Re: [Fink-devel] Differences in Directory Structure for texmf on PowerPC vs. Intel

2009-10-22 Thread Martin Costabel
rbambery wrote:
[]
>  Other Tex related tools installed on both systems
>  latex-beamer  3.07-1
>  latex-figbib 2004-08-12-2
>  libkpathsea4 3.5.7-1
>  ptexenc 1.06-1
>  rt2latex2e 1.0fc2-1
>  texi2html 1.64-16
>  texinfo 4.13-1001
>  texlive-texmf 0.20080822-1
>  texpower 0.2-4
>  unicode-tex 20041017-2
> 
>  Both systems have
>  dblatex,jadetex, tetex-texmf classified as archived
>  The intel system (only) has
>  texlive-base and texlive classified as archived

Although you don't say it, I suspect that you have mixtures of tetex and 
texlive installed, that is, you have tetex-base or ptex-base and maybe 
some other tetex or ptex packages installed in addition to 
texlive-texmf. Installing texlive-base should clean this out.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Differences in Directory Structure for texmf on PowerPC vs. Intel

2009-10-22 Thread Alexander Hansen
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rbambery wrote:
> His reply reached me before yours. I was in the act of responding to him
> when your reply came to me. So I finished his reply before starting on  
> yours.
> I hope that clears it up.
> 
> We have a large package of image processing routines that are packaged  
> together
> We use gnuplot for our standard plotting package. We recently bundled  
> together
> the package for working under solaris, linux-x64, MacOSX (powerPC and  
> Intel-x64).
> 
> It all runs under the X-environment. On the mac we chose to work under  
> fink for the
> X dependencies since the Mac X environment does not have motif or Tex.
> This actually, has worked well for years because we always used the  
> fink gnuplot.
> 
> Since we don't use fink for solaris and linux-x64, we build gnuplot  
> externally. To
> work right under the Mac I execute our configure and make using the  
> gnome
> terminal. This makes building easy.
> 
> I've been using this procedure nicely under PowerPC for months.  
> Recently, we
> needed to build under the Intel version. Thus, I discovered the  
> differences in
> the texmf subdirectories. Our build master thought that the fink  
> differences
> should be checked out.
> 
> The person doing our configure and makes have been shaking out problems,
> but I volunteered to get the intel version up and running. What I  
> discovered is
> what I have been reporting here.  Perhaps unfortunately, I updated my  
> Intel
> fink's tex packages because they were showing up under FinkCommander as
> being outdated before this run.
> 
> The gnuplot that we are using is downloaded from the gnuplot home page.
> We were hoping that if the fink maintainer was modifying the fink  
> version
> of gnuplot he might point out why there are differences and what he does
> to fix them.
> 
> Ray
> 
> 

What I do is push building the documentation into the gnuplot-pdfdocs
package (which does build for me, too).  Other than that, I don't do a
lot to it.

I had some different problems when migrating from tetex to texlive, not
involving latex.fmt.

Found another command that looks promising:

sudo fmtutil-sys --all

This generates the .fmt files, and maybe for some reason it didn't get
run with your installation.
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Re: [Fink-devel] Differences in Directory Structure for texmf on PowerPC vs. Intel

2009-10-22 Thread rbambery
His reply reached me before yours. I was in the act of responding to him
when your reply came to me. So I finished his reply before starting on  
yours.
I hope that clears it up.

We have a large package of image processing routines that are packaged  
together
We use gnuplot for our standard plotting package. We recently bundled  
together
the package for working under solaris, linux-x64, MacOSX (powerPC and  
Intel-x64).

It all runs under the X-environment. On the mac we chose to work under  
fink for the
X dependencies since the Mac X environment does not have motif or Tex.
This actually, has worked well for years because we always used the  
fink gnuplot.

Since we don't use fink for solaris and linux-x64, we build gnuplot  
externally. To
work right under the Mac I execute our configure and make using the  
gnome
terminal. This makes building easy.

I've been using this procedure nicely under PowerPC for months.  
Recently, we
needed to build under the Intel version. Thus, I discovered the  
differences in
the texmf subdirectories. Our build master thought that the fink  
differences
should be checked out.

The person doing our configure and makes have been shaking out problems,
but I volunteered to get the intel version up and running. What I  
discovered is
what I have been reporting here.  Perhaps unfortunately, I updated my  
Intel
fink's tex packages because they were showing up under FinkCommander as
being outdated before this run.

The gnuplot that we are using is downloaded from the gnuplot home page.
We were hoping that if the fink maintainer was modifying the fink  
version
of gnuplot he might point out why there are differences and what he does
to fix them.

Ray


On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Alexander Hansen wrote:

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> Let's keep this discussion on the list, please.  Scattering it over
> several personal email accounts is going to make it impossible to  
> keep a
> coherent thread about what's going on here.
>
> rbambery wrote:
>> When I wrote my message I had no clue as to what package was  
>> responsible.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I don't know what package creates the
>> /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts and /sw/var/lib/texmf/web2c
>> directories.  I don't remember any problems with the installation  
>> of any
>> of the tex packages and that's
>> why I can't tell what caused the missing directories. The only  
>> reason I
>> put in the notation of the two
>> separate archived packages is that when they were being archived they
>> may have removed parts
>> of the directory tree.
> Other than those archived packages, it was the
>> only obvious differences between
>> the systems. Considering that Tomoaki Okayama said that texlive  
>> replaced
>> tetex-texmf, (texlive was one of the
>> archived packages) I was merely being cautious in mentioning it.
>>
>> Answer to dpkg question:
>>
>> on PowerPC
>> dpkg -X /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
>> ptex-base:/sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
>>
>> ls /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
>> map/
>>
>> on Intel
>> dpkg -X /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
>> texlive-base:/sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
>>
>> ls /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
>> 
>>
>>
>> Answer to updmap question:
>> the sudo updmap-sys did replace the map files on the intel system but
>> did not create
>> a directory named pk
>>
>> It didn't seem to do much for the /sw/var/lib/texmf/web2c directory
>> tree. Specifically
>> it did not give me latex.fmt which seems to be desired by the gnuplot
>> build.
>>
>> Is this information helpful?
>>
>> As I replied in the message to Robert Wyatt gnuplot is not being  
>> built
>> using finks gnuplot.
>> Gnuplot is being built in another package within the fink gnome  
>> terminal
>> to meet dependencies
>> on X, motif and tex for the package as a whole
>
> ???  This is totally unclear to me.  How are you _not_ building Fink's
> gnuplot if you're building another Fink package and it's being dragged
> in as a dependency?  What do you mean by "within the fink gnome
> terminal"?  Is that the ultimate package you're building?  The  
> ultimate
> package is irrelevant.  Only the package that is currently failing
> should matter (along with any dependencies that got misbuilt along  
> the way)
>
> More to the point, gnuplot shouldn't be using TeX at all.  I thought I
> rigged it not to do so.  Maybe send _me_ the message, since I'm the
> maintainer for gnuplot, and Robert isn't.
>
>>
>> I passed him the log of the problem under the intel build.   
>> Everything
>> works fine under the
>> PowerPC environment.
>>
>> Perhaps I need to change the Intel box to use ptex-base?
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>
>
>
> As I said, it works here.  ptex-base might work better for you.
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Re: [Fink-devel] Differences in Directory Structure for texmf on PowerPC vs. Intel

2009-10-22 Thread Alexander Hansen
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Let's keep this discussion on the list, please.  Scattering it over
several personal email accounts is going to make it impossible to keep a
coherent thread about what's going on here.

rbambery wrote:
> When I wrote my message I had no clue as to what package was responsible.
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't know what package creates the
> /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts and /sw/var/lib/texmf/web2c
> directories.  I don't remember any problems with the installation of any
> of the tex packages and that's
> why I can't tell what caused the missing directories. The only reason I
> put in the notation of the two
> separate archived packages is that when they were being archived they
> may have removed parts
> of the directory tree.
 Other than those archived packages, it was the
> only obvious differences between
> the systems. Considering that Tomoaki Okayama said that texlive replaced
> tetex-texmf, (texlive was one of the
> archived packages) I was merely being cautious in mentioning it.
> 
> Answer to dpkg question:
> 
> on PowerPC
> dpkg -X /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
> ptex-base:/sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
> 
> ls /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
> map/
> 
> on Intel
> dpkg -X /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
> texlive-base:/sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
> 
> ls /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
> 
> 
> 
> Answer to updmap question:
> the sudo updmap-sys did replace the map files on the intel system but
> did not create
> a directory named pk
> 
> It didn't seem to do much for the /sw/var/lib/texmf/web2c directory
> tree. Specifically
> it did not give me latex.fmt which seems to be desired by the gnuplot
> build.
> 
> Is this information helpful?
> 
> As I replied in the message to Robert Wyatt gnuplot is not being built
> using finks gnuplot.
> Gnuplot is being built in another package within the fink gnome terminal
> to meet dependencies
> on X, motif and tex for the package as a whole

???  This is totally unclear to me.  How are you _not_ building Fink's
gnuplot if you're building another Fink package and it's being dragged
in as a dependency?  What do you mean by "within the fink gnome
terminal"?  Is that the ultimate package you're building?  The ultimate
package is irrelevant.  Only the package that is currently failing
should matter (along with any dependencies that got misbuilt along the way)

More to the point, gnuplot shouldn't be using TeX at all.  I thought I
rigged it not to do so.  Maybe send _me_ the message, since I'm the
maintainer for gnuplot, and Robert isn't.

> 
> I passed him the log of the problem under the intel build.  Everything
> works fine under the
> PowerPC environment.
> 
> Perhaps I need to change the Intel box to use ptex-base?
> 
> Ray
> 
> 



As I said, it works here.  ptex-base might work better for you.
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Re: [Fink-devel] Differences in Directory Structure for texmf on PowerPC vs. Intel

2009-10-22 Thread Alexander Hansen
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rbambery wrote:
>  I have two (PowerPC and Intel) systems with texmf under Fink on them.

What package?  tetex-texmf, texlive-texmf, or ptex-texmf ?  I'm assuming
tetex-texmf, but it's always best to provide the literal Fink package name.

>  The directory structure for /sw/var/lib/texmf are different.
>  Both versions have /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts and /sw/var/lib/texmf/web2c.
> 
>  The PowerPC version has one subdirectory named map under the fonts
>  directory with 4 subdirectories under it named dvipdfm, dvips, pdftex and
>  xvdi.
>  The intel has nothing under the fonts subdirectory.
> 
>  The PowerPC version has more than 40 files under web2c (one of which is
>  latex.fmt which is the file that gnuplot 4.2.4 searches for).
>  The Intel version has 6 subdirectories under web2c named aleph, luatex,
>  metafont, metapost, omega, pdftex and tex .   None of them have latex.fmt
>  in them. Thus, my build of gnuplot documentation fails on the intel box
>  when it cannot find latex.fmt.)
> 
>  I don't recall any problems with the installation with either of them.
> 
>  Could this be a problem with the newer texlive package announced
>  by Tomoaki Okayama on Oct 10 on the developer's list?
>  
>  The PowerPC subdirectory was created Dec 15, 2008 and my entire fink
>  distribution is up-to-date.
>  The Intel subdirectory was created Oct 20, 2009 and the distribution is
>  also completely up-to-date.
> 
>  My configurations:
>  PowerPC -Dual 2.5 GHz PowerPC G5 - MacOSX 10.5.7 - Fink 0.29.10-41
>  XCode 3.1.3 - gcc version 4.4.1-1000 (under fink)

Fink's gcc version isn't very relevant here, because most packages don't
use it.

>  Intel - 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo  - MacOSX 10.5.8 - Fink 0.29.10-41
>  XCode 3.1.3 - gcc version 4.4.1-1000 (under fink)
> 
>  Other Tex related tools installed on both systems
>  latex-beamer  3.07-1
>  latex-figbib 2004-08-12-2
>  libkpathsea4 3.5.7-1
>  ptexenc 1.06-1
>  rt2latex2e 1.0fc2-1
>  texi2html 1.64-16
>  texinfo 4.13-1001
>  texlive-texmf 0.20080822-1
>  texpower 0.2-4
>  unicode-tex 20041017-2
> 
>  Both systems have
>  dblatex,jadetex, tetex-texmf classified as archived
>  The intel system (only) has
>  texlive-base and texlive classified as archived
> 

"archived" status is absolutely irrelevant to anything.  Those are
packages that are built on your system but not installed, i.e. archived.
 They bear no role on the current state of things.

The fact that you have different contents in those directories isn't
necessarily surprising, and is independent of the architecture.  Their
contents are generated at runtime.  For example, I have

dpkg -S /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
texlive-base: /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts

$ ls /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts
map  pk

on my 10.5.9/Intel machine.  You might try running

sudo updmap-sys

and see if that generates the missing content.
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Re: [Fink-devel] gnuplot

2009-10-22 Thread Robert Wyatt
rbambery wrote:
> Thus, my build of gnuplot documentation fails on the intel box
> when it cannot find latex.fmt.)
> Intel - 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo - MacOSX 10.5.8 - Fink 0.29.10-41
> XCode 3.1.3 - gcc version 4.4.1-1000 (under fink)

So there is an error on your 10.5.8 intel box when building gnuplot in 
the unstable branch? Can you post the error?

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[Fink-devel] Differences in Directory Structure for texmf on PowerPC vs. Intel

2009-10-22 Thread rbambery

 I have two (PowerPC and Intel) systems with texmf under Fink on them.
 The directory structure for /sw/var/lib/texmf are different.
 Both versions have /sw/var/lib/texmf/fonts and /sw/var/lib/texmf/ 
web2c.


 The PowerPC version has one subdirectory named map under the fonts
 directory with 4 subdirectories under it named dvipdfm, dvips,  
pdftex and

 xvdi.
 The intel has nothing under the fonts subdirectory.

 The PowerPC version has more than 40 files under web2c (one of which  
is

 latex.fmt which is the file that gnuplot 4.2.4 searches for).
 The Intel version has 6 subdirectories under web2c named aleph,  
luatex,
 metafont, metapost, omega, pdftex and tex .   None of them have  
latex.fmt
 in them. Thus, my build of gnuplot documentation fails on the intel  
box

 when it cannot find latex.fmt.)

 I don't recall any problems with the installation with either of them.

 Could this be a problem with the newer texlive package announced
 by Tomoaki Okayama on Oct 10 on the developer's list?

 The PowerPC subdirectory was created Dec 15, 2008 and my entire fink
 distribution is up-to-date.
 The Intel subdirectory was created Oct 20, 2009 and the distribution  
is

 also completely up-to-date.

 My configurations:
 PowerPC -Dual 2.5 GHz PowerPC G5 - MacOSX 10.5.7 - Fink 0.29.10-41
 XCode 3.1.3 - gcc version 4.4.1-1000 (under fink)
 Intel - 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo  - MacOSX 10.5.8 - Fink 0.29.10-41
 XCode 3.1.3 - gcc version 4.4.1-1000 (under fink)

 Other Tex related tools installed on both systems
 latex-beamer  3.07-1
 latex-figbib 2004-08-12-2
 libkpathsea4 3.5.7-1
 ptexenc 1.06-1
 rt2latex2e 1.0fc2-1
 texi2html 1.64-16
 texinfo 4.13-1001
 texlive-texmf 0.20080822-1
 texpower 0.2-4
 unicode-tex 20041017-2

 Both systems have
 dblatex,jadetex, tetex-texmf classified as archived
 The intel system (only) has
 texlive-base and texlive classified as archived
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