Re: [Finale] JW plug-ins open source
John Poole [Finale Discussion] wrote: Mark D Lew wrote: On Oct 8, 2004, at 1:48 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: It seems he's not. This is taken from the page he linked to in his announcement: These source code files are released as open source and can be compiled to a Finale(TM) plug-in, with the following remarks/limitations: * This source code is copyright (c) Jari Williamsson, 1999-2004. * You may NOT sell any part of this source code. * If you compile this source to a binary, you may NOT sell that binary. * You may use individual routines from this source in your own projects, as long as your project substantialy differs from the intentions of this source code. * You may NOT use the whole plug-in as a part of your own projects. * You may modify/enhance the code to introduce new features. If you do so, you should publicaly release the source. The way I read these restrictions, it wouldn't preclude the possibility of paying someone to do the conversion, so long as the resulting binary is not sold. That is, someone might announce, I'm willing to use my Mac OS X compiler to convert Jari's open source code to create a version of JW plug-ins that will work on Mac. It would be about two hours of work which I'd charge at $20/hr, so if someone pays me $40 I'll do the work. [*] Then if a group of users interested in having the Mac version available pool their money to come up with that $40, the guy would do the conversion and release the Mac version which would then be free to everyone just like Jari stipulates. By my reading, that would be consistent with the letter of the law and Jari's restrictions. I believe it's also consistent with the spirit, but if not, Jari can let us know. mdl (IANAL)) [*] I'm totally making up these figures for time and money. I have no idea how easy or difficult it is to do port the code to Mac. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale bettery yet: have the code lodged in a repository (like SourceForge) where it can be worked on and the eager Mac users could simply hire someone to contribute to the development of the code. This helps keep the code open, encourages whoever contributes to have their code viewable for comment/suggestions (and the people paying the bill will have the benefit of others seeing what they are paying for), and inspires others to come on board and develop. I think the model of private moneys financing parts of open source projects is going to become more and more in vogue and perhaps smaller contributors (rather than large corporations) can help promote development. Bravo, Jari, for doing this. (I'm not a Mac user, but applaud people who have the wisdom to weave open source into their development plan.) While I realize Jari is releasing the source code of his own free will, I would think that if anybody is getting paid Jari should get an equal amount of money. I realize that legally that may not be a requisite if someone were hired at a per-hour rate to convert the code into Mac plug-ins, but I would think morally that if anybody makes money from them, Jari should get an equal amount. otherwise, pay that extra person to write his/her own source code! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plug-ins open source
THANK YOU, JARI!!! Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I'll now start to release some of my freeware plug-ins as open source, so anyone with a MacOSX compiler can make a port. I've started with JW System Divider to see how things go. http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/sources/index.html Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plug-ins open source
Darcy, Does this mean that you have the know how to port Jari's plug ins over to the Mac side of things? Chuck On Oct 8, 2004, at 9:32 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: THANK YOU, JARI!!! Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I'll now start to release some of my freeware plug-ins as open source, so anyone with a MacOSX compiler can make a port. I've started with JW System Divider to see how things go. http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/sources/index.html Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plug-ins open source
Hi Chuck, Uh, that would be no, unfortunately. But it means that now the people who do know can now get started. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 02:28 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Darcy, Does this mean that you have the know how to port Jari's plug ins over to the Mac side of things? Chuck On Oct 8, 2004, at 9:32 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: THANK YOU, JARI!!! Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I'll now start to release some of my freeware plug-ins as open source, so anyone with a MacOSX compiler can make a port. I've started with JW System Divider to see how things go. http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/sources/index.html Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plug-ins open source
If the unbridled generosity of the folks on this list continues unabated, someone will surely step up. Chuck On Oct 8, 2004, at 11:32 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Uh, that would be no, unfortunately. But it means that now the people who do know can now get started. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 02:28 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Darcy, Does this mean that you have the know how to port Jari's plug ins over to the Mac side of things? Chuck On Oct 8, 2004, at 9:32 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: THANK YOU, JARI!!! Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I'll now start to release some of my freeware plug-ins as open source, so anyone with a MacOSX compiler can make a port. I've started with JW System Divider to see how things go. http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/sources/index.html Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plug-ins open source
I should add that a number of us would gladly *pay* for Mac versions of these plugins (that is, if Jari's okay with that). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 02:35 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: If the unbridled generosity of the folks on this list continues unabated, someone will surely step up. Chuck On Oct 8, 2004, at 11:32 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Uh, that would be no, unfortunately. But it means that now the people who do know can now get started. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 02:28 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Darcy, Does this mean that you have the know how to port Jari's plug ins over to the Mac side of things? Chuck On Oct 8, 2004, at 9:32 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: THANK YOU, JARI!!! Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I'll now start to release some of my freeware plug-ins as open source, so anyone with a MacOSX compiler can make a port. I've started with JW System Divider to see how things go. http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/sources/index.html Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plug-ins open source
Sure, me too. Chuck On Oct 8, 2004, at 11:41 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I should add that a number of us would gladly *pay* for Mac versions of these plugins (that is, if Jari's okay with that). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 02:35 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: If the unbridled generosity of the folks on this list continues unabated, someone will surely step up. Chuck On Oct 8, 2004, at 11:32 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Uh, that would be no, unfortunately. But it means that now the people who do know can now get started. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 02:28 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Darcy, Does this mean that you have the know how to port Jari's plug ins over to the Mac side of things? Chuck On Oct 8, 2004, at 9:32 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: THANK YOU, JARI!!! Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I'll now start to release some of my freeware plug-ins as open source, so anyone with a MacOSX compiler can make a port. I've started with JW System Divider to see how things go. http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/sources/index.html Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plug-ins open source
You betcha!! *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Top sign an SUV is too damn big: Backing out of the driveway requires canal locks, four tugboats, a team of engineers, and clearance from the FAA. on 10/8/04 11:41 AM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should add that a number of us would gladly *pay* for Mac versions of these plugins (that is, if Jari's okay with that). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 02:35 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: If the unbridled generosity of the folks on this list continues unabated, someone will surely step up. Chuck On Oct 8, 2004, at 11:32 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Uh, that would be no, unfortunately. But it means that now the people who do know can now get started. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 02:28 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Darcy, Does this mean that you have the know how to port Jari's plug ins over to the Mac side of things? Chuck On Oct 8, 2004, at 9:32 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: THANK YOU, JARI!!! Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I'll now start to release some of my freeware plug-ins as open source, so anyone with a MacOSX compiler can make a port. I've started with JW System Divider to see how things go. http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/sources/index.html Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plug-ins open source
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:41:19 -0400, Darcy James Argue wrote: I should add that a number of us would gladly *pay* for Mac versions of these plugins (that is, if Jari's okay with that). It seems he's not. This is taken from the page he linked to in his announcement: These source code files are released as open source and can be compiled to a Finale(TM) plug-in, with the following remarks/limitations: * This source code is copyright (c) Jari Williamsson, 1999-2004. * You may NOT sell any part of this source code. * If you compile this source to a binary, you may NOT sell that binary. * You may use individual routines from this source in your own projects, as long as your project substantialy differs from the intentions of this source code. * You may NOT use the whole plug-in as a part of your own projects. * You may modify/enhance the code to introduce new features. If you do so, you should publicaly release the source. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plug-ins open source
On Oct 8, 2004, at 1:48 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: It seems he's not. This is taken from the page he linked to in his announcement: These source code files are released as open source and can be compiled to a Finale(TM) plug-in, with the following remarks/limitations: * This source code is copyright (c) Jari Williamsson, 1999-2004. * You may NOT sell any part of this source code. * If you compile this source to a binary, you may NOT sell that binary. * You may use individual routines from this source in your own projects, as long as your project substantialy differs from the intentions of this source code. * You may NOT use the whole plug-in as a part of your own projects. * You may modify/enhance the code to introduce new features. If you do so, you should publicaly release the source. The way I read these restrictions, it wouldn't preclude the possibility of paying someone to do the conversion, so long as the resulting binary is not sold. That is, someone might announce, I'm willing to use my Mac OS X compiler to convert Jari's open source code to create a version of JW plug-ins that will work on Mac. It would be about two hours of work which I'd charge at $20/hr, so if someone pays me $40 I'll do the work. [*] Then if a group of users interested in having the Mac version available pool their money to come up with that $40, the guy would do the conversion and release the Mac version which would then be free to everyone just like Jari stipulates. By my reading, that would be consistent with the letter of the law and Jari's restrictions. I believe it's also consistent with the spirit, but if not, Jari can let us know. mdl (IANAL)) [*] I'm totally making up these figures for time and money. I have no idea how easy or difficult it is to do port the code to Mac. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plug-ins open source
Mark D Lew wrote: On Oct 8, 2004, at 1:48 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: It seems he's not. This is taken from the page he linked to in his announcement: These source code files are released as open source and can be compiled to a Finale(TM) plug-in, with the following remarks/limitations: * This source code is copyright (c) Jari Williamsson, 1999-2004. * You may NOT sell any part of this source code. * If you compile this source to a binary, you may NOT sell that binary. * You may use individual routines from this source in your own projects, as long as your project substantialy differs from the intentions of this source code. * You may NOT use the whole plug-in as a part of your own projects. * You may modify/enhance the code to introduce new features. If you do so, you should publicaly release the source. The way I read these restrictions, it wouldn't preclude the possibility of paying someone to do the conversion, so long as the resulting binary is not sold. That is, someone might announce, I'm willing to use my Mac OS X compiler to convert Jari's open source code to create a version of JW plug-ins that will work on Mac. It would be about two hours of work which I'd charge at $20/hr, so if someone pays me $40 I'll do the work. [*] Then if a group of users interested in having the Mac version available pool their money to come up with that $40, the guy would do the conversion and release the Mac version which would then be free to everyone just like Jari stipulates. By my reading, that would be consistent with the letter of the law and Jari's restrictions. I believe it's also consistent with the spirit, but if not, Jari can let us know. mdl (IANAL)) [*] I'm totally making up these figures for time and money. I have no idea how easy or difficult it is to do port the code to Mac. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale bettery yet: have the code lodged in a repository (like SourceForge) where it can be worked on and the eager Mac users could simply hire someone to contribute to the development of the code. This helps keep the code open, encourages whoever contributes to have their code viewable for comment/suggestions (and the people paying the bill will have the benefit of others seeing what they are paying for), and inspires others to come on board and develop. I think the model of private moneys financing parts of open source projects is going to become more and more in vogue and perhaps smaller contributors (rather than large corporations) can help promote development. Bravo, Jari, for doing this. (I'm not a Mac user, but applaud people who have the wisdom to weave open source into their development plan.) -- John Poole Editions Poole http://www.editionspoole.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
