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This message is from: william poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try picking this Link http://www.equineaffaire.com/
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Hey gang, This is where I'll be tomorrow. Going to catch two clinics by John Lyons. Pick the link and look around. This is held in columbus every year. Looks like they are going to hold it in Mass. in the fall. I better get to bed I'll have an early start tomorrow Bill
Re: various
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Petty) I told her about the list last weekend at our PNFPG meeting. I do not know if she chose to get on the list. It would probably be best to gather the information you think should be in the Herald, format it, and send it to her. Philip Petty Lochsa Fjords Mica, WA -- From: Julie Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: various Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 4:56 AM This message is from: Julie Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am really enjoying the active discussions, and wish a lot of them could be re-produced for the Herald! This is the kind of info that new Fjord owners are longing for! Is Sally Webber on the list? Julie @ Old Hickory Farm
One down two to go!!!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Petty) Today around 10:30 PDT, Katya (Line X Rusten) had a beautiful filly. Romulus (Ramstad X Viola) is the stallion. Best looking foal I've seen (of course I'd think that) here at Lochsa Fjords. Two more mares to go. One within the next week (I hope) the other in July. Katya had to wait till we were both at work, a neighbor saw her and called Bonnie. Bonnie got in touch with me, and I made it home within a couple of hours. Luckily no problems. Philip Petty Lochsa Fjords Mica, WA
Is the Herald here?
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julie-- Thursday, 9 April 98, you wrote: This message is from: Julie Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am really enjoying the active discussions, and wish a lot of them could be re-produced for the Herald! This is the kind of info that new Fjord owners are longing for! Is Sally Webber on the list? Julie @ Old Hickory Farm Nope. I've even sent her a personal invitation as well as the mass solicitation letter. I tried to point out that this could be a good source of ideas (as well as writers) for the Herald. So far she hasn't subscribed or asked for help in subscribing. Maybe someone who knows her could tell her about what's going on here. -- Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA When I bestride him, I soar, I am a hawk...the basest horn of his hoof is more musical than the pipe of Hermes. --William Shakespeare(1564-1616)
Re: Hello to all my new fjord friends!
This message is from: Jmggray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ingrid, We noticed from our mail that you have a Fjord BAS - did you get him from the Rivoires in Nova Scotia? We never saw him (if that is him) but did hear about him Also, your mention of Malcolm. We stayed for a week at Beaver Dam in August 96 and watched Carol's trainer work with Malcolm - actually have a video my husband took of him. He really is an exceptional animal. Do you own him or is he just in the area? We Have Jasonthe fox hunting Fjord although since our move to Maine in September his and my husband's fox hunting days are over since there are no Hunts in this area. Since there is a lot of polo I've told my husband he and Jason will have to get involved in that but I have not received an affirmative answer from either one of them. Jason is really quite a hoss as they say in Maine and Mel has had and I am sure will have more great rides with him. He had been a problem Fjord solely due to being spoiled by his original owner (loved too much) but he and Mel hit it off great with nary a problem once he learned who the leader was and he was to go forward not backward. Loves to jump so they have taken lessons and will take more this spring. I have a fat Haflinger on the drafty side - great driving pony and good trail horse. Enough - Joanne, Mel Goble and BDF Jason
Re: Alpha status
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glen MacGillivray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We (my wife is lurking here somewhere too) have little experience with horses, and got our two Fjords last October. I am becoming concerned about our ability to start Nadia [2 year old filly] properly. I suspect that green owner/green horse is a poor combination and wonder what others think. Are we being foolish in planning to do this ourselves? Should we try to hire a trainer? Should we plan to bring her to another stable where she can be trained? I can sympathize---I began my equine involvement by acquiring a weanling donkey, then raising and training her by the book in one hand, reins in the other method. I can just about guarantee that you WILL make mistakes, and that some of them will be very difficult to undo. (Later, I read that green + green = black-and-blue.) Training really goes much better if one of you knows what you are doing! I suspect that your best course would be to engage a trainer, not only for Nadia, but also for yourselves. Teaching her does no good if you aren't shown how to maintain and continue the training progression. Meanwhile, spend some time watching your mares interact. Assuming that Nadia respects Breeze, spend some time studying how Breeze puts her in her place when Nadia gets pushy. It doesn't have to be a violent maneuver---Fjord body language can be quite subtle---but your response to Nadia's misbehaviors has to be immediate (within 3 to 5 seconds), and it has to be carried thru until she says, Yes, sir! Every time. The hardest lesson for me to learn was that I could be my donkey's herd leader (boss), or I could be her herdmate (buddy)---not both. For the safety of all involved, the only place for a human in an equine pecking order is on top. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re: this and that
This message is from: saskia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julie Will wrote: Yes! We use John Lyons methods to start our Fjords, and almost always work them at the trot; They certainly don't have the same flight reactions...sometimes I have to really push them to get them to move away from me! Julie @ Old Hickory Farm Aha So I see I'm not the only one with a *sticky* Fjord!!! It's strange, because my Fjord Unna was very good in the 7 Games, she understood everything immediately, even the porcupine game. But Sybren... I heard that I could pinch him if he didn't want to move away, just like another horse would bite him in his neck... But that doesn't affect him either! I have been knotting rope halters for my girl and the two guys today. (description on: http://www.azstarnet.com/~sunrise/horse/halter/fiador.html#anchor2241 So tomorrow I can begin seriously! vbg Saskia, from Belgium.
Horse-thinking
This message is from: Percy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Saskia and list ! Saskia , just some short comments to your mail: Your reflexion about Sybrens place in the heard hierarchy is logical human thinking which are not so much in use among horses. When you are together with Sybren it is you two and all that matters is, who is Alpha then. About backing a young horse I did not mean that you back him any long distance, it is only for the purpose of leadership, so one step at a time initiated by you is fully enough. Then he should get release and a smile from you so he knows what you want from him. Horses are reading much more from our bodies than we think so a smile in the right moment could be all the difference. You should try to establish your personal space in which he has no right to come unless invited. Ursula wrote about the unmovable colt : My advice: Leave any system or manual like wiggling the rope. The method is not important what matters is the result. Result comes out of doing things so the horse will understand. If you try wiggling the rope and then give up trying to move the colts feets, than he has just started to teach you to quit if he only resists long enough. Then he is the Alpha. You must get him to move, so use your fantasy , take the end of the rope swing it in front of his nose, quit and smile as soon as he as much as think of backing up. Have a nice time all of you with your fjords! Percy Horse Human in Harmony Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] HomePage http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-69744
Re: this and that
This message is from: Julie Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:13 AM 4/9/98 +, you wrote: This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes! We use John Lyons methods to start our Fjords, and almost always work them at the trot; They certainly don't have the same flight reactions...sometimes I have to really push them to get them to move away from me! Julie @ Old Hickory Farm Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another discussion mentioned Lyons, Parelli and Hemfling etc. which makes me wonder how many Fjord owners are using these more 'natural' methods in their training. Personally, I feel it's the only way to go for Fjords but have found also, that some of the activities such as Parelli's 'Porcupine Game' have interesting reactions. Wheras another breed would react/respond instantly and/or actively, the Fjord will endure much more pressure. Last summer, we sent my husband's Fjord gelding, Rom, to a John Lyons certified trainer for some remedial work (he needed some of the potholes in his training repaved). After 2 weeks, CW allowed as how Rom might be his first failure---Rom just wasn't getting it about the round penning basics. However, CW kept at it, and later admitted that Rom had taught him a few things. Apparently, matters improved when CW let Rom work at the extended trot, instead of trying to push him into a canter. I had tried to explain that Fjord's body language and flight reactions were different than most horses' (CW mostly sees Quarter Horses and Arabs), but I don't think he believed me at first! Marsha Jo Hannah Murphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re: John Lyons
This message is from: saskia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Bill, I am a fan of John Lyons also. Fact is I will see him tomorrow in Columbus, Ohio. Oh! Will you tell more about him? Nothing beats good ground training. That is very true, though it is often neglected. Saskia
Re: Horse-thinking
This message is from: saskia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Percy! When you are together with Sybren it is you two and all that matters is, who is Alpha then. yes. I made a rope halter for him today and tomorrow I'll take him into the picadero (square penn of 10 by 10 meters that is euh... 30 by 30 feet???) because it is true that the two others are always *jealously interfering* when I try to do something with him, so maybe it's good to be in an isolated place with him. About backing a young horse I did not mean that you back him any long distance, it is only for the purpose of leadership, so one step at a time initiated by you is fully enough. okay. Then he should get release and a smile from you so he knows what you want from him. That makes me think about something: Unna (my Fjord mare) used to smile. Did one of you ever see a horse smiling? I never saw it before Unna did it. I was so astonished, Tom and I were building her stable and she stood there, smiling and I thought: I'm imagining things. and Tom (the non-horse-sensitive) looked at her and said: Look! Unna is smiling!. The corners of her mouth really were up, like when humans smile, and she looked so happy! Strange!!! Saskia
Re: Alpha status
This message is from: saskia [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suspect that green owner/green horse is a poor combination and wonder what others think. I don't think that must be a poor combination, Glen. Just as long as you don't over-haste yourselves and/or Nadia. When I bought Unna I hadn't been near a horse for 12 years. By playing and being with her a lot, we got to know each other very well. I felt that Unna was unconditionally mine (emotionally I mean) and I knew that she knew that of me too. But I'm sure she would have accepted me without any problem on her back now (I would have begun riding by now, as she would have been 3 years old since March 22nd). I'm sure you will be able to train her yourselves, but never do anything that feels too soon or not right. Are we being foolish in planning to do this ourselves? No!!! I think it's the best thing you can do! Should we try to hire a trainer? No, but you can read books (I'm sure you already do) and ask other people's opinions. The 7 Games of Parelli are fun to do and they help to establish the respect between horse and man. (As I will try to establish between Sybren and me from tomorrow on, ahum ahum!!! :-)) Should we plan to bring her to another stable where she can be trained? I wouldn't do that either. She should be with you. Just take all the time it needs. We have had great success training our dogs to be helpful companions, and we had assumed that we could learn to do the same with horses. I made a mistake in that way: I thought I could teach things to a horse in the same way as to dogs. But dogs (and people) are predators and horses are prey-animals. So there's a very different kind of psychology in a dog and in a horse. A horse has to be fearful and on his guard always, by nature, or he would be eaten by a predator very soon. But if you get a horse so far as to think: My human will protect me from predators, I can trust him/her, it can get very doggyish manners (like my Shetland-pony Janosch). I think you should try it yourselves! You have more than 70 friends on this list to help you. I can imagine what happened with the hay. I was really afraid of Kitty, the first weeks she was here. She ran upon me by purpose, threw me to the ground, bruised my ribs, kicked on my knee when she had thrown me to the ground... I was always black and blue and limping... I ran away crying a lot of times. Then I decided to sell her, because she scared me so, but I thought: If someone comes to look at her, I should be able to show that she's a nice horse.. So I collected all my courage and went working with her in a square penn. She didn't like it, I didn't like it, we didn't like eachother, but I got some controll over her. And one day (Valentine's Day), a friend came to look at her and he said: What a bitch! and he slapped her. And on that moment I got so angry and I cried: You hit MY horse! and on the same moment I realized that she was mine and that I wanted her to stay. And I stopped expecting more of her than she wanted to offer and everything is getting better every day. That sounds stupid, but it's true. And I really love her. So, as you already love your Nadia, you'll do fine! From wet, cold and dark Belgium, Saskia.
Alpha status
This message is from: Glen MacGillivray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, our 2 year old filly Nadia successfully challenged my position in the herd. I was carrying hay on my shoulder for her and Breeze and she thought she should eat it without waiting for me to put it where it goes. I turned to prevent her, and she walked in circles around me. Eventually, I changed directions, so she did too. However, she decided that enough was enough and turned and aimed with her rear hooves. She challenged me with a couple of kicks that missed by 1 or 2 metres, so she wasn't trying to hit me, but I responded very badly I think. I more or less threw the hay down and ran away. I'd like to think I was more dignified than that, but she really did scare me. She clearly learned that the best way to get me to put the hay down NOW is to line up a kick. I say this because she did it again the next day, only without waiting any time at all...it was her first move. Again, (aaargh) I threw down the hay. However, I immediately got a riding crop and went back out. I challenged her and moved her away from the hay. I just tried to look like a dominant mare (admittedly, this is tough for me!), and bit her on the backside with the crop when she didn't yield. She did move away though. She circled and came back. I didn't let her approach the hay this time. She challenged me, but as she started to turn I bit her with the crop again. Then I turned a little and stepped away from the hay...she came back and started to eat. I was nice to her again. I might have started to regain my previous stature. The older mare (Breeze) has no problem with who stands where in the herd, but Nadia needs yet to understand that she is at the bottom and likely to stay there. We just need to ensure that the bottom is not so bad for her. We (my wife is lurking here somewhere too) have little experience with horses, and got our two Fjords last October. I am becoming concerned about our ability to start Nadia properly. I suspect that green owner/green horse is a poor combination and wonder what others think. Are we being foolish in planning to do this ourselves? Should we try to hire a trainer? Should we plan to bring her to another stable where she can be trained? A page was posted that showed some of the instinctive and biological differences between people, horses, and to some extent dogs. We have had great success training our dogs to be helpful companions, and we had assumed that we could learn to do the same with horses. Obviously, this can be learned, but can it be learned fast enough... Glen MacGillivray [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nray.com
John Lyons
This message is from: william poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a fan of John Lyons also. Fact is I will see him tomorrow in Columbus, Ohio. I have attended four of his seminars, I actually saw John get bucked off a morgan during one of his seminars. That was a sight! I use his training technques for the most part. I have not found it necessary to use the round pen reasoning with Fjords. John would tell you, not to chase a house around in a round pen unless you have too. John told me, if you can safely get on a horse's back, then that is where you start. John also tought me the ONLY time you get right down violent with a horse is when they kick or bite at you. At this time the horse should believe the world is coming to an end. But it must be all in the first three seconds after the kick or bite.( and this includes foals). I have found this to work well. You only have to do it once. As far as moving a Fjord away from me and making him give me space, I teach mine to move their feet when I cluck. My hands tell them which way to move. If I want them to move away I hold my hands out to the side (like I'm going to hug them.) If I want him to come to me I hold out only one hand in front of me. If I am in the stall with the horse and want him to move over I cluck and touch him on his side or on the side of his rump, if I'm behind him. Nothing beats good ground training. Best Regards Bill
wormers...
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's another strategy? Strongid-C (tm) is a dewormer that you feed daily which is supposed to kill the larvae as soon as they enter the stomach/intestines and not allow any eggs to be produced. Also nice is that it helps prevent any damage by 'vacationing' larvae. Yes, Brian...this is a good method in addition to the paste. The one non-fjord horse (a QH) I own had trouble keeping weight on, despite everything we tried. I am meticulous about picking up after the horses, they are fed quality forage and grain and have the best in vet care (teeth floated and shots etc...)...still he looked thin, especially after winter. I've used the Strongis C2x for a year now, and the results are fabulous! That did the trick for him. Thanks for the interesting information. Now, what's this about the Quest gel? I haven't used it yet. Ingrid
Re: this and that
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another discussion mentioned Lyons, Parelli and Hemfling etc. which makes me wonder how many Fjord owners are using these more 'natural' methods in their training. Personally, I feel it's the only way to go for Fjords but have found also, that some of the activities such as Parelli's 'Porcupine Game' have interesting reactions. Wheras another breed would react/respond instantly and/or actively, the Fjord will endure much more pressure. Last summer, we sent my husband's Fjord gelding, Rom, to a John Lyons certified trainer for some remedial work (he needed some of the potholes in his training repaved). After 2 weeks, CW allowed as how Rom might be his first failure---Rom just wasn't getting it about the round penning basics. However, CW kept at it, and later admitted that Rom had taught him a few things. Apparently, matters improved when CW let Rom work at the extended trot, instead of trying to push him into a canter. I had tried to explain that Fjord's body language and flight reactions were different than most horses' (CW mostly sees Quarter Horses and Arabs), but I don't think he believed me at first! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re: html/ascIII
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave-- Tuesday, 7 April 98, you wrote: This message is from: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] This will be a test. I am using Outlook Express. I can't find an ASCIII choice, but under Tools, then Options, I have switched to Plain Text. Is it better? I sure hope so! That does it, Dave. We all thank you! -- Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA A canter is the cure for every evil. --Benjamin Disraeli(1804-1881)
fjord horse society of GB
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO Dave McWethy Thanks for message,I dont always have time to read my Emails everyday (my machine is at work) so sorry for the delay in replying. You are right we are really spoilt for choice over here especially for naitive mountain moorland types. Fjords are so rare here, very few people even know what breed they are, let alone what they can do, so i guess people dont want to take a chance on a virtually unheard of breed. I myself was actually looking for a Highland when I found a picture of a Beautiful Fjord stallion so I did a little homework and tracked down the society but Buller was the first Fjord I'd ever seen. I personally wouldnt want any other breed they are so versatile Mind you we in Britain are very set in our ways, when it comes to Horses and Ponies,any thing under 14.2hs is more or less thought of as a childs pony. I hear people at Dressage and other ridden events calling him a Driving type Pony and i dont think this opinion helps sell them. many members of the society go showing to show people what Fjords can do! You can contact the society at FJORD HORSE SOCIETY OF GB CILYBLAIDD MANOR, PENCARREG Nr LAMPETER, CAMARTHENSHIRE, SA40 9Q4. WALES GB BYE FIONA
AW: Good morning, all
This message is from: Gilst van N.E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] paper? do you print everything? -- Van: William Coli[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 8 april 1998 10:29 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Good morning, all This message is from: William Coli [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the interest of saving time and paper, can participants in the list NOT include all of the message they are replying to in their reply? Thanks much Bill Coli
various
This message is from: Julie Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am really enjoying the active discussions, and wish a lot of them could be re-produced for the Herald! This is the kind of info that new Fjord owners are longing for! Is Sally Webber on the list? Julie @ Old Hickory Farm
worms
This message is from: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the lucid description of worm life, Brian. I had a fecal test done for a couple of my mares this fall, and the result was negative. I questioned that, wanting some more detail, and they said, Negative, we didn't see anything. What am I to make of that? Should we have looked at another sample? So what do you do, Brian, for worming of your horses?
Introductions
This message is from: Frederick J. Pack II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, We thought we would take the time to introduce ourselves. We are Fred (Short for Frederick but only my grandmother called me thatshe's dead) and Lois Pack. Pack's Peak Stables (also known as Pack's Llama Way) is located amid 70 acres of heavy forest atop a 1,200 foot mountain in the foothills of Mount Rainier, Washington State. Physically, we are SE of Seattle and West of Tacoma, Washington. We overlook an old coal mining town of Wilkeson, Washington. You map experts will have to look closely to find Wilkeson. We are South of Enumclaw, WA and Buckley, WA heading up into the Carbon Glacier area of Mount Rainier. We are the proud owners of three Fjords, Suzy, Troika (her two year old filly), and our newest addition Hiejenta who we just obtained from Anne Appleby. Troika is presently in training at a stable south of Olympia, WA. Suzy is one of the original Fjords imported into the US. She is now retired. We also raise Llamas, miniature horses, and rare birds. White Peacocks are a specialty here. I, Fred, am a retired Northwest Airlines Captain. I retired in 1996 when I turned 60 (FAA requirement) after 37 years flying across the Pacific. Lois is my child bride of 42 years. We are grateful to be members of this list and will probably read more than write. It is hard to find time in the day to even download our mail. Yeah! Sure! I'm retired. I need to go back to work to get some rest. Best to all, Fred and Lois Pack
Re: Sybren the follower
This message is from: saskia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Percy, I might be wrong, it has happened once before, but my guess on your description is that you are not really the Alpha mare in your heard of two. An Alpha mare has the ability of making the other horses come and leave whenever they want it. No, I think you are very right. But there are three horses/ponies, not two. Kitty, the eldest and the only mare, is obviously the leader of the herd, but she sees me (I think) like the alpha: I mean I can send her away, to which she responds immediately and I can ask her to come (which she does almost immediately - a few weeks ago she wouldn't come at all). (Now the Shetland, Janosch, is the second in order and with him I have no problem at all. I could go walking in the woods with him without any rope, he follows everywhere. I can send him away easily also and he waits until I call him and then he comes as quick as he can. But Sybren (the number 3 in the herd, there's no doubt about that) - no. I think you're right that he doesn't see me as a reliable leader. Which I think is strange, as n° 1 and 2 do. When I enter the meadow, it's clear that Sybren thinks: ah, there's number 4! (just like Pat Parelli says in his video). Check how old skilled horseman often are doing with a new horse. They are backing up the horse to take control over the feets. In fact, is it bad to make a 10 months old go backward? I heard it can be bad for their legs, but is this right? Of course I don't do it much, but -as you say- it is important sometimes that they do it... Every time Sybren tries to invade your space to get you moving your feet, even if he is kind, he is challenging your leadership. well, he made that very clear this evening. He had been eating his mash and afterwards used me as a napkin... take control over his feet and the rest of him will follow. Follow??? O help!!! :-) And do everything in horse-time, much, much slower than a stressed human. yes, yes, don't worry about that! I'm so slow that it often stresses my husband!!! I'll read the article you pointed to me! thank you very much!!! Sakia (Belgium) PS Of course I am very happy that Sybren wants to be with me. Maybe he thinks I need a reliable leader! :-)
this and that
This message is from: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all...there have been some real good items discussed in the last week...Dave made a good point about fitness, may I add that not letting your Fjords get too svelte ( I'm sensitive about the word fat:) ) over winter. Brian kept our herd a lot trimmer this winter and it has made bringing them back into shape a lot less work. I know that's a hard thing for all of us as these horses have a way of coaching extra rations out of us. Another discussion mentioned Lyons, Parelli and Hemfling etc. which makes me wonder how many Fjord owners are using these more 'natural' methods in their training. Personally, I feel it's the only way to go for Fjords but have found also, that some of the activities such as Parelli's 'Porcupine Game' have interesting reactions. Wheras another breed would react/respond instantly and/or actively, the Fjord will endure much more pressure. Who else has found that? Another item I found interesting was the wiggling of the lead rope to get the horse to back off. My young colt really doesn't care how hard you wiggle the rope, he just stands there. I sure do like the idea of giving our Fjord friends a lot more credit and respect by using some of these more humane methods. I was part of a Natural Horsemanship List until recently and it brought forth many good discussions and information. Hopefull this List will have the same impact for members. Here is something I discovered todayI am sick of all the hair on my jackets when going out to brush the horses. I sprayed 'Static Guard on my coat today to see if it would help... by gosh it was so much easier to get rid of the hair. I just shook my jacket and the hair fell off Dee Anna...good article on bits...I know you like the research end of horsemanship and can see where your knowledge can be a real asset to this list.That kind of info benefits everyone. There also has been some mention of the Blue Earth Show and the NFHR Evaluation. Just wanted to mention the western equivalent: The Libby Show in Libby Montana in Sept. For those of us out here in the west it's a showcase for our Fjords and a real family oriented experience. The show focuses on a relaxed atmosphere catering to all levels of competition and highlighting the versatility of the Fjord. It's held in conjunction with the local Nordicfest.The Pacific Northwest Promotional Group sponsors this event and has drawn competitors from as far away California,New Mexico, New Hampshire, Vermont, British Columbia, Ontario and the mid-west..just to mention a few. Have NFHR members received their fjord Herald? Some good articles in there, eh? (thought I'd throw the 'eh' in there to make sure you know I'm from Canada. Happy Easter Fjording to you all. Ursula Jensen, Trinity Fjords, Lumby B.C. PS. I'm using Eudora so if I need to change anything in the formating, I would have absolutely no clue as to howmy son Aaren set me up with this and I know how to get in and out and basic use of the program...please let me know if it's a problem. |---| | Ursula Brian Jensen from Trinity Fjords | | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
anaerobic activity in horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN) Dave McWethy asked whether I knew the point at which a horse's excercise became anaerobic. Although I think there is somewhat of a standard figure for people (i.e. exercise becomes anaerobic after so many minutes of hard work) I have never seen a similar figure stated for horses. Brian J. Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, NC _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Quest paste-wormer
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN) Wow - what a can of worms Steve has opened with his question about the newest paste wormer! (see vol#14) I'd also like to answer Julie's question to me, and add some details to what Marsha Jo wrote. First though, how about a brief review of worms' basic life cycles. Almost all horses have helminth intestinal parasites (worms) in their bodies. When these worms are mature enough, they mate and lay eggs which are passed out with the horses' manure and deposited on your pasture. These eggs hatch after a week or so, and the larvae climb up onto a blade of grass waiting to be eaten by your horse. When they have been eaten, and this is a very important point, they DON'T just sit there in the intestines eating what your horse is supposed to be getting. Instead they burrow through the intestinal wall and can travel to several favorite vacation spots: lungs, liver, and cranial mesenteric artery especially. When I say burrow, I do actually mean burrow, and they can cause quite a bit of damage while doing it. After a period of time there they find their way back to the intestines to breed and lay eggs and perpetuate the species. Some species of female worms can lay HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of eggs each day!! One type of worms, called small strongyles, has a sinister variation on this theme, where, after they have been eaten and arrive in the intestines, instead of vacationing they encyst or form a cyst and hibernate in the wall of the intestine. It seems they may be waiting for one of two things to happen: 1. For things to become less crowded in the intestine; Too many worms means too much competition. Or 2, for outside weather conditions to become more favorable for survival of the eggs they would like to produce. One study showed they could stay in their cysts for 2 years or more! Why did I say this was sinister? Up until recently, no dewormer could kill the encysted strongyles. Now, about dewormers. We decide it's time to deworm our horses so we go get the paste. Once they've swallowed it we know they're good for about 6- 8 weeks, right? Wrong. Here's where the 6-8 weeks comes from. Studies have shown that after using pyrantel pamoate (Strongid (tm) or Rotectin 2 (tm) tm=trademark), worm egg levels start rising again in about 6 weeks. After using something with the active ingredient Ivermectin (Zimectrin (tm), Equimectrin (tm), Rotectin 1 (tm), Eqvalan (tm), etc), egg levels start rising in about 8 weeks. So think about that. If egg counts are rising by about 6-8 weeks, we had to have mature worms in there to lay eggs, right? I didn't tell you this previously, but it takes about six weeks for some types of worms to mature enough to lay eggs. This means that your horse was reinfested immediately after you gave him the pastewormer. So, while many people are under the mistaken impression, as I used to be, that there is no worm activity going on in that 6 weeks, actually the worms have gotten right back in there shortly after you used the pastewormer and are burrowing and 'vacationing', etc., and causing damage. Why, then, do we use that 6-8 weeks as a guideline if it's not really protecting our horses from the worms? The reason is that while it is practically impossible to eliminate worms from your pasture, we can try to keep the levels down by killing some worms every 6-8 weeks, just before they become old enough to reproduce and flood your pastures with eggs. Over time this is an effective method to reduce (but not eliminate) the worm burden on a pasture. What would you have to do to actually rid your pastures of worms and keep them gone? The best way is to PICK UP THAT MANURE! And we all know how fun that is! In theory though, if you picked up manure once weekly (it takes a week or more for the worms to hatch and crawl up on the grass) you could achieve close to total control. If any of you are control freaks, here's a big project for you! : ) It could still take several years, though, because remember the encysted strongyles, waiting in there for you to slack up on your road apple picking? What's another strategy? Strongid-C (tm) is a dewormer that you feed daily which is supposed to kill the larvae as soon as they enter the stomach/intestines and not allow any eggs to be produced. Also nice is that it helps prevent any damage by 'vacationing' larvae. Still, having said all that, the tried and true method of spot deworming (paste every 6-8 weeks) seems to do a decent job in most horses, even though you know there is some larval migration going on. So it is up to you (hopefully with some input from your veterinarian) to decide which is the best program in your situation. Now how about Quest (tm) (active ingredient moxidectin)? Mostly all we have to go on right now is information from the FDA trials for approval of the dewormer. The company claims it takes 84 days before you see significant levels of
Re: this and that
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Petty) Ursula, great plug for the Libby Show, Thanks. Those of us from the PNFPG enjoy putting on the show and hope to see all of you there. Philip Petty -- From: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: this and that Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 7:51 PM This message is from: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] There also has been some mention of the Blue Earth Show and the NFHR Evaluation. Just wanted to mention the western equivalent: The Libby Show in Libby Montana in Sept. For those of us out here in the west it's a showcase for our Fjords and a real family oriented experience. The show focuses on a relaxed atmosphere catering to all levels of competition and highlighting the versatility of the Fjord. It's held in conjunction with the local Nordicfest.The Pacific Northwest Promotional Group sponsors this event and has drawn competitors from as far away California,New Mexico, New Hampshire, Vermont, British Columbia, Ontario and the mid-west..just to mention a few. Have NFHR members received their fjord Herald? Some good articles in there, eh? (thought I'd throw the 'eh' in there to make sure you know I'm from Canada. Happy Easter Fjording to you all. Ursula Jensen, Trinity Fjords, Lumby B.C. PS. I'm using Eudora so if I need to change anything in the formating, I would have absolutely no clue as to howmy son Aaren set me up with this and I know how to get in and out and basic use of the program...please let me know if it's a problem. |---| | Ursula Brian Jensen from Trinity Fjords | | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blue Earth, green grass
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:32 PM 4/7/98 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: NorFinFarm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello to all fellow Fjord lovers. I have been following the list for the past week now and decided it was time to introduce myself . My name is Karin Fjeldos-Sperbeck, my husband, Tony and I have 5 fjords at present and anxiously awaiting a foals arrival this spring! We live in central Minnesota and have become completely enthralled with our Fjords. We primarily drive them and compete in open driving. Alot of our activity surrounds a driving and carriage society we belong to. It is interesting to note that at our winter sleigh ride out of 12 units 4 of them were pulled by Fjords! Hi Karen, welcome to the list. For those of you with interest in Blue Earth, we have attended the past two years and thoroughly enjoyed it. The mosquitoes were not bad as far as I can remember!! We plan to attend again this year and hope to meet some of you from the list there. Well I will be there along with my wife Renee daughter Niki. We will see you there. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) http://www.nfhr.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 ===
