | > Finale's font handling leaves a lot of questions... | > | > Johannes | | ___ | Finale mailing list | Finale@shsu.edu | http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale | ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
