Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Stopping Spotlight
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 25, 2005, at 3:54 PM, kinako wrote: On May 26, 2005, at 4:41, Chris Zubrzycki wrote: One more thing:Slowing build down also occurs, and I am experiencing, when using ccache if ccache creates new file. Good point, that's another place we have a lot of small files. As far as I know, Spotlight never actually imports the ccache files though. I'm not sure what the performance differences are between Don't know either, but I wonder how hard apple thought about this, with developers building using ccache/distcc. It seems like some regex patterns would help. Or else patch ccache to use .ccache.build :-) No need to patch. Just set the environment variable CCACHE_DIR to ccache.build under fink's build environment. If you want it to be default, you could. not everything that uses ccache is built by fink :-) but yes,the ENV VAR would work too. - -chris zubrzycki - - -- PGP public key: http://homepage.mac.com/beren/publickey.txt ID: 0xA2ABC070 Fingerprint: 26B0 BA6B A409 FA83 42B3 1688 FBF9 8232 A2AB C070 Remember: it's a "Microsoft virus", not an "email virus", a "Microsoft worm", not a "computer worm". -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (Darwin) Comment: Please sign reply-http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAkKU5UwACgkQ+/mCMqKrwHAMYQCg0bQ9ont6MbSiZvFSxyfAxZ5V B/EAoIOc5ZiO0Bv7HBbWA3hgrle2ot1Z =4XUq -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7402&alloc_id=16135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Stopping Spotlight
On May 26, 2005, at 4:41, Chris Zubrzycki wrote: One more thing:Slowing build down also occurs, and I am experiencing, when using ccache if ccache creates new file. Good point, that's another place we have a lot of small files. As far as I know, Spotlight never actually imports the ccache files though. I'm not sure what the performance differences are between Don't know either, but I wonder how hard apple thought about this, with developers building using ccache/distcc. It seems like some regex patterns would help. Or else patch ccache to use .ccache.build :-) No need to patch. Just set the environment variable CCACHE_DIR to ccache.build under fink's build environment. kinako --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7402&alloc_id=16135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Stopping Spotlight
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 25, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Dave Vasilevsky wrote: On May 25, 2005, at 2:34 PM, kinako wrote: The "build" suffix can be found in /System/Library/Find/StopExts. I'm really not sure that /System/Library/Find is related to Spotlight. I could be wrong though. :-) One more thing:Slowing build down also occurs, and I am experiencing, when using ccache if ccache creates new file. Good point, that's another place we have a lot of small files. As far as I know, Spotlight never actually imports the ccache files though. I'm not sure what the performance differences are between Don't know either, but I wonder how hard apple thought about this, with developers building using ccache/distcc. It seems like some regex patterns would help. Or else patch ccache to use .ccache.build :-) - -chris zubrzycki - - -- PGP public key: http://homepage.mac.com/beren/publickey.txt ID: 0xA2ABC070 Fingerprint: 26B0 BA6B A409 FA83 42B3 1688 FBF9 8232 A2AB C070 "Of course, you realize this means war." - -B. Bunny -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (Darwin) Comment: Please sign reply-http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAkKU1OMACgkQ+/mCMqKrwHBl+QCfWTAz3YmaGKTHM4iwVRUKNk87 IU4AoIYBLQuHnxpwCEEnP5LGH9/TVXix =LK+6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7402&alloc_id=16135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: Stopping Spotlight
On May 25, 2005, at 2:34 PM, kinako wrote: The "build" suffix can be found in /System/Library/Find/StopExts. I'm really not sure that /System/Library/Find is related to Spotlight. I could be wrong though. :-) One more thing:Slowing build down also occurs, and I am experiencing, when using ccache if ccache creates new file. Good point, that's another place we have a lot of small files. As far as I know, Spotlight never actually imports the ccache files though. I'm not sure what the performance differences are between 1) Not indexing a directory (eg: /sw/src/fink.build) 2) Indexing, but never importing (ccache) 3) Indexing and importing (/sw/src) Is the difference between 1 and 2 very significant? If so, we should probably hide both ccache and finkinfodb dirs. Dave PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] Stopping Spotlight
On 25 May 2005, at 19:45, Dave Vasilevsky wrote: On May 25, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Jean-François Mertens wrote: I declined _ since I have spotlight turned off _, but I've been asked this question already half a dozen times _ at least at every fink index, selfupdate, list, ... command. Hi Jean-François, I'm not sure why that would be happening. After you answer no, do you have 'Flags: SpotlightWarning' in your fink.conf? No. I have it now _ easy to remove if you want further tests. the previous symlink /sw/bld -> /classic/bld is unchanged, as well as its target, and a new directory /sw/bld.build has been created... That's the intended behavior, we create a new directory. We can't know what else people might be using the same directory for, so moving things seems heavy-handed. What would you like to see happen instead? Perfect then. (The question "...add .build to the end of.." made me think the intent was different) JF --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt02&alloc_id135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Stopping Spotlight
On May 25, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Jean-François Mertens wrote: I declined _ since I have spotlight turned off _, but I've been asked this question already half a dozen times _ at least at every fink index, selfupdate, list, ... command. Hi Jean-François, I'm not sure why that would be happening. After you answer no, do you have 'Flags: SpotlightWarning' in your fink.conf? In addition, this breaks the simplests scripts; eg: #!/sw/bin/bash ls=`fink dumpinfo -f family $1` echo $ls Ok, the postinstall now does the warning, that should get it out of the way earlier for some users. the previous symlink /sw/bld -> /classic/bld is unchanged, as well as its target, and a new directory /sw/bld.build has been created... That's the intended behavior, we create a new directory. We can't know what else people might be using the same directory for, so moving things seems heavy-handed. What would you like to see happen instead? Dave PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Fink-devel] Re: Stopping Spotlight
On May 25, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Kinako wrote: Adding sw into /System/Library/Find/SkipFolders might work. In my testing it doesn't. Dave PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] Stopping Spotlight
On May 25, 2005, at 9:55 AM, Hanspeter Niederstrasser wrote: Will this be %p/src/foo-%v-%r.build or %p/src/fink.build/foo-%v-%r? The second one. Packages will build in %p/src/fink.build/%f and will install in %p/src/fink.build/root-%f . I'm mostly just thinking that doing %p/src/fink.build/ everythinghappensinhere just leads to an extra directory nest when all that seems to be needed from the description is appending .build to the build and install directories. We considered appending .build to the subdirectories like this. However, some packages may expect to build in a directory named %f and could break. On the other hand, Buildpath is known to be relocatable already, so this seemed to be the safer solution. Dave PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Stopping Spotlight
On 25 May 2005, at 18:20, Chris Zubrzycki wrote: That's probbably because fink doesn't expect a symlink, but a real dir for the builddir config. Clear. But readlink doesn't exist for nothing.. JF --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7402&alloc_id=16135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Stopping Spotlight
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 25, 2005, at 12:15 PM, Jean-François Mertens wrote: On 25 May 2005, at 16:50, Daniel Macks wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 04:48:45PM +0200, Jean-François Mertens wrote: On 25 May 2005, at 16:28, Daniel E. Macks wrote: On 25 May 2005, at 04:49, Dave Vasilevsky wrote: If you have a custom build path, Fink will warn you that this might be slowing down your builds, and offer to append .build--if you decline, Fink will never bother you about it again. It's supposed to save state in fink.conf so only root can set it...OTOH, some of those commands run as root. No change to fink.conf even after having made it world-writeable and re-running one of those commands. The writing mechanism appears to check for "being root" not "file writability", but... (Furher, I do run many of those commands as root.) D'oh. Another small point: to get rid of this for the moment, I answered 'yes' once. This added the lines Buildpath: /sw/bld.build Flags: SpotlightWarning in fink.conf, and stopped the questions, but the previous symlink /sw/bld -> /classic/bld is unchanged, as well as its target, and a new directory /sw/bld.build has been created... That's probbably because fink doesn't expect a symlink, but a real dir for the builddir config. It worked as advertised. - -chris zubrzycki - - -- PGP public key: http://homepage.mac.com/beren/publickey.txt ID: 0xA2ABC070 Fingerprint: 26B0 BA6B A409 FA83 42B3 1688 FBF9 8232 A2AB C070 "Sadly, text alone cannot convey the depths of my sarcasm." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (Darwin) Comment: Please sign reply-http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAkKUpc4ACgkQ+/mCMqKrwHDJGwCg545lA8MjBsP3Bb7bfvVA+Dcj joAAnjStMUPMIs7ckm5Jpn7s8+9TuzBu =RynD -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt02&alloc_id135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Stopping Spotlight
On 25 May 2005, at 16:50, Daniel Macks wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 04:48:45PM +0200, Jean-François Mertens wrote: On 25 May 2005, at 16:28, Daniel E. Macks wrote: On 25 May 2005, at 04:49, Dave Vasilevsky wrote: If you have a custom build path, Fink will warn you that this might be slowing down your builds, and offer to append .build--if you decline, Fink will never bother you about it again. It's supposed to save state in fink.conf so only root can set it...OTOH, some of those commands run as root. No change to fink.conf even after having made it world-writeable and re-running one of those commands. The writing mechanism appears to check for "being root" not "file writability", but... (Furher, I do run many of those commands as root.) D'oh. Another small point: to get rid of this for the moment, I answered 'yes' once. This added the lines Buildpath: /sw/bld.build Flags: SpotlightWarning in fink.conf, and stopped the questions, but the previous symlink /sw/bld -> /classic/bld is unchanged, as well as its target, and a new directory /sw/bld.build has been created... JF --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt02&alloc_id135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Stopping Spotlight
On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 04:48:45PM +0200, Jean-Fran?ois Mertens wrote: > On 25 May 2005, at 16:28, Daniel E. Macks wrote: > >>On 25 May 2005, at 04:49, Dave Vasilevsky wrote: > >>>If you have a custom build path, Fink will warn you that this might > >>>be slowing down your builds, and offer to append .build--if you > >>>decline, Fink will never bother you about it again. > >It's supposed to save state in fink.conf so only root can set > >it...OTOH, some of those commands run as root. > > No change to fink.conf even after having made it world-writeable > and re-running one of those commands. The writing mechanism appears to check for "being root" not "file writability", but... > (Furher, I do run many of those commands as root.) D'oh. dan -- Daniel Macks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7402&alloc_id=16135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Stopping Spotlight
On 25 May 2005, at 16:28, Daniel E. Macks wrote: On 25 May 2005, at 04:49, Dave Vasilevsky wrote: If you have a custom build path, Fink will warn you that this might be slowing down your builds, and offer to append .build--if you decline, Fink will never bother you about it again. It's supposed to save state in fink.conf so only root can set it...OTOH, some of those commands run as root. No change to fink.conf even after having made it world-writeable and re-running one of those commands. (Furher, I do run many of those commands as root.) JF --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7402&alloc_id=16135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re:Stopping Spotlight
On 2005/05/25, at 11:49, Dave Vasilevsky wrote: [1] The solutions involved modifying files in /.Spotlight-V100. But Spotlight doesn't notice changes to the relevant files right away, build paths on different volumes are harder to deal with, and munging plists isn't fun. Adding sw into /System/Library/Find/SkipFolders might work. You can find usr, sbin, and some directories and files there, which the spotlight does not search in by default. kinako_at_Mac_com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7402&alloc_id=16135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: Stopping Spotlight
Jean-François Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On 25 May 2005, at 04:49, Dave Vasilevsky wrote: > >> If you have a custom build path, Fink will warn you that this might >> be slowing down your builds, and offer to append .build--if you >> decline, Fink will never bother you about it again. > > I declined _ since I have spotlight turned off _, but I've been asked > this question already > half a dozen times _ at least at every fink index, selfupdate, > list, ... command. It's supposed to save state in fink.conf so only root can set it...OTOH, some of those commands run as root. OT3H, since this is a new feature in a new fink, maybe it should be asked as part of the fink package postinst instead of during a normal fink run. dan -- Daniel Macks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7402&alloc_id=16135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Stopping Spotlight
On 25 May 2005, at 16:00, Jean-François Mertens wrote: On 25 May 2005, at 04:49, Dave Vasilevsky wrote: If you have a custom build path, Fink will warn you that this might be slowing down your builds, and offer to append .build--if you decline, Fink will never bother you about it again. I declined _ since I have spotlight turned off _, but I've been asked this question already half a dozen times _ at least at every fink index, selfupdate, list, ... command. In addition, this breaks the simplests scripts; eg: #!/sw/bin/bash ls=`fink dumpinfo -f family $1` echo $ls hangs... JF --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt02&alloc_id135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Stopping Spotlight
On 25 May 2005, at 04:49, Dave Vasilevsky wrote: If you have a custom build path, Fink will warn you that this might be slowing down your builds, and offer to append .build--if you decline, Fink will never bother you about it again. I declined _ since I have spotlight turned off _, but I've been asked this question already half a dozen times _ at least at every fink index, selfupdate, list, ... command. Jean-François --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt02&alloc_id135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Stopping Spotlight
So we're going to try moving the default buildpath from %p/src to %p/ src/fink.build. Will this be %p/src/foo-%v-%r.build or %p/src/fink.build/foo-%v-%r? And what will happen to the install (%p/src/root-*) directories? Will they also be nested into the %p/src/fink.build/ directory? I'm mostly just thinking that doing %p/src/fink.build/everythinghappensinhere just leads to an extra directory nest when all that seems to be needed from the description is appending .build to the build and install directories. Hanspeter -- Hanspeter Niederstrasser, Ph.D.Dept. of Cell Biology hniederstrasser at cellbiology.wustl.edu Campus Box 8228 Cooper Lab 660 South Euclid Avenue Washington University in St. Louis St. Louis, MO 63110 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: GoToMeeting - the easiest way to collaborate online with coworkers and clients while avoiding the high cost of travel and communications. There is no equipment to buy and you can meet as often as you want. Try it free.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7402&alloc_id=16135&op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Faster installation of fink systems - a proposal
Am 23.05.2005 um 23:32 schrieb Chris Zubrzycki: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 23, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Benn Newman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I know of something used in Debian GNU+Linux that sounds is somewhat (it is a little of a stretch) what you are talking about (called taskselect). If lets you decide what you want to do with the computer, like being a web server or a dial-up server. Is that more of what you would want? That is exactly what he wants. is it ? To me it sounded more as if he really wanted *all* packages (well, as many as possible taking conflicts into account) to be installed. So e.g. *all* editors (vim, vigor, vile, emacs, xemacs, nano, joe, jed, ee, nedit, kedit, etc.) would be installed. The idea of having "task" bundles as outlined above sounds nice to me. The idea of just installing everything OTOH seems pointless to me -- where is the sense in installing hundreds and thousands of packages when for most of them you don't even know what they are *good for*, not even talking about how many of them one would actually use... Just my two cents, Max --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] new rdesktop package
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexander K. Hansen escribió: > I think he was just making a note that when the package gets committed > it needs to go into the crypto tree for whomever commits the package. > Yes I understand that but what I have to do to get the package committed? is It now on the right way? - -- Victor Seva [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.torreviejawireless.org http://linuxmaniac.homeip.net jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 0xDD12F253 Socio numero 78 de ANURI -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFClCF+S/DSSd0S8lMRArl/AKCG91CU65+iQ7/livf3m2vH4EaH4ACgr69e tBVaSvUgBgV3iR649CzTAs4= =N8fW -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
