Re: Fjord Too Fat for Sports Saddle?
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Gail re Sport saddle: The Sport saddles wouldn't work on my Fjords, for the spines of the backbone are always somewhat evident, the highest point in the back, even when fat and they would have to be humongously fat to ever get a groove down the back like a quarterhorse or some other breeds. I think the sport saddle would be pressing on the spine in this case and maybe that was what was happening? How about the Austrailian stock saddle, sposed to have some that fit quarterhorses, but FJords?? Anyway, Colin Danguaard's co. the austalian Stock Saddle Co. is out there in California.(Malibut: (818) 889=7271) I go along with the suggestion to use your Collegiate, tho, with those other stirrups, and a longer leathers, etc. At 10:09 AM 6/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I am posting this message to the Fjord Horse list and the trail riding list. >Sorry for any repeated messages. > >Well, it appears that Gunthar is the kind of horse who needs a "stretch Mu >Mu." And he isn't even all that fat. > >I decided yesterday that I needed to try out a Circle Y (Bob Marshall) >Sports Saddle for Gunthar.>(For those in Europe, it is known as a treeless saddle, essentially heavy >leather joining a pommel (sp) and cantle - and that is it. I do not exactly >understand how it works. I think it differs from a bareback pad in that the >pommel and cantle act like two separate "trees" joined by the leather >between them. [snip] >Well, Gunthar hated the saddle. And he repeatedly told me in no uncertain >terms that it is *not* a "one size fits all." [snip] as I >know. However, after it sat there a few moments he put his ears back and >kept trying to turn his head back to the saddle. When I cinced it up he was >clearly very unhappy. The look on his face was such that I decided to treat >him like a horse that just might buck when mounted (put a little weight in >stirrups from the ground, test things out, etc). Gunthar is used to an >elastic cinch, and the big wide felt one I got with the saddle seemed to >wrinkle his skin some. I tried to correct that, loosened the cinch some. I >think it is possible that I put the saddle on too far back such that the >"pommel tree" was digging into his back/shoulders. However, this should not >really be all that crucial if this is truly a "one size fits all" saddle. >ANyway, he nipped at me when I tried to mount (*never nips*) and was >generally very very unhappy. > >After riding for a little while we loosened the girth and checked things >out. Decided the saddle might be a bit too far back and moved it forward. >Still seemed to dig into his shoulders - sort of like a saddle that is >really designed for a horse with higher, narrower withers. There was a >*lot* of pressure under the front "pommel tree". [snip] may be sticking with the Collegiate >Senior Event saddle - but adding Cloud Stirrups (already ordered) and >possibly some kind of elastic stirrups to give my knees a break (anyone >remember where to order them - I've seen them somewhere). > >TIA for your assisatnce. > >Gail and a very unhappy Gunthar, who does not want to demo this saddle this >weekend unless there are some *big* changes in management. >Gail Russell >Forestville CA >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ** Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #87
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Address for Springtime, Inc. is P.O.Box 1227, Cockeysville, MD 21030 Phone: (800) 521-3212, Fax: (410) 771-1530) They also carry Garlic powder (Bug-Off Garlic for insect repellent for horses), Bee Pollen, and DMG, Also "Trace Lytes" which interesingly contains Diatomaceous earth, etc. Various componds for people, horses and dogs. Their service has been very prompt, with discounts on quantity and combinations of products in quantity. So get together with your friends for an order! At 07:16 AM 6/18/98 -0400, you wrote: >This message is from: Arthur Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>From Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia to Jean Ernest. > >Thanks for replying. -- >> >>There is a very good article in Michael Plumb's Horse Journal, November, >>1997: "Cartilage Supplements Help Treat Arthritis" > >If would very much appreciate receiving a copy of Michael Plumb's article. Carol, I'll probably copy and send it in the mail as it is long, and I want to order your book anyway. Do you have a Fax No.? Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it is sunny and 75 degrees predicted. 21 hours, 40 minutes of sunshine, and doesn't get dark at all, but we'll start LOSING daylight in four days! :-( ** Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fjord Too Fat for Sports Saddle?
This message is from: "Alison Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail Russell wrote: > Well, Gunthar hated the saddle. And he repeatedly told me in no uncertain > terms that it is *not* a "one size fits all." I'm writing to the list to > get feedback on whether the problem is possibly "operator error" on my part, > spoiled horsey, on Gunthar's part, or whether others have had horses who > *hated* the Sports Saddle. Would also love further feedback on what to do > next. Following was our experience. > > I let Gunthar sniff the saddle. No problem. Put it on his back. No > problem - even though I expected him to spook a bit at an oversized > Western/type saddle as he has always worn an English saddle as far as I > know. However, after it sat there a few moments he put his ears back and > kept trying to turn his head back to the saddle. When I cinced it up he was > clearly very unhappy. The look on his face was such that I decided to treat > him like a horse that just might buck when mounted (put a little weight in > stirrups from the ground, test things out, etc). Gunthar is used to an > elastic cinch, and the big wide felt one I got with the saddle seemed to > wrinkle his skin some. I tried to correct that, loosened the cinch some. I > think it is possible that I put the saddle on too far back such that the > "pommel tree" was digging into his back/shoulders. However, this should not > really be all that crucial if this is truly a "one size fits all" saddle. > ANyway, he nipped at me when I tried to mount (*never nips*) and was > generally very very unhappy. > > After riding for a little while we loosened the girth and checked things > out. Decided the saddle might be a bit too far back and moved it forward. > Still seemed to dig into his shoulders - sort of like a saddle that is > really designed for a horse with higher, narrower withers. There was a > *lot* of pressure under the front "pommel tree". The saddle also seemed to > force the saddle pad (we were using a good quality dressage pad) down > tightly onto the withers, even though we'd tried to lift it up off his > withers. In general it looked like every other too narrow saddle I've tried > on Gunthar, except that it also put pressure *on top* of his withers. > > Additionally, I hated the rough out exterior when trying to dismount. You > sort of stick in the saddle and have to climb over the pommel and you stick > to the saddle, thus causing saddle sores from clothing rubs. (I"ve rubbed > myself raw - even in tights.) > > So, I'd appreciate opinions on whether this is operator error or fussy horse > stuff, or limitations of the Sports Saddle/all treeles saddles? Also on > possible alternatives - one of which may be sticking with the Collegiate > Senior Event saddle - but adding Cloud Stirrups (already ordered) and > possibly some kind of elastic stirrups to give my knees a break (anyone > remember where to order them - I've seen them somewhere). A seat saver might help keep you comfortable in your old saddle. It fits over the seat of the saddle, Is made of sheepskin and foam, and could be made at home. try lengthening your stirrups, for knee problems. Fjords are not your typical horse. Sure, it will fit all standard sizes, but Fjords are not standard. watch saddles that pinch the withers, as they can cause fistulous withers, and there are draining problems with wither related problems. I would think that a treeless saddle would not distribute the weight over the lumbar muscles very well, and when put on a really wide horse, would flatten and lie on the withers. I am sending this to the mailing group, so any wrong ideas of mine can be fixed.
Re: Fjord Too Fat for Sports Saddle?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 98-06-18 13:18:17 EDT, you write: << Gail and a very unhappy Gunthar, who does not want to demo this saddle this weekend unless there are some *big* changes in management. >> Poor Gail, and poor Gunthar. Sounds like a miserable saddle experience. Have you tried the Australian saddles? You can measure your horse, withers on down, send in a tracing of the measurements and they will custom make the saddle to fit your horse. I've got one I use for Juniper, it is fantastic! Haven't tried it on Nikki yet, as she is sorta (very) fat and pregnant to boot! After she has her baby, and I've been working her and getting some of that weight off, I'll try it on her too. Pamela Hillsboro, Oregon
Re: Lice
This message is from: Julia Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:24 AM 6/18/98 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Shouldn't you see the nits on the hair shafts. One vet said the darkish area were lice eggs...another vet said no, it was damaged hair shafts. We have had head lice experience also...kids in school...but this really has me puzzled. I definately doesn't look like the "glued on" nits that one sees with humal lice. Of course I am a "bit" past 40, and you know what happens to close vision...don't know if I would see a louse if it was staring me in the face! Julie in New York
Re: Lice
This message is from: Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Shouldn't you see the nits on the hair shafts. I have, ahem, *extensive* experience with human head lice. They lay eggs on the shaft at a precisely predictable distance from the skin. Your vet should be able to tell you how to identify them if they are anything at all like human head lice. At 10:49 AM 6/18/98 -0400, you wrote: >This message is from: Julia Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi Amy ~ no the problem isn't limited to summer, and the brownish spots >appear to be actual damage to the hair shafts when magnified. We don't >see any inflamation or redness on the skin. Can I send you hair samples? > Julie >> > > > > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pony Club, Supplements human & fjord
This message is from: Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Grand Flex is supposedly "food grade." So I was told by the manufacturer. At 09:58 AM 6/18/98 +, you wrote: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I know a man, 52 ish who has very bad knees and takes 1200 mg of >Gluc 900 mg Chon / with Vit. C.. It is packaged for horse (Grand >Flex), same ingrediants and cost less. > >I wonder if we shouldn't be cautious about consuming medications, >even herbal ones, which are packaged for non-human consumption. In an >earlier posting Mike May (I believe) mentioned "good" diatomaceous >earth versus "bad" DE. The former is considered "food grade", while >the latter is for pool filters. While I don't know the exact >difference, presumably, some one has determined that there are >additional ingrediants (contaminants?) which would advise against >consuming the wrong grade. In regards to crop protection chemicals >(A.K.A. "pesticides") we always note that "natural does not mean >harmless". > >--- >William M. Coli >Extension Educator/ Statewide IPM Coordinator >Dept. of Entomology >Agricultural Engineering Bldg. >UMass >Amherst MA 01003 >Phone: 413-545-1051 >Fax: 413-545-5858 >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >"Always drink upstream from the herd". From: A Cowboy's Guide to Life, by T.B. Bender > > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lice
This message is from: Julia Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Amy ~ no the problem isn't limited to summer, and the brownish spots appear to be actual damage to the hair shafts when magnified. We don't see any inflamation or redness on the skin. Can I send you hair samples? Julie >
Re: Hello from a new person!
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> TaliaRolan-- Wednesday, 17 June 98, you wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi! I'm known online as TaliaRolan. I'm from Central Minnesota, USA. I don't > own a Fjord, or any horse for that matter, but I absolutely love this breed. You should certainly put a visit to Blue Earth in your calendar for next month. The Midwest Fjord Horse Club with hold an evaluation and show there at the Fairbault county fairgrounds. The evaluation will be July 26 & 27, and the show will be on the 28th and 29th. It will be a very good opportunity for you to meet many breeders and see many Fjords. Last time there was an evaluation held in Blue Earth over 100 horses were present. -- Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA What a piece of work is a horse! In action how like an angel! In apprehension how like a man! --James Agate(1877-1947)
Re: Hello from a new person!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . When I get my first horse, it'll definitely be a Fjord! HEAR, HEAR!! --- William M. Coli Extension Educator/ Statewide IPM Coordinator Dept. of Entomology Agricultural Engineering Bldg. UMass Amherst MA 01003 Phone: 413-545-1051 Fax: 413-545-5858 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Always drink upstream from the herd". From: A Cowboy's Guide to Life, by T.B. Bender
Re: Pony Club, Supplements human & fjord
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know a man, 52 ish who has very bad knees and takes 1200 mg of Gluc 900 mg Chon / with Vit. C.. It is packaged for horse (Grand Flex), same ingrediants and cost less. I wonder if we shouldn't be cautious about consuming medications, even herbal ones, which are packaged for non-human consumption. In an earlier posting Mike May (I believe) mentioned "good" diatomaceous earth versus "bad" DE. The former is considered "food grade", while the latter is for pool filters. While I don't know the exact difference, presumably, some one has determined that there are additional ingrediants (contaminants?) which would advise against consuming the wrong grade. In regards to crop protection chemicals (A.K.A. "pesticides") we always note that "natural does not mean harmless". --- William M. Coli Extension Educator/ Statewide IPM Coordinator Dept. of Entomology Agricultural Engineering Bldg. UMass Amherst MA 01003 Phone: 413-545-1051 Fax: 413-545-5858 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Always drink upstream from the herd". From: A Cowboy's Guide to Life, by T.B. Bender
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #87
This message is from: Arthur Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia to Jean Ernest. Thanks for replying. -- > >There is a very good article in Michael Plumb's Horse Journal, November, >1997: "Cartilage Supplements Help Treat Arthritis" If would very much appreciate receiving a copy of Michael Plumb's article. I've seen it mentioned in one of the catalogs I get. > > >I myself take Gucosamine complex and Chondroitin sulfate (Schiff brand at >present) and swear that it has really helped my knees and joins in general. > Also give it to my 15 year old siberian husky, who was getting a bit stiff >in the rear end. BTW I first read about the use of these compounds for >horses and got a pure concentrated brand of some made for horses and took >it myself! Springtime Natural Supplements Co. carries it for people , >horses and dogs! Jean, I'd also love to have the address of SPRINTIME NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS CO. > Thanks, Carol > >-- > >End of fjordhorse-digest V98 #87 > > > >
Hello from a new person!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! I'm known online as TaliaRolan. I'm from Central Minnesota, USA. I don't own a Fjord, or any horse for that matter, but I absolutely love this breed. My first (and unfortunatley only) experience with Fjords was on a trip to the Netherlands a few years ago at a rental stable on the island of Texel (beautiful scenery and LOTS of sheep). I was at first skeptical of Jip's (Jip and Janneke were the names of the two Fjords, named after the Dutch storybook characters) somewhat stocky and shaggy experience. What kind of old nad was this? I soon found out, much to my delight, that Jip's temperment, willingness to work, and smooth gaits far exceeded my expectations. I later found out, while back in the States, that these qualities were not unique to Jip, but were quite common in Fjords. I'm eager to hear about your Fjords and your experiences with the breed. When I get my first horse, it'll definitely be a Fjord! xoxo [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Anyone know of any Fjord chatrooms on AOL?
Lice
This message is from: Julia Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The "L" word, and I don't mean love! Several years ago when we brought our first stallion and were preparing him for a show, I noticed dirty appearing areas in the white of his mane that wouldn't wash out. They were impervious to every solution I used, including clorex and peroxide. (Not on the horse...I pulled hairs for "test" cleanings!) Finally I asked a vet who suggested it was from LICE! Upon close examination, the shaft of the hair has short, brownish areas that don't wash or scrape off, and the hair breaks easily. The affected animals usually rub their manes and tails but not always. I have never seen the actual louse, but when I treat with lice dust the new hair growth comes in white and perfect, and the brown stained areas gradually grow out and are trimmed off. Over the last 6 years we have purchased Fjords from all over, and many of them have arrived with this problem, so I think it is fairly common, but perhaps not recognized? We recently got a mare in for breeding with a foal by her side, and while the mare's mane looked pretty normal, (close examination did show some brown "stains") the foal's tail was mostly rubbed off, and the hairs that remained were almost completely stained brown. (He is only a month old!) I would really be interested to hear from others who have noticed this problem, because having never seen the lice, I still find it hard to believe. I will be happy to send sample hairs to anyone who would like a closer look! Julie @ Old Hickory Farm in upstate New York.
Re: Lice
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Julia, This sounds like it may be more from Culicoides hypersensitivity rather than lice. Culicoides is a gnat and will attack the horse in the mane and tail causing the area to itch and become inflamed. If you've never seen the lice, this could be a possibility. Also, lice tend to concentrate more in the mane whereas culicoides will attack both mane and tail. The season may provide a clue. The gnats obviously are active in the summer time, but lice tend to be more of a problem in the winter. The brownish discoloring is due to blood when the gnat bites. -Steve Steve and Amy White On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:40:38 -0400 Julia Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >This message is from: Julia Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >The "L" word, and I don't mean love! Several years ago when we >brought >our first stallion and were preparing him for a show, I noticed dirty >appearing areas in the white of his mane that wouldn't wash out. They >were >impervious to every solution I used, including clorex and peroxide. >(Not >on the horse...I pulled hairs for "test" cleanings!) Finally I asked >a vet >who suggested it was from LICE! Upon close examination, the shaft of >the >hair has short, brownish areas that don't wash or scrape off, and the >hair >breaks easily. The affected animals usually rub their manes and tails >but >not always. I have never seen the actual louse, but when I treat with >lice >dust the new hair growth comes in white and perfect, and the brown >stained >areas gradually grow out and are trimmed off. Over the last 6 years >we >have purchased Fjords from all over, and many of them have arrived >with >this problem, so I think it is fairly common, but perhaps not >recognized? >We recently got a mare in for breeding with a foal by her side, and >while >the mare's mane looked pretty normal, (close examination did show >some >brown "stains") the foal's tail was mostly rubbed off, and the hairs >that >remained were almost completely stained brown. (He is only a month >old!) >I would really be interested to hear from others who have noticed this >problem, because having never seen the lice, I still find it hard to >believe. I will be happy to send sample hairs to anyone who would >like a >closer look! Julie @ Old Hickory Farm in upstate New York. > > > _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
