Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[Phil Daley]

At 8/18/2005 03:58 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:

>It was a bad design, in my opinion, and the vast majority of PC users
>can't use it reliably, and therefore don't.
>
>There are too main reasons for this:
>
>1. they don't understand files and folders -- there is no conceptual
>model in their heads for it.

I agree, my wife cannot fathom what folders or directories are and where to 
find anything.


>2. they aren't good enough at mousing or keyboarding to be able to
>accurately use Explorer for managing files.

I also agree with that.

>There is, of course, a third reason, and that's that they just don't
>care -- as long as their files are where they expect them, they are
>happy.

Yes, exactly.

Excellent points.
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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[David W. Fenton]

On 18 Aug 2005 at 16:30, A-NO-NE Music wrote:

> David W. Fenton / 2005/08/18 / 04:16 PM wrote:
> 
> >I don't use these much in Explorer, but I do use them a lot in the
> >Registry Editor (but most people don't have much call to use
> >RegEdit).
> 
> I just hit F3 in RegEdit :-)

Well, FIND works well if there's a single instance of what you're 
looking for, but if you want to get to something like the RUN line, 
you'll possible end up at the wrong one (there could be anywhere from 
3 such entries on up, depending on the number of users who've logged 
onto the machine).

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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[A-NO-NE Music]

David W. Fenton / 2005/08/18 / 04:16 PM wrote:

>I don't use these much in Explorer, but I do use them a lot in the 
>Registry Editor (but most people don't have much call to use 
>RegEdit).


I just hit F3 in RegEdit :-)


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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[David W. Fenton]

On 18 Aug 2005 at 5:04, Richard Yates wrote:

> Wow! How long has that been there? . . .

It's always been there. The - on the keypad collapses a tree.

I don't use these much in Explorer, but I do use them a lot in the 
Registry Editor (but most people don't have much call to use 
RegEdit).

> . . . Could be very useful
> although it doesn't do anything in Open and Save dbs. . . .

Well, you do know that you can change view from your default view 
(which is likely to be filenames only) to the Details view, using the 
icons up in the upper right of the dialog (depending on whether or 
not the application programmer decided to include them). 

Also, for navigating the "Look In" dropdown, remember that F4 is the 
keyboard shortcut for dropping a dropdown list, and in the standard 
Windows File Open dialog, as long as the focus is not in another 
dropdown (such as the Files of Type dropdown), F4 is mapped to drop 
the Look In list. You can then navigate the Look In hierarchy with 
the keyboard, using ENTER to select a folder, then TAB to the list of 
files.

I know that many people find this whole UI confusing, and I agree. 
But it is a significant improvement over the Win16 file open dialog.

I'd like to see a redesign of the File dialog APIs to account for the 
fact that we now have larger screen resolutions. When the File dialog 
APIs we are now accustomed to were written, 640x480 was all you could 
count on, and thus the dialogs are sized to reflect that. This makes 
them way too small at modern resolutions. Somewhere along the line, 
they added the resizability triangle (lower right corner) as a 
standard feature, but this only partly solves the problem.

> . . . Also, for some
> reason, when I expand a directory this way I also have a 'Sign in with
> Microsoft Passport Network box popup (???)

I've never understood why so many people installed MSN Explorer. 
Seems to me that Microsoft was purposefully using deceptive practices 
by naming so many things with the "Explorer" moniker in order to 
confuse people into thinking that MSN Explorer was an upgrade to 
Internet Explorer (or Windows Explorer) instead the client for an 
online service.

It's possible that's not the reason you're getting that popup, but 
it's the most common one I've run into. If you're not an MSN user, I 
see no reason to have MSN components installed, including MSN 
Messenger, which is actually rather tricky to get rid of (depending 
on the version involved).

I wish there were something out there that would help a Windows user 
manage Explorer Shell add-ins. I see dozens of them listed in my 
Windows Registry, most of which I have no use for whatsoever, and I'd 
like to have some way to figure out what they are doing and who 
installed them. 

This is also one of chief vectors for spyware, installing as an 
Explorer Shell add-in, and is why many of them are so hard to get rid 
of. I just tried Googling to see if there are any tools for managing 
Shell extensions, but it's impossible to define a search that the 
doesn't just return thousands of Shell extensions. *sigh*

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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[David W. Fenton]

On 18 Aug 2005 at 7:47, Phil Daley wrote:

> At 8/17/2005 11:54 PM, Richard Yates wrote:
> 
> .>While I am writing about Explorer, the two-pane, click to open a
> folder in
>  >the other pane, click that  folder, etc to be quite tedious,
>  especially when >using an application to open files in one folder and
>  then save them in >another where the source and destination folders
>  are several layers deep. >There must be a better way, maybe something
>  that functions more like the >Start-programs where the submenus fly
>  out with mouse rollover. It would be >much faster to navigate up and
>  down. Or even an Explorer view that shows the >whole tree - or as
>  many expanded levels as possible - all at once. You could >just go
>  where you wanted without all of that clicking up and down a tree.
> .
> With NUMLOCK ON, select a drive or directory in Explorer, press the
> asterisk key on the numerical keypad.
> 
> This will expand everything from there on down.

While that certainly helps, it still doesn't make it easy to navigate 
a long list of folders (in some cases) or make it easily to 
accurately drag and drop.

It was a bad design, in my opinion, and the vast majority of PC users 
can't use it reliably, and therefore don't.

There are too main reasons for this:

1. they don't understand files and folders -- there is no conceptual 
model in their heads for it.

2. they aren't good enough at mousing or keyboarding to be able to 
accurately use Explorer for managing files.

There is, of course, a third reason, and that's that they just don't 
care -- as long as their files are where they expect them, they are 
happy. If they entirely accept default settings, they'll end up with 
gazillions of files in My Documents, but for some reason, browsing 
through 3,000 files doesn't seem to bother a lot of people.

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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[David W. Fenton]

On 17 Aug 2005 at 20:54, Richard Yates wrote:

> > And I'm criticizing the hierarchical view that is in the folder pane
> > because it groups at the same level in the hierarchy things that are
> > not by any stretch of the imagination the same things (except
> > insofar as Windows Explorer's presentation forces you to treat them
> > as though they belong at the same level of the hierarchy).
> 
> Do you mean things like My Documents at the same level as My Computer
> even though the documents are all in the computer. I always thought
> that was counterintuitive.

That's precisely the problem, but only one of many examples.

> While I am writing about Explorer, the two-pane, click to open a
> folder in the other pane, click that  folder, etc to be quite tedious,
> especially when using an application to open files in one folder and
> then save them in another where the source and destination folders are
> several layers deep. There must be a better way, maybe something that
> functions more like the Start-programs where the submenus fly out with
> mouse rollover. It would be much faster to navigate up and down. Or
> even an Explorer view that shows the whole tree - or as many expanded
> levels as possible - all at once. You could just go where you wanted
> without all of that clicking up and down a tree.

Well, were you aware that you can use COPY/CUT/PASTE to copy and move 
files? Highlight a file, hit Ctrl-X (cor Cut), move to the 
destination, and then hit Ctrl-V (for Paste), and the file is moved, 
just like it would be with text.

I hardly ever drag and drop in Explorer, except between subfolders 
below the starting level of the hierarchy (i.e., if I'm viewing the 
Finale folder, I'd drag and drop into the Libraries folder, since 
it's beneath the starting level; anything that is outside the Finale 
folder, I'd use the keyboard shortcuts for Copy/Cut/Paste).

I also find that when walking clients through file management tasks 
on the phone that the keyboard shortcuts (or right clicking) are much 
more successful than dragging and dropping, mostly because it's 
tricky to get the destination.

Of course, the other alternative is to open two instances of Windows 
Explorer, and set one to your source and the other to your 
destination and then work that way.

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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

At 07:47 AM 8/18/05 -0400, Phil Daley wrote:
>With NUMLOCK ON, select a drive or directory in Explorer, press the 
>asterisk key on the numerical keypad.

I didn't know that one. I did it with Arby (my computer) selected and it
took only 3 minutes to open up every drive and directory on the machine and
all the mapped drives and directories on my home LAN. Way cool.

(Makes me glad I have them thar firewalls and virus checkers.)

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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[Richard Yates]

Thanks, Phil. Wow! How long has that been there? Could be very useful
although it doesn't do anything in Open and Save dbs. Also, for some reason,
when I expand a directory this way I also have a 'Sign in with Microsoft
Passport Network box popup (???)

Richard Yates

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Daley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Richard Yates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...


> At 8/17/2005 11:54 PM, Richard Yates wrote:
>
> .>While I am writing about Explorer, the two-pane, click to open a folder
in
>  >the other pane, click that  folder, etc to be quite tedious, especially
when
>  >using an application to open files in one folder and then save them in
>  >another where the source and destination folders are several layers
deep.
>  >There must be a better way, maybe something that functions more like the
>  >Start-programs where the submenus fly out with mouse rollover. It would
be
>  >much faster to navigate up and down. Or even an Explorer view that shows
the
>  >whole tree - or as many expanded levels as possible - all at once. You
could
>  >just go where you wanted without all of that clicking up and down a
tree.
> .
> With NUMLOCK ON, select a drive or directory in Explorer, press the
> asterisk key on the numerical keypad.
>
> This will expand everything from there on down.
>
> Phil Daley  < AutoDesk >
> http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley
>
>
>
>


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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[Phil Daley]

At 8/17/2005 11:54 PM, Richard Yates wrote:

.>While I am writing about Explorer, the two-pane, click to open a folder in
>the other pane, click that  folder, etc to be quite tedious, especially when
>using an application to open files in one folder and then save them in
>another where the source and destination folders are several layers deep.
>There must be a better way, maybe something that functions more like the
>Start-programs where the submenus fly out with mouse rollover. It would be
>much faster to navigate up and down. Or even an Explorer view that shows the
>whole tree - or as many expanded levels as possible - all at once. You could
>just go where you wanted without all of that clicking up and down a tree.
.
With NUMLOCK ON, select a drive or directory in Explorer, press the 
asterisk key on the numerical keypad.


This will expand everything from there on down.
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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[Richard Yates]

> And I'm criticizing the hierarchical view that is in the folder pane
> because it groups at the same level in the hierarchy things that are
> not by any stretch of the imagination the same things (except insofar
> as Windows Explorer's presentation forces you to treat them as though
> they belong at the same level of the hierarchy).

Do you mean things like My Documents at the same level as My Computer even
though the documents are all in the computer. I always thought that was
counterintuitive.

While I am writing about Explorer, the two-pane, click to open a folder in
the other pane, click that  folder, etc to be quite tedious, especially when
using an application to open files in one folder and then save them in
another where the source and destination folders are several layers deep.
There must be a better way, maybe something that functions more like the
Start-programs where the submenus fly out with mouse rollover. It would be
much faster to navigate up and down. Or even an Explorer view that shows the
whole tree - or as many expanded levels as possible - all at once. You could
just go where you wanted without all of that clicking up and down a tree.

Richard Yates


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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[David W. Fenton]

On 17 Aug 2005 at 14:42, Phil Daley wrote:

> At 8/17/2005 01:51 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
> 
> > No. My Computer is an Explorer view without the Folder Pane. You can
> > make it look like what you get when you run Explorer.exe by going to
> > the View menu and choosing to display the Folder Pane (under the
> > poorly-named Explorer Bar menu choice). 
> >
> > I mean what you get when you open Windows Explorer, as it is given on 
> > the Start Menu of every version of Windows since Win95, and what you
> > get when you launch Explorer.exe and what you get when you hit 
> > Windows Key-E. 
> >
> > That is, the standard Windows Explorer view.
> 
> Not on my system.
> 
> You are misunderstanding.
> 
> You can set the default view to explore, not open.
> 
> When I type "explorer" in run or click the "explorer" icon or hit
> windows "key-e", I always get the 2 pane view.

That's exactly what I said.

My Computer (the icon on the desktop) doesn't open with the folder 
pane (though you can easily get it back).

The other three methods of launching Windows Explorer have the 2-pane 
view.

Which is EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.

That 2-pane view that you are calling the default is what I was 
talking about all along. You're the one who threw in the My Computer 
red herring.

And I'm criticizing the hierarchical view that is in the folder pane 
because it groups at the same level in the hierarchy things that are 
not by any stretch of the imagination the same things (except insofar 
as Windows Explorer's presentation forces you to treat them as though 
they belong at the same level of the hierarchy). 

I made this criticism when Win95 came out (and I wasn't by any means 
the only person to level it), and it has been worsened by Microsoft's 
practice of throwing more and more things into that top level of the 
hierarchy.

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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[Phil Daley]

At 8/17/2005 01:51 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:

>No. My Computer is an Explorer view without the Folder Pane. You can
>make it look like what you get when you run Explorer.exe by going to
>the View menu and choosing to display the Folder Pane (under the
>poorly-named Explorer Bar menu choice).
>
>I mean what you get when you open Windows Explorer, as it is given on
>the Start Menu of every version of Windows since Win95, and what you
>get when you launch Explorer.exe and what you get when you hit
>Windows Key-E.
>
>That is, the standard Windows Explorer view.

Not on my system.

You are misunderstanding.

You can set the default view to explore, not open.

When I type "explorer" in run or click the "explorer" icon or hit windows 
"key-e", I always get the 2 pane view.


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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[David W. Fenton]

On 17 Aug 2005 at 6:46, Phil Daley wrote:

> At 8/16/2005 05:19 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
> 
>  >When I got my first Win95 PC, I was very disappointed with Windows
>  >Explorer in the beginning and tried using File Manager for a while,
>  >but once I started accumulating long file names, it became
>  impossible >to use. I eventually got used to the single hierarchy for
>  your entire >computer (even though I still think it's conceptually
>  wrong, and the >wrongness has been vastly increased in later versions
>  of Windows >Explorer).
> 
> What do you mean by "single hierarchy".
> 
> If you right click "My Computer" and choose Open, you get a single
> pane that is useless.  Is that what you mean?

No. My Computer is an Explorer view without the Folder Pane. You can 
make it look like what you get when you run Explorer.exe by going to 
the View menu and choosing to display the Folder Pane (under the 
poorly-named Explorer Bar menu choice).

I mean what you get when you open Windows Explorer, as it is given on 
the Start Menu of every version of Windows since Win95, and what you 
get when you launch Explorer.exe and what you get when you hit 
Windows Key-E.

That is, the standard Windows Explorer view.

> I always use Explore (and set that as the default) so that you get 2
> panes, one with drives and directories and the other with files.
> 
> Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you want.

Yes, as usual, you're misunderstanding.

But what you've identified is, in fact, the view that is problematic. 
In the Folder pane at the left, lots of things that aren't really 
alike are placed in a single hierarchy. And it's confusing and hard 
for most people to use. And it's been made much worse in later 
versions of Windows, which make it harder still to navigate to your 
hard drives.

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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[Phil Daley]

At 8/16/2005 05:19 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:

>When I got my first Win95 PC, I was very disappointed with Windows
>Explorer in the beginning and tried using File Manager for a while,
>but once I started accumulating long file names, it became impossible
>to use. I eventually got used to the single hierarchy for your entire
>computer (even though I still think it's conceptually wrong, and the
>wrongness has been vastly increased in later versions of Windows
>Explorer).

What do you mean by "single hierarchy".

If you right click "My Computer" and choose Open, you get a single pane 
that is useless.  Is that what you mean?


I always use Explore (and set that as the default) so that you get 2 panes, 
one with drives and directories and the other with files.


Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you want.
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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[Owain Sutton]

On 16/08/05, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


There is no real analog to Program Manager in Win95 and all later
versions of Windows, which would perhaps make my Windows analog even
more wrong than the Mac example.


Well, none that is intended to be used, anyway. "progman.exe" still
exists in 9x version of Windows (and possibly Windows 2000, but not
XP), and you can run it the same way you used to in Win3.





Progman is still there in XP, although SP2 disabled it (or at least 
that's what I've been able to find out).  I've found it in 
\WINDOWS\$NtServicePackUninstall$ and can run it from there, should I 
ever see the need.

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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[David W. Fenton]

On 16 Aug 2005 at 13:31, Brad Beyenhof wrote:

> On 16/08/05, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There is no real analog to Program Manager in Win95 and all later
> > versions of Windows, which would perhaps make my Windows analog even
> > more wrong than the Mac example.
> 
> Well, none that is intended to be used, anyway. "progman.exe" still
> exists in 9x version of Windows (and possibly Windows 2000, but not
> XP), and you can run it the same way you used to in Win3.

I think it (and Winfile.exe) were included in Win95 (don't know about 
Win98 -- never ran it myself), but they were not recommended, because 
they were 16-bit programs and did not understand long filenames, if 
I'm remembering correctly.

When I got my first Win95 PC, I was very disappointed with Windows 
Explorer in the beginning and tried using File Manager for a while, 
but once I started accumulating long file names, it became impossible 
to use. I eventually got used to the single hierarchy for your entire 
computer (even though I still think it's conceptually wrong, and the 
wrongness has been vastly increased in later versions of Windows 
Explorer).

I note, also, that my Win2K PC has progman.exe on it, and it's 
clearly not an artifact of the upgrade from NT 4 (it's in both the 
original NT 4 Windows folder, over top of which I originally 
upgraded, and in the fresh Win2K folder that I later installed from 
scratch). I can't tell for sure by looking if it's a 32-bit app or 
not, but the dialogs definitely appear to be calling Win32 instead of 
Win16 APIs, based on appearance, and it understands long filenames.

I'm not sure why it has been included all these years, except, 
perhaps to support legacy programs. I do know that most Win3.x 
programs do *not* create program manager groups, but instead standard 
Start Menu program groups, so I always assumed that Win16 had been 
altered to redirect old-style Win3.x program group creation commands 
to Windows Explorer instead of to whatever APIs created Program 
Manager groups. If that is the case, I'm not certain why Program 
Manager would be needed for backwards compatibility, except, I guess, 
to support legacy programs that somehow hardwired use of Program 
Manager. 

If I were Microsoft, that's the kind of legacy program I'd allow to 
fail, but, clearly, that isn't the kind of company Microsoft is in 
regards to providing backward compatibility.

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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[David W. Fenton]

On 16 Aug 2005 at 8:56, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

> At 09:59 PM 8/15/05 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >On 15 Aug 2005 at 21:43, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> >
> >> At 10:28 PM 8/15/05 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
> >> >http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=124053
> >> 
> >> For some of us Windows users, can you explain the funny bits?
> >
> >Well, if it were a Windows error message with correspondingly out-of-
> >date advice, it would tell you to do something with Program Manager.
> 
> I'm so numb to all these little names, it took me a while to realize
> that this was old Windows 3 stuff. My icon is renamed "File Lists."

Well, "File Lists" is not the same as Program Manager. Windows 
Explorer is something of a combination of Program Manager and File 
Manager in Win3.x. File Manager was basically what you see in Windows 
Explorer, but Program Manager was the program that provided the 
functionality that you see on the desktop and in the program groups 
that make up the Start menu. There is no real analog to Program 
Manager in Win95 and all later versions of Windows, which would 
perhaps make my Windows analog even more wrong than the Mac example.

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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

At 09:59 PM 8/15/05 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
>On 15 Aug 2005 at 21:43, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
>
>> At 10:28 PM 8/15/05 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
>> >http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=124053
>> 
>> For some of us Windows users, can you explain the funny bits?
>
>Well, if it were a Windows error message with correspondingly out-of-
>date advice, it would tell you to do something with Program Manager.

I'm so numb to all these little names, it took me a while to realize that
this was old Windows 3 stuff. My icon is renamed "File Lists."

Duh for me,
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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[David W. Fenton]

On 15 Aug 2005 at 21:43, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

> At 10:28 PM 8/15/05 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
> >http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=124053
> 
> For some of us Windows users, can you explain the funny bits?

Well, if it were a Windows error message with correspondingly out-of-
date advice, it would tell you to do something with Program Manager.

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Re: [Finale] Little joke for MacFinale users...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

At 10:28 PM 8/15/05 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
>http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=124053

For some of us Windows users, can you explain the funny bits?

Dennis


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