Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
Indeed, this was one of the first things I tried, with no effect. No, the problem was really with the page break command. As soon as I went to page layout, selected all the systems and chose delete page breaks from the menu, the problem went away. How this came to be in the first place I will probably never know. Thanks for your input. Eric On 03.03.2010, at 20:51, christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Ah, but did you Update Layout while you were on the FIRST page? Finale only updates layout from the page you are on until the end. In some cases if the scroll bar is only nudged a bit right, then update is only from page 2, so hit Home. Christopher - Original Message - From: Eric Fiedler eric.f.fied...@t-online.de Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 12:57 Subject: [Finale] Layout misbehavior To: finale@shsu.edu Ok, I haven't run across this one before: I have a long piece with 8 staves per system and, until today, two systems fit well on one page. Now, suddenly, the systems are arranged in Page View as follows: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | etc. 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | that is, each system appears _twice, once at the bottom, once at the top of the next page. In Scroll View everything is fine, by the way, with no duplications of any kind. Update Layout does nothing (my first thought) and neither does Data Check. In my desperation I finally exported the file via Music XML and imported it again. The result was a document with a _single_ system per page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | and a strange symbol in the upper left corner which looks like the old carriage return sign: |_ In the new file I can't get two systems onto one page, although there's enough room. It would seem that this is being prevented by the carriage return symbol. Can anybody help me with this? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
Ah, but it did, and I haven't the slightest idea why. But selecting all the systems with the Page Layout Tool and selecting delete page breaks from the menu solved the problem, both in the exported/ imported file and in the original version. Probably a case of hitting the wrong key at the wrong time, I suspect. Thanks for your input. Eric On 03.03.2010, at 21:16, SN jef chippewa wrote: thta is strange, sounds like a case of update layout not being performed, the page break should NOT cause this. Yes, there too (I just learned), but also (inside a small page icon with a bent-over corner) in the page Layout menu signifying a page break, which _was_ the problem. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
Eric Fiedler wrote: How this came to be in the first place I will probably never know. This is one of the reasons I always work on a copy of a file, especially an old file, and not on the original. Then, when confronted with this situation (or others of a similar class), by looking at the original file, I have a better chance of seeing the unexplained behavior in its native environment, and have a better chance of understanding why the behavior was there in the first place. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
On 03.03.2010, at 19:07, Richard Yates wrote: Is there a page break inserted in the layout in the middle of the system? The symbol on the reimported MusicWML file certainly suggests this. But how _does_ one make a page break between systems (I've just looked in vain in the on-line help)... and how can I get rid of it? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
On 03.03.2010, at 19:49, Eric Fiedler wrote: On 03.03.2010, at 19:07, Richard Yates wrote: Is there a page break inserted in the layout in the middle of the system? The symbol on the reimported MusicWML file certainly suggests this. But how _does_ one make a page break between systems (I've just looked in vain in the on-line help)... and how can I get rid of it? Eric Found it! (in the Page Layout-Menu, naturally) And there was indeed a page break between the systems, which I have now dissolved. But how did it get there in the first place??? Thanks for the tip! Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
Found it! (in the Page Layout-Menu, naturally) And there was indeed a page break between the systems, which I have now dissolved. But how did it get there in the first place??? Sibelius hackers. Thanks for the tip! Thanks for the chance to show that my memory has not completely deteriorated! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
Yes, there too (I just learned), but also (inside a small page icon with a bent-over corner) in the page Layout menu signifying a page break, which _was_ the problem. Thanks for your input. Eric On 03.03.2010, at 19:16, Doug Walter wrote: Not sure about the duplicate systems (I would have thought Update Layout was the solution), but I believe the carriage return symbol appears when, in the Measure Attributes dialog for one particular measure, the box Begin a New Staff System is checked. Doug On Mar 3, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Richard Yates wrote: I think I've seen this but don't quite remember what was going on. Is there a page break inserted in the layout in the middle of the system? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Fiedler Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:38 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Layout misbehavior Ok, I haven't run across this one before: I have a long piece with 8 staves per system and, until today, two systems fit well on one page. Now, suddenly, the systems are arranged in Page View as follows: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | etc. 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | that is, each system appears _twice, once at the bottom, once at the top of the next page. In Scroll View everything is fine, by the way, with no duplications of any kind. Update Layout does nothing (my first thought) and neither does Data Check. In my desperation I finally exported the file via Music XML and imported it again. The result was a document with a _single_ system per page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | and a strange symbol in the upper left corner which looks like the old carriage return sign: |_ In the new file I can't get two systems onto one page, although there's enough room. It would seem that this is being prevented by the carriage return symbol. Can anybody help me with this? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
you might also simply not have updated the layout ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
Ah, but did you Update Layout while you were on the FIRST page? Finale only updates layout from the page you are on until the end. In some cases if the scroll bar is only nudged a bit right, then update is only from page 2, so hit Home. Christopher - Original Message - From: Eric Fiedler eric.f.fied...@t-online.de Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 12:57 Subject: [Finale] Layout misbehavior To: finale@shsu.edu Ok, I haven't run across this one before: I have a long piece with 8 staves per system and, until today, two systems fit well on one page. Now, suddenly, the systems are arranged in Page View as follows: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | etc. 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | that is, each system appears _twice, once at the bottom, once at the top of the next page. In Scroll View everything is fine, by the way, with no duplications of any kind. Update Layout does nothing (my first thought) and neither does Data Check. In my desperation I finally exported the file via Music XML and imported it again. The result was a document with a _single_ system per page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | and a strange symbol in the upper left corner which looks like the old carriage return sign: |_ In the new file I can't get two systems onto one page, although there's enough room. It would seem that this is being prevented by the carriage return symbol. Can anybody help me with this? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
thta is strange, sounds like a case of update layout not being performed, the page break should NOT cause this. Yes, there too (I just learned), but also (inside a small page icon with a bent-over corner) in the page Layout menu signifying a page break, which _was_ the problem. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
