Re: [Fink-users] Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed
Alexander Hansensaid: > >> On Nov 14, 2016, at 08:31, William G. Scott wrote: >> >> BTW, BLT still compiles fine on my 10.11.6 machine at work. I haven’t had a >> chance to test on anything with 10.12 and my home internet has been down >> since the orange coup. >> >> William G. Scott >> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology >> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry >> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA >> University of California at Santa Cruz >> Santa Cruz, California 95064 >> USA >> >> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu > > I got the same error on 10.12: > > gcc -Wall -O3 -fno-common -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing > -I/sw/include/tcltk-private/tk8.6/generic > -I/sw/include/tcltk-private/tk8.6/unix -I. -I. -I/sw/include > -I/usr/X11/include -o bltwish \ > -DTCLLIBPATH=\"/sw/lib/tcl8.6\" \ > ./bltUnixMain.c libBLT.a -L/sw/lib -ltk8.6 -ltcl8.6 -lX11 > -ljpeg -lm > ld: library not found for -lX11 > > Even though I’m fully provisioned with convenience symlinks: > > Fionna-4:finkinfo hansen$ ls -l /usr > total 16 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8 Nov 1 08:28 X11 -> /opt/X11 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8 Nov 1 08:28 X11R6 -> /opt/X11 > > During the configure phase I show: > > checking for X... libraries , headers /usr/X11/include > > and config.log has > > configure:2964: gcc -E -I/sw/include conftest.c >/dev/null 2>conftest.out > In file included from configure:2960: > /sw/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:53:10: fatal error: 'X11/Xlib.h' file not found > #include > ^ > 1 error generated. > > It turns out that Fink’s libxt package was the culprit here for me. By > removing that the build was able to proceed. We’re going to be phasing libXt > (non-flat) out since it didn’t behave as we had hoped, but currently either > libxt or libxt-flat will trigger this. It's a bug in autoconf2.13 (!) that has always given rare/sporatic fails that we could never track down, but now our libxt made the fail more likely and more reproducible. I just committed a patch to blt to fix the bug. dan -- Daniel Macks dma...@netspace.org -- ___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed
Hi William, I tried sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install blt They run successfully and I got the newest version of blt installed. And then I run " fink selfupdate" and "fink install kdebase4-mac". However, I got the same errors. My machine is 10.10.5 OS X Yosemite. Ying From: William G. ScottSent: Monday, November 14, 2016 11:31:45 AM To: Alexander Hansen Cc: Yu, Ying; fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Fink-users] Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed BTW, BLT still compiles fine on my 10.11.6 machine at work. I haven’t had a chance to test on anything with 10.12 and my home internet has been down since the orange coup. William G. Scott Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, California 95064 USA http://scottlab.ucsc.edu > On Nov 14, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Alexander Hansen > wrote: > > >> On Nov 14, 2016, at 07:45, Yu, Ying wrote: >> >> Hi Alex, >> >> Thanks for the reply. If I type "ls -d /usr" in the terminal, I got "/usr". >> Then how to go on from here? >> >> Ying > > Oops, I should have just had you use “ls -l /usr”. I wasn’t fully awake, I > guess. ;-) -- ___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed
BTW, BLT still compiles fine on my 10.11.6 machine at work. I haven’t had a chance to test on anything with 10.12 and my home internet has been down since the orange coup. William G. Scott Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, California 95064 USA http://scottlab.ucsc.edu > On Nov 14, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Alexander Hansen> wrote: > > >> On Nov 14, 2016, at 07:45, Yu, Ying wrote: >> >> Hi Alex, >> >> Thanks for the reply. If I type "ls -d /usr" in the terminal, I got "/usr". >> Then how to go on from here? >> >> Ying > > Oops, I should have just had you use “ls -l /usr”. I wasn’t fully awake, I > guess. ;-) -- ___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed
> On Nov 14, 2016, at 08:31, William G. Scottwrote: > > BTW, BLT still compiles fine on my 10.11.6 machine at work. I haven’t had a > chance to test on anything with 10.12 and my home internet has been down > since the orange coup. > > William G. Scott > Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology > Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry > and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA > University of California at Santa Cruz > Santa Cruz, California 95064 > USA > > http://scottlab.ucsc.edu I got the same error on 10.12: gcc -Wall -O3 -fno-common -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing -I/sw/include/tcltk-private/tk8.6/generic -I/sw/include/tcltk-private/tk8.6/unix -I. -I. -I/sw/include -I/usr/X11/include -o bltwish \ -DTCLLIBPATH=\"/sw/lib/tcl8.6\" \ ./bltUnixMain.c libBLT.a -L/sw/lib -ltk8.6 -ltcl8.6 -lX11 -ljpeg -lm ld: library not found for -lX11 Even though I’m fully provisioned with convenience symlinks: Fionna-4:finkinfo hansen$ ls -l /usr total 16 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8 Nov 1 08:28 X11 -> /opt/X11 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8 Nov 1 08:28 X11R6 -> /opt/X11 During the configure phase I show: checking for X... libraries , headers /usr/X11/include and config.log has configure:2964: gcc -E -I/sw/include conftest.c >/dev/null 2>conftest.out In file included from configure:2960: /sw/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:53:10: fatal error: 'X11/Xlib.h' file not found #include ^ 1 error generated. It turns out that Fink’s libxt package was the culprit here for me. By removing that the build was able to proceed. We’re going to be phasing libXt (non-flat) out since it didn’t behave as we had hoped, but currently either libxt or libxt-flat will trigger this. -- Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. Fink User Liaison -- ___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] Repeated failures with update-all
enable.c:131:12: warning: incompatible pointer types passing 'FILE *' (aka 'struct __sFILE *') to parameter of type 'const char *' [-Wincompatible-pointer-types] parse.c:68:14: warning: passing 'const xmlChar *' (aka 'const unsigned char *') to parameter of type 'const char *' converts between pointers to integer types with different sign [-Wpointer-sign] printf(stderr, "Can't create symlink in %s-enabled.\n", DESCDIR); ^~ if (strcmp(name, "description") == 0) { ^~~~ /usr/include/stdio.h:218:16: note: expanded from macro 'stderr' #define stderr __stderrp /usr/include/string.h:^77 :25: note: passing argument to/usr/include/stdio.h :parameter259 :'__s1'36 :here note: passing argument to parameter here int strcmp(const char *__s1, const char *__s2); ^ int printf(const char * __restrict, ...) __printflike(1, 2); ^ parse.c:70:21: warning: passing 'const xmlChar *' (aka 'const unsigned char *') to parameter of type 'const char *' converts between pointers to integer types with different sign [-Wpointer-sign] } else if (strcmp(name, "message") == 0) { ^~~~ /usr/include/string.h:77:25: note: passing argument to parameter '__s1' here int strcmp(const char *__s1, const char *__s2); ^ parse.c:72:21: warning: passing 'const xmlChar *' (aka 'const unsigned char *') to parameter of type 'const char *' converts between pointers to integer types with different sign [-Wpointer-sign] } else if (strcmp(name, "startmessage") == 0) { ^~~~ /usr/include/string.h:77:25: note: passing argument to parameter '__s1' here int strcmp(const char *__s1, const char *__s2); ^ parse.c:74:21: warning: passing 'const xmlChar *' (aka 'const unsigned char *') to parameter of type 'const char *' converts between pointers to integer types with different sign [-Wpointer-sign] } else if (strcmp(name, "stopmessage") == 0) { ^~~~ /usr/include/string.h:77:25: note: passing argument to parameter '__s1' here int strcmp(const char *__s1, const char *__s2); ^ parse.c:76:21: warning: passing 'const xmlChar *' (aka 'const unsigned char *') to parameter of type 'const char *' converts between pointers to integer types with different sign [-Wpointer-sign] } else if (strcmp(name, "restartmessage") == 0) { ^~~~ /usr/include/string.h:77:25: note: passing argument to parameter '__s1' here int strcmp(const char *__s1, const char *__s2); ^ parse.c:79:21: warning: passing 'const xmlChar *' (aka 'const unsigned char *') to parameter of type 'const char *' converts between pointers to integer types with different sign [-Wpointer-sign] } else if (strcmp(name, "daemon") == 0) { ^~~~ /usr/include/string.h:77:25: note: passing argument to parameter '__s1' here int strcmp(const char *__s1, const char *__s2); ^ parse.c:96:13: warning: passing 'const xmlChar *' (aka 'const unsigned char *') to parameter of type 'const char *' converts between pointers to integer types with different sign [-Wpointer-sign] if (strcmp(atts[i], "name") == 0) { ^~~ /usr/include/string.h:77:25: note: passing argument to parameter '__s1' here int strcmp(const char *__s1, const char *__s2); ^ parse.c:97:30: warning: passing 'const xmlChar *' (aka 'const unsigned char *') to parameter of type 'const char *' converts between pointers to integer types with different sign [-Wpointer-sign] cur_daemon->name = strdup(atts[i+1]); ^ /usr/include/string.h:117:26: note: passing argument to parameter '__s1' here char*strdup(const char *__s1); ^ parse.c:102:43: warning: passing 'const xmlChar *' (aka 'const unsigned char *') to parameter of type 'const char *' converts between pointers to integer types with different sign [-Wpointer-sign] } else if (cur_daemon != NULL && strcmp(name, "executable") == 0) { ^~~~ /usr/include/string.h:77:25: note: passing argument to parameter '__s1' here int strcmp(const char *__s1, const char *__s2); ^ parse.c:107:13: warning: passing 'const xmlChar *' (aka 'const unsigned char *') to parameter of type 'const char *' converts between pointers to integer types with different sign [-Wpointer-sign] if (strcmp(atts[i], "background") == 0 && is_boolean_true(atts[i+1])) { ^~~ /usr/include/string.h:77:25: note: passing argument to parameter '__s1' here int strcmp(const char *__s1, const
Re: [Fink-users] Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed
> On Nov 14, 2016, at 07:45, Yu, Yingwrote: > > Hi Alex, > > Thanks for the reply. If I type "ls -d /usr" in the terminal, I got "/usr". > Then how to go on from here? > > Ying Oops, I should have just had you use “ls -l /usr”. I wasn’t fully awake, I guess. ;-)-- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed
Hi Alex, Thanks for the reply. If I type "ls -d /usr" in the terminal, I got "/usr". Then how to go on from here? Ying From: Alexander HansenSent: Monday, November 14, 2016 10:34:30 AM To: Yu, Ying Cc: fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net; wgsc...@users.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Fink-users] Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed > On Nov 14, 2016, at 06:35, Yu, Ying wrote: > > Hi all, > > I run into the errors, "clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 > " and "Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed", when I run "fink > install kdebase4-mac". I think I have the appropriate Xcode and command line > tool version. I don't know how to fix this problem and get KDE installed. Can > anybody help me? A detailed report can be seen below. > > Thanks, > > Ying > > /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: > file: libBLT.a(bltVecCmd.o) has no symbols > ranlib libBLT.a > /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: > file: libBLT.a(bltVecCmd.o) has no symbols > rm -f bltwish > gcc -Wall -O3 -fno-common -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing > -I/sw/include/tcltk-private/tk8.6/generic > -I/sw/include/tcltk-private/tk8.6/unix -I. -I. -I/sw/include > -I/usr/X11/include -o bltwish \ > -DTCLLIBPATH=\"/sw/lib/tcl8.6\" \ > ./bltUnixMain.c libBLT.a -L/sw/lib -ltk8.6 -ltcl8.6 -lX11 -ljpeg -lm > ld: library not found for -lX11 > clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see > invocation) > make[1]: *** [bltwish] Error 1 > make: *** [all] Error 2 > ### execution of /tmp/fink.bDGCX failed, exit code 2 > ### execution of /tmp/fink.69mJ_ failed, exit code 2 > Removing runtime build-lock... > Removing build-lock package... > /sw/bin/dpkg-lockwait -r fink-buildlock-blt-2.4z-162 > (Reading database ... 171043 files and directories currently installed.) > Removing fink-buildlock-blt-2.4z-162 ... > Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed > > Before reporting any errors, please run "fink selfupdate" and try again. > > If you continue to have issues, please check to see if the FAQ on Fink's > website solves the problem. If not, ask on one (not both, please) of > these mailing lists: > > The Fink Users List > The Fink Beginners List , > > with a carbon copy to the maintainer: > > William Scott > > Note that this is preferable to emailing just the maintainer directly, > since most fink package maintainers do not have access to all possible > hardware and software configurations. > > Please try to include the complete error message in your report. This > generally consists of a compiler line starting with e.g. "gcc" or "g++" > followed by the actual error output from the compiler. > > Also include the following system information: > Package manager version: 0.41.0 > Distribution version: selfupdate-rsync Fri Nov 11 12:00:29 2016, 10.10, x86_64 > Trees: local/main stable/main > Xcode.app: 6.4 > Xcode command-line tools: 7.2.0.0.1.1447826929 > blt-2.4z-162 is set to build with only one job. > > — Actually, the error is "ld: library not found for -lX11”. The other items are symptoms of that. What do you get from “ls -d /usr” ? We’re trying to have our packages not assume the existence of the /usr/X11 and /usr/X11R6 convenience symlinks, but blt might not have been updated to do that yet. -- Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. Fink User Liaison -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed
> On Nov 14, 2016, at 06:35, Yu, Yingwrote: > > Hi all, > > I run into the errors, "clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 > " and "Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed", when I run "fink > install kdebase4-mac". I think I have the appropriate Xcode and command line > tool version. I don't know how to fix this problem and get KDE installed. Can > anybody help me? A detailed report can be seen below. > > Thanks, > > Ying > > /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: > file: libBLT.a(bltVecCmd.o) has no symbols > ranlib libBLT.a > /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: > file: libBLT.a(bltVecCmd.o) has no symbols > rm -f bltwish > gcc -Wall -O3 -fno-common -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing > -I/sw/include/tcltk-private/tk8.6/generic > -I/sw/include/tcltk-private/tk8.6/unix -I. -I. -I/sw/include > -I/usr/X11/include -o bltwish \ > -DTCLLIBPATH=\"/sw/lib/tcl8.6\" \ > ./bltUnixMain.c libBLT.a -L/sw/lib -ltk8.6 -ltcl8.6 -lX11 -ljpeg -lm > ld: library not found for -lX11 > clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see > invocation) > make[1]: *** [bltwish] Error 1 > make: *** [all] Error 2 > ### execution of /tmp/fink.bDGCX failed, exit code 2 > ### execution of /tmp/fink.69mJ_ failed, exit code 2 > Removing runtime build-lock... > Removing build-lock package... > /sw/bin/dpkg-lockwait -r fink-buildlock-blt-2.4z-162 > (Reading database ... 171043 files and directories currently installed.) > Removing fink-buildlock-blt-2.4z-162 ... > Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed > > Before reporting any errors, please run "fink selfupdate" and try again. > > If you continue to have issues, please check to see if the FAQ on Fink's > website solves the problem. If not, ask on one (not both, please) of > these mailing lists: > > The Fink Users List > The Fink Beginners List , > > with a carbon copy to the maintainer: > > William Scott > > Note that this is preferable to emailing just the maintainer directly, > since most fink package maintainers do not have access to all possible > hardware and software configurations. > > Please try to include the complete error message in your report. This > generally consists of a compiler line starting with e.g. "gcc" or "g++" > followed by the actual error output from the compiler. > > Also include the following system information: > Package manager version: 0.41.0 > Distribution version: selfupdate-rsync Fri Nov 11 12:00:29 2016, 10.10, x86_64 > Trees: local/main stable/main > Xcode.app: 6.4 > Xcode command-line tools: 7.2.0.0.1.1447826929 > blt-2.4z-162 is set to build with only one job. > > — Actually, the error is "ld: library not found for -lX11”. The other items are symptoms of that. What do you get from “ls -d /usr” ? We’re trying to have our packages not assume the existence of the /usr/X11 and /usr/X11R6 convenience symlinks, but blt might not have been updated to do that yet. -- Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. Fink User Liaison -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi ___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed
Hi all, I run into the errors, "clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 " and "Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed", when I run "fink install kdebase4-mac". I think I have the appropriate Xcode and command line tool version. I don't know how to fix this problem and get KDE installed. Can anybody help me? A detailed report can be seen below. Thanks, Ying /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: libBLT.a(bltVecCmd.o) has no symbols ranlib libBLT.a /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: libBLT.a(bltVecCmd.o) has no symbols rm -f bltwish gcc -Wall -O3 -fno-common -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing -I/sw/include/tcltk-private/tk8.6/generic -I/sw/include/tcltk-private/tk8.6/unix -I. -I. -I/sw/include -I/usr/X11/include -o bltwish \ -DTCLLIBPATH=\"/sw/lib/tcl8.6\" \ ./bltUnixMain.c libBLT.a -L/sw/lib -ltk8.6 -ltcl8.6 -lX11 -ljpeg -lm ld: library not found for -lX11 clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) make[1]: *** [bltwish] Error 1 make: *** [all] Error 2 ### execution of /tmp/fink.bDGCX failed, exit code 2 ### execution of /tmp/fink.69mJ_ failed, exit code 2 Removing runtime build-lock... Removing build-lock package... /sw/bin/dpkg-lockwait -r fink-buildlock-blt-2.4z-162 (Reading database ... 171043 files and directories currently installed.) Removing fink-buildlock-blt-2.4z-162 ... Failed: phase compiling: blt-2.4z-162 failed Before reporting any errors, please run "fink selfupdate" and try again. If you continue to have issues, please check to see if the FAQ on Fink's website solves the problem. If not, ask on one (not both, please) of these mailing lists: The Fink Users ListThe Fink Beginners List , with a carbon copy to the maintainer: William Scott Note that this is preferable to emailing just the maintainer directly, since most fink package maintainers do not have access to all possible hardware and software configurations. Please try to include the complete error message in your report. This generally consists of a compiler line starting with e.g. "gcc" or "g++" followed by the actual error output from the compiler. Also include the following system information: Package manager version: 0.41.0 Distribution version: selfupdate-rsync Fri Nov 11 12:00:29 2016, 10.10, x86_64 Trees: local/main stable/main Xcode.app: 6.4 Xcode command-line tools: 7.2.0.0.1.1447826929 blt-2.4z-162 is set to build with only one job. -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] fink install xfig failed
Yes, Javier. it is. i use xfig for a number of years, probably 15, on Linux. Thank you for looking into this, Roman Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Javier ARANTEGUI JIMENEZwrote: Hi! Now I'm having problems with xfig and it doesn't work, but that requires another email. > El 13 nov 2016, a las 18:50, Alexander Hansen > escribió: >> However, xfig behaves strange. When I try to edit an object, I can change >> values only by pressing "up" and "down" triangles next to the value to >> increment or decrement it. But if I try to edit text field --- no. What I >> did, I opened xfig file in a text editor and edited the entry there. When you are writing in a text field in xfig, the cursor arrow has to be inside the text field (if I remember correctly). Javier -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi___ Fink-users mailing list Fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net List archive: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.macosx.fink.user Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users