Re: [Finale] MUTES
Chuck Israels wrote: On Aug 30, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: Carl, That's the SoftSynth, and it's (ostensibly, at least) a harmon mute. Ah. Doesn't much sound like one, does it? Do the GPO samples sound any better for Big Band, or does that require a separate purchase? Carl, It's separate, (Garritan Big Band, I mean) as Darcy says, and some of the instruments sound halfway decent. I like the rhythm section sounds pretty well, and the brass is tolerable (there are mutes, and plunger effects built in), flute and clarinet are OK, but the least successful are the saxophone sounds. If you're looking for a sketch tool, it's not bad - better than the charcoal sketch the police use to catch a suspect. Trouble with all of these is that as they get better, you only realize more acutely how little they resemble human music. My 2c. I hear you. One of the solutions I've found that works is one of the most expensive, both in terms of time and money: Tom Kubis plays all of the parts into his system, using a wind controller. But with just a synth and no human input, all youre going to get is a rough idea. Then again, that's usually enough to spot mistakes, which is what I use it for. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
On Aug 30, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: Carl, That's the SoftSynth, and it's (ostensibly, at least) a harmon mute. Ah. Doesn't much sound like one, does it? Do the GPO samples sound any better for Big Band, or does that require a separate purchase? Carl, It's separate, (Garritan Big Band, I mean) as Darcy says, and some of the instruments sound halfway decent. I like the rhythm section sounds pretty well, and the brass is tolerable (there are mutes, and plunger effects built in), flute and clarinet are OK, but the least successful are the saxophone sounds. If you're looking for a sketch tool, it's not bad - better than the charcoal sketch the police use to catch a suspect. Trouble with all of these is that as they get better, you only realize more acutely how little they resemble human music. My 2c. Chuck cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
Garritan Jazz and Big Band is a separate purchase. No JABB instruments are (currently) included with Finale. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 30 Aug 2006, at 9:50 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: Carl, That's the SoftSynth, and it's (ostensibly, at least) a harmon mute. Ah. Doesn't much sound like one, does it? Do the GPO samples sound any better for Big Band, or does that require a separate purchase? cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
Darcy James Argue wrote: Carl, That's the SoftSynth, and it's (ostensibly, at least) a harmon mute. Ah. Doesn't much sound like one, does it? Do the GPO samples sound any better for Big Band, or does that require a separate purchase? cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
Carl, That's the SoftSynth, and it's (ostensibly, at least) a harmon mute. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 30 Aug 2006, at 9:02 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, I"m writing a band piece. I want the trp. to playback with the sound of a straight mute. Es possible? I've read a bunch in the manual, but can't seem to come up with an answer. I'm in MacFin07. I think they advertised that it could be done. There is (at least on my WinFin04) a patch for "Muted trumpet" which sounds like a straight mute. Just assign the patch change to the expression and it should play back all right. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, I"m writing a band piece. I want the trp. to playback with the sound of a straight mute. Es possible? I've read a bunch in the manual, but can't seem to come up with an answer. I'm in MacFin07. I think they advertised that it could be done. There is (at least on my WinFin04) a patch for "Muted trumpet" which sounds like a straight mute. Just assign the patch change to the expression and it should play back all right. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
Oh, I see. I guess I was scanning it so fast, that I didn't process that which was before me. It certainly would not have been the first time. Anyhoo, thanks for checking. I appreciate it. Dean On Aug 30, 2006, at 1:41 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 04:26 PM 8/30/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: >Sorry again ... I meant I wanted the sound of a muted tpt., not the >mute button in the instrument list window. I understood what you meant. But you said it was something in the marketing for the Kontakt 2 player that made you think of it. I went to that page just to see what it said, and that was the only thing that said anything about 'mute'. So I wanted to make sure that wasn't what had tripped you up. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
At 04:26 PM 8/30/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: >Sorry again ... I meant I wanted the sound of a muted tpt., not the >mute button in the instrument list window. I understood what you meant. But you said it was something in the marketing for the Kontakt 2 player that made you think of it. I went to that page just to see what it said, and that was the only thing that said anything about 'mute'. So I wanted to make sure that wasn't what had tripped you up. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
A ha Thanks, Dean On Aug 30, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Dean, The instructions Carolyn gave you were for the SoftSynth, which does include a (harmon) muted trumpet. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 30 Aug 2006, at 4:14 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Carolyn: Apparently that option is only available in Full GPO ... thanks anyway. Dean On Aug 30, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Carolyn Bremer wrote: In the expression for the mute, you can go to the playback tab and choose the straight mute sound. When you mark open at the end of the passage, use the playback tab to choose the original patch. -Carolyn On 8/30/06, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, I"m writing a band piece. I want the trp. to playback with the sound of a straight mute. Es possible? I've read a bunch in the manual, but can't seem to come up with an answer. I'm in MacFin07. I think they advertised that it could be done. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
Dean, The instructions Carolyn gave you were for the SoftSynth, which does include a (harmon) muted trumpet. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 30 Aug 2006, at 4:14 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Carolyn: Apparently that option is only available in Full GPO ... thanks anyway. Dean On Aug 30, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Carolyn Bremer wrote: In the expression for the mute, you can go to the playback tab and choose the straight mute sound. When you mark open at the end of the passage, use the playback tab to choose the original patch. -Carolyn On 8/30/06, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, I"m writing a band piece. I want the trp. to playback with the sound of a straight mute. Es possible? I've read a bunch in the manual, but can't seem to come up with an answer. I'm in MacFin07. I think they advertised that it could be done. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
Sorry again ... I meant I wanted the sound of a muted tpt., not the mute button in the instrument list window. Dean On Aug 30, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 04:08 PM 8/30/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: >Yeah, I was afraid of that. Yes, I'm in Fin GPO ... sorry about that. >Something I read in the promo stuff for the new Kontakt 2 player in >2007 made me think it was possible. Do you mean "Instrument mute and solo for easy sound referencing"? That's got nothing to do with mutes; it's just like the mute and solo buttons in the Instrument List window. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
At 04:08 PM 8/30/2006, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: >Yeah, I was afraid of that. Yes, I'm in Fin GPO ... sorry about that. >Something I read in the promo stuff for the new Kontakt 2 player in >2007 made me think it was possible. Do you mean "Instrument mute and solo for easy sound referencing"? That's got nothing to do with mutes; it's just like the mute and solo buttons in the Instrument List window. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
Carolyn: Apparently that option is only available in Full GPO ... thanks anyway. Dean On Aug 30, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Carolyn Bremer wrote: In the expression for the mute, you can go to the playback tab and choose the straight mute sound. When you mark open at the end of the passage, use the playback tab to choose the original patch. -Carolyn On 8/30/06, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, I"m writing a band piece. I want the trp. to playback with the sound of a straight mute. Es possible? I've read a bunch in the manual, but can't seem to come up with an answer. I'm in MacFin07. I think they advertised that it could be done. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
Yeah, I was afraid of that. Yes, I'm in Fin GPO ... sorry about that. Something I read in the promo stuff for the new Kontakt 2 player in 2007 made me think it was possible. Thanks, Dean On Aug 30, 2006, at 12:45 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Dean, You really need to remember to provide context for your questions -- for instance, in this case, before anyone can answer your question, we need to know whether you are using Finale's SoftSynth, GPO Finale Edition, GPO Full, or some other soundfont or instrument set. Assuming you are using GPO Finale Edition, there is no muted trumpet including in this instrument set. This is one of the instruments you get when you upgrade to GPO Full. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 30 Aug 2006, at 3:28 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dean, I don't know how this works with the Finale's included GPO samples, but with the Garritan Big Band files, you simply load in a KS (Key Switch) trumpet sample on the staff in question and Finale "reads" the Str. Mute expression and changes the sound. (It also changes back to normal on seeing "Open") I suspect that, if Finale says you can do this, you can find a similar sample in their library. Chuck On Aug 30, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, I"m writing a band piece. I want the trp. to playback with the sound of a straight mute. Es possible? I've read a bunch in the manual, but can't seem to come up with an answer. I'm in MacFin07. I think they advertised that it could be done. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
Dean, You really need to remember to provide context for your questions -- for instance, in this case, before anyone can answer your question, we need to know whether you are using Finale's SoftSynth, GPO Finale Edition, GPO Full, or some other soundfont or instrument set. Assuming you are using GPO Finale Edition, there is no muted trumpet including in this instrument set. This is one of the instruments you get when you upgrade to GPO Full. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 30 Aug 2006, at 3:28 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dean, I don't know how this works with the Finale's included GPO samples, but with the Garritan Big Band files, you simply load in a KS (Key Switch) trumpet sample on the staff in question and Finale "reads" the Str. Mute expression and changes the sound. (It also changes back to normal on seeing "Open") I suspect that, if Finale says you can do this, you can find a similar sample in their library. Chuck On Aug 30, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, I"m writing a band piece. I want the trp. to playback with the sound of a straight mute. Es possible? I've read a bunch in the manual, but can't seem to come up with an answer. I'm in MacFin07. I think they advertised that it could be done. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
Dean, I don't know how this works with the Finale's included GPO samples, but with the Garritan Big Band files, you simply load in a KS (Key Switch) trumpet sample on the staff in question and Finale "reads" the Str. Mute expression and changes the sound. (It also changes back to normal on seeing "Open") I suspect that, if Finale says you can do this, you can find a similar sample in their library. Chuck On Aug 30, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, I"m writing a band piece. I want the trp. to playback with the sound of a straight mute. Es possible? I've read a bunch in the manual, but can't seem to come up with an answer. I'm in MacFin07. I think they advertised that it could be done. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MUTES
In the expression for the mute, you can go to the playback tab and choose the straight mute sound. When you mark open at the end of the passage, use the playback tab to choose the original patch. -Carolyn On 8/30/06, Dean M. Estabrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, I"m writing a band piece. I want the trp. to playback with the sound of a straight mute. Es possible? I've read a bunch in the manual, but can't seem to come up with an answer. I'm in MacFin07. I think they advertised that it could be done. Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
