Re: [Finale] OT: orchestral piece for education

2010-04-18 Thread John Howell

At 6:54 PM +1000 4/18/10, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote:

Dear listers,

Something different: I'm racking my brains to give my 1st year 
beginner music theory students a public domain orchestra piece that 
is a good demonstration of the different instrument families of the 
orchestra and introductory score reading.


My first thought was perhaps Jupiter from The Planets, or maybe 
something from The Nutcracker, but are there any other suggestions?


Why public domain, if you don't mind my asking?  Benjamin Britten's 
Young Person's Guide was designed for exactly that!


But you can find good material in a lot of Tchaikovsky.  The 
pizzicato ostinato movement of one of his symphonies (sorry, but I 
can't remember which one) is a beautiful example of contrasting the 
plucked strings, woodwinds, and brass sections, each with its own 
very fitting themes and motives.


And of course his 5/4 waltz movement from another symphony is a 
masterpiece of non-standard meter, alternating 3+2 with 2+3 
throughout, that was unequalled until Brubeck's Take 5!


I'm not at all sure that The Planets would be my first choice, but 
we're presently preparing both Mars and Jupiter in concert band 
transcriptions, so that's the sound that's in my ears.


And you might check with the people at W.W. Norton publishers.  They 
have a CD (or maybe DVD) with excellent excerpts of individual 
instruments, although I'm not sure about sections, and if nothing 
else you might be able to get a listing of the excerpts they chose.


All the best,
John


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Re: [Finale] OT: orchestral piece for education

2010-04-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Apr 2010 at 14:14, John Howell wrote:

 And of course his 5/4 waltz movement from another symphony is a 
 masterpiece of non-standard meter, alternating 3+2 with 2+3 
 throughout, that was unequalled until Brubeck's Take 5!

I don't know the exact level of the orchestra that this was asked 
for, but I recently heard a recording of a live performance of 
Tchaikovsky's 6th that gave me pause. It was the Gustavo Dudamel's 
Simon Bolivar Youth Orchestra under the baton of Claudio Abaddo. It 
was a very nice sound, really crisp playing in the strings, excellent 
contributions from all other sections, too. 

But in the 5/4 waltz, they really didn't get it. Perhaps it was 
Abbado's fault, but I attribute it to youth. It's complicated getting 
the right feel for that piece. It's not quite the old Viennese waltz 
distortion of the rhythm, but there's something of that required to 
make it come off the page, seems to me.

So, that was an extremely accomplished youth orchestra, and it was 
difficult for me to listen to it. I shudder to think what a beginner 
group would do to it!

Of course, they have to start learning the subtleties of style 
somewhere, so as teaching piece, it might be very good. Not sure I'd 
want to hear a performance, though!

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Re: [Finale] OT: orchestral piece for education

2010-04-18 Thread Noel Stoutenburg

Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote:

Dear listers,

Something different: I'm racking my brains to give my 1st year beginner
music theory students a public domain orchestra piece that is a good
demonstration of the different instrument families of the orchestra and
introductory score reading.

My first thought was perhaps Jupiter from The Planets, or maybe
something from The Nutcracker, but are there any other suggestions?


Saint Saens, Carnival of the Animals.

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Re: [Finale] OT: orchestral piece for education

2010-04-18 Thread Noel Stoutenburg

Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote:



Something different: I'm racking my brains to give my 1st year beginner
music theory students a public domain orchestra piece that is a good
demonstration of the different instrument families of the orchestra and
introductory score reading.



Since you're in Australia, and since Prokofiev died in 1953, Peter and 
the Wolf is also in the public domain.


ns
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