Re: [Finale] natural+sharp before the same note

2008-10-03 Thread arabushk
When we played the Borodin 2nd Symphony in my community orchestra years
ago we had the natural-plus-sharp to cancel a double sharp notation on
several occasions. Confused the hell out of a lot of people (as did some
of those unexpected trans-caucasian augmented intervals!).

ajr

 At 5:00 PM +0200 10/2/08, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
After an f## I would like to display a natural and a single sharp on
the same note, is this possible in Finale?

 I can't swear to this, but does not a single sharp cancel a double
 sharp?  (Or, of course, a single flat cancel a double flat?)

 John


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Re: [Finale] natural+sharp before the same note

2008-10-03 Thread dhbailey

John Howell wrote:

At 5:00 PM +0200 10/2/08, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
After an f## I would like to display a natural and a single sharp on 
the same note, is this possible in Finale?


I can't swear to this, but does not a single sharp cancel a double 
sharp?  (Or, of course, a single flat cancel a double flat?)


John




Older editions followed the rule that to get from a 
double-sharp to a single-sharp, it was necessary to cancel 
one of the two sharps in the double sharp.  Same for double 
flats.


There are still lots of music in print which uses this 
tradition -- Some of the Selected Studies books published by 
Rubank follows this rule, and I believe in the Klose 
Clarinet Method it can be found as well.


These days, John, you're right -- all that it takes to move 
from a double sharp to a single sharp is to place the single 
sharp in front of the note.


But I believe Johannes is trying to be as accurate to the 
original as possible.


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Re: [Finale] natural+sharp before the same note

2008-10-03 Thread Andrew Stiller


On Oct 2, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:


I do this with articulations.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Johannes Gebauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After an f## I would like to display a natural and a single sharp on 
the

same note, is this possible in Finale?




Me too. I have a complete early-19th c. articulation library set up,  
which includes sharp,  natural, and flat signs configured so as to 
appear immediately left  of the notehead, but far  enough  away to 
allow room for Finale's own accidental to appear between.


Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://www.kallistimusic.com/

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Re: [Finale] natural+sharp before the same note

2008-10-02 Thread Robert Patterson
I do this with articulations.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Johannes Gebauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 After an f## I would like to display a natural and a single sharp on the
 same note, is this possible in Finale?

 Johannes
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Re: [Finale] natural+sharp before the same note

2008-10-02 Thread Noel Stoutenburg

Johannes Gebauer wrote:
After an f## I would like to display a natural and a single sharp on 
the same note, is this possible in Finale?
The one time I needed to do this, I had just been working with altered 
unisons (a chord containing a F# and an F-natural), so the way I did it 
was to create such a note, place the noteheads right on top of each 
other, and adjust the accidentals. Using the idea of an articulation (as 
Robert suggested) did not occur to me at the time, but is more elegant 
than my approach.


ns
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Re: [Finale] natural+sharp before the same note

2008-10-02 Thread John Howell

At 5:00 PM +0200 10/2/08, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
After an f## I would like to display a natural and a single sharp on 
the same note, is this possible in Finale?


I can't swear to this, but does not a single sharp cancel a double 
sharp?  (Or, of course, a single flat cancel a double flat?)


John


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Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts  Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411  Fax (540) 231-5034
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html

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