Re: Farmer Brown
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Farmer Brown, 'At $5 a week, there ain't gonna be none.' Good one Tillie! Goes to show, you get what you pay for. Lori
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #218
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol, you have mentioned the amount of time it took for the breed standard many times now. Yes it did take a long time. But did you know that until last year Norway did not have a breed standard either! It took them what 2,000 years??? Guess we are doing pretty good. As to the consultant suggestion you keep bringing up... The BOD doesn't meet every week, or every month for that matter. For instance the last meeting was Sept. 23rd. The next one isn't until Nov. 4th. And in case you didn't know we did hire a consultant for assistance on the breed standard. In fact it was Wayne himself. Amen to that Mike!
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #218
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) Kristine, I think you will find lots of interesting tidbits on this chat line. One of the down sides of fjords is they attract lots of people new to horses. What makes America interesting is the diversity of people in it. Sometimes this diversity leads to new ways of looking at old problems. I learned about horses from an old cowboy from Montana. He showed me how to harness, drove the team (not fjords) around the corral once, then told me when I had a problem come to him. He would tell me the same story everytime but the ending changed to help me fix the problem. I think maybe people get their horse sense out of books now - you know I'm OK, You're OK. Or maybe they saw the Horse Whisperer. I learned something new from that but I think I will continue to throw a horse by tying up a hind foot instead. Throwing a horse is not my idea of a nice way to spend an afternoon nor is putting a running W on one but they seen to be effective training aids when needed. After a running W is employed I find horses stop when you say whoa. Common sense should be considered when speaking of sensitivity. People should remember that fjords are slow to mature youngsters have growth plates where older horses have bone. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Mike
This message is from: Evers [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wrote it as a Question not saying I wanted to screw it up ! This is why we need a rule book that every New member would get know it is a rule ( a good one by the way.) Where is it written ? Or is it a rule we have to ask about then get an answer like' WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SCREW IT UP'?!! shame on you this time.(Mike) We are not new on Breeding horses nor did we breed out of the breed we dont intend to do so now. A QUESTION IS SEEKING THE RIGHT ANSWER.I am glad I did I hope others will help in pushing the BOD to put the rules on paper so we will all know CONTINUE TO KEEP THIS A PURE BREED By the way I believe someone is breeding outside the breed (They can.t all come from Canada ) As we have come across many that are not Reg. Friend ? Tillie Have you heard this one Joe needed to board his horse for a couple of months while he went on the road, so he went to see Farmer Jones. Jones said 'I charge $50 a week, and I keep the manure. Joe said that was too much money, so Jones suggested he try Farmer Smith. Smith said 'I charge $40 a week, and I keep the manure. Joe said that was still too much, so Smith told him to check with Farmer Brown down the road. Joe went to see Farmer Brown, who said he would keep him for $5 a week. Joe was understandably pleased with this price, so, he offered, 'I suppose you will want to keep the manure.' 'Feller,' drawled Farmer Brown, 'At $5 a week, there ain't gonna be none.' Bud Tillie Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
AGM of NFHR @ Libby
This message is from: Anton Voorhoeve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, this is Anton Voorhoeve from Fjord Horses of Narnia. I would like to add my thoughts to the discussion concerning the NFHR meeting held in Libby this year. In order for any organization to thrive, their meetings and gatherings must be vital and meaningful, offering something of value to the members. The meeting in Libby was a pleasant social gathering where I left feeling pleased that I could now put some faces to names. However, in spite of the large number of members being present who represented so much of the continent , there was no serious discussion about the important matters pertinent to our association. This was a rare opportunity for meaningful dialogue that was missed. It could have been a time when our association moved forward in reaching towards its goal of preserving and improving the quality of the Norwegian Fjord Horse. The potential of this mailing list is quickly becoming evident with the abundance of ideas being exchanged. But communicating in this way has not been proven as an effective means for getting action . All the ideas and proposals may be lost in cyber space because there is no formal mechanism for acting upon them. This does not replace the forum of a face to face meeting, especially an annual general meeting for getting things done. The NFHR executives to this point are to be commended for bringing the association as far as they have. However, I would like to see future NFHR meetings become more focused on making decisions and formulating plans; and to become a place where proposals given serious discussion within the rules of the constitution. Anton Voorhoeve.
Re: Mike
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:48 AM 10/22/98 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Evers [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wrote it as a Question not saying I wanted to screw it up ! This is why we need a rule book that every New member would get know it is a rule ( a good one by the way.) Where is it written ? Or is it a rule we have to ask about then get an answer like' WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SCREW IT UP'?!! shame on you this time.(Mike) Sorry if I came on strong Tillie. This is one area that is really sensitive to me. These horses are so good the way they are I don't think they can be improved upon. Yes people have tried. No they haven't made any better horses or mules for that matter. So I am sorry if you took offense to my reply but keeping the breed pure is one of the NFHR's Prime Directives so to speak. We are not new on Breeding horses nor did we breed out of the breed we dont intend to do so now. A QUESTION IS SEEKING THE RIGHT ANSWER.I am glad I did I hope others will help in pushing the BOD to put the rules on paper so we will all know CONTINUE TO KEEP THIS A PURE BREED Good. By the way I believe someone is breeding outside the breed (They can.t all come from Canada ) As we have come across many that are not Reg. Oh I know there are people out there that are cross breeding. I am not that naive. They just won't get registered with us. That is one of the reason we went to DNA typing parentage verifications of all horses BEFORE they are registered. (except geldings) Friend ? Tillie Sure we are. I don't get mad that easy. ;-) Have you heard this one Cute one Tillie == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #218
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:02 PM 10/22/98 -0300, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hi Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia. The board members are volunteers, and we're grateful for their time and work. They have their own farms, and perhaps other jobs as well. --- They've done a good job, BUT more can always be done, and what's done can be improved upon. And the things they do don't have to take as long as in the past; such as, the Breed Standard - 14 or so years in the making. This is where the hiring of a professional Consultant would help move the NFHR forward, and by doing so, be of help to Fjord breeders and owners. Carol, you have mentioned the amount of time it took for the breed standard many times now. Yes it did take a long time. But did you know that until last year Norway did not have a breed standard either! It took them what 2,000 years??? Guess we are doing pretty good. As to the consultant suggestion you keep bringing up... The BOD doesn't meet every week, or every month for that matter. For instance the last meeting was Sept. 23rd. The next one isn't until Nov. 4th. And in case you didn't know we did hire a consultant for assistance on the breed standard. In fact it was Wayne himself. The board does hire outside help when needed. Right now we are working with a database programmer to customise the canned software he sells to fit our needs. Roger gets help from a CPA now and then when needed. I have contacted a videographer regarding the promo video everyone wants. I guess I don't really see the need for a consultant on a full time or regular basis just yet. We do need a promotions person for sure. This will be discussed on the next BOD meeting. I'm a professional breeder with a large stake in the registry. As a breeder,I could use support from my registry in the form of promotion. The NFHR does not seem able to do that on a par with other registries; ie, the Freisans, Haflingers, Icelandics, Warmbloods, etc. Therefore, I think it would make good business sense for the registry to hire a professional consultant. It would be cost effective as this person would certainly generate sufficient growth to pay his salary. I just happened to be looking at the Freisan home page the other day. I was quite surprised to see that their memberships were a lot higher than ours are. Single Members: $75.00 Family or business $110 Maybe this is how they do all of the promotion they do. I didn't see the rates for registration etc. Check it out at http://www.fhana.com/MembApp.htm Mike
Re: Beavers in the barnyard
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, I Think you've got the answer! Maybe they were reading my mind...I hope they take me with them! (Six months of snow on the ground is a depressing thought when it begins here in October!) Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, 15 degrees this morning, but we got winter shoes on the two boys yesterday! Let's go out and enjoy the snow! At 11:12 AM 10/22/98 +, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could it be that the herd decided to break out and head south to get away from approaching winter? (Ha, Ha) Life is good, especially considering the alternative. William M. Coli ** Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #218
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hi Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia. No hard frost as yet, but it's close. Flowers still blooming, and I haven't picked all the tomatoes, but the window of opportunity is now. A few days ago skimming through the Digest, I started to read somebody's contribution about NFHR presence at Equitana. As I got into the message, I was more and more impressed and amazed at this person's knowledge, experience, research, and the fact that he/she cared enough to share it all with us. I wondered, Who is this person? Well, of course, at the end, I discovered it was Wayne Hipsley. I should have known. What other contributor is that experienced in the general horse world? Wayne was expressing what I had been getting at concerning whether or not such a large chunk of NFHR funds (our money) should be spent at one function. I was never saying we should not be at Equitana. I was asking questions - Might there not be other promotional vehicles equally effective? And should all our eggs be in this one basket? --- Now, thanks to Wayne's contribution, we at least know about the other baskets in which we might put some of our eggs. Wayne has given the BOD a lot of facts which I hope they consider. Perhaps it might be smart to skip it next year, and do the Ohio Trade Show. Something to think about! The board members are volunteers, and we're grateful for their time and work. They have their own farms, and perhaps other jobs as well. --- They've done a good job, BUT more can always be done, and what's done can be improved upon. And the things they do don't have to take as long as in the past; such as, the Breed Standard - 14 or so years in the making. This is where the hiring of a professional Consultant would help move the NFHR forward, and by doing so, be of help to Fjord breeders and owners. I'm a professional breeder with a large stake in the registry. As a breeder,I could use support from my registry in the form of promotion. The NFHR does not seem able to do that on a par with other registries; ie, the Freisans, Haflingers, Icelandics, Warmbloods, etc. Therefore, I think it would make good business sense for the registry to hire a professional consultant. It would be cost effective as this person would certainly generate sufficient growth to pay his salary. The Oxford Dictionary defines professional as - 'One who has an expert knowledge of a complex disciplin'. Definition #2 - 'One who makes his living from what would normally be an avocation.' Wayne Hipsley is such a person, and in addition he knows Fjords. I've been a professional breeder for 18 years. I learned long ago that I couldn't do everything myself. One of the things I can't do is train riding horses, so I hire someone who can. Although I could train t he driving horses, I don't have the time for all of them, so we hire a professional trainer. It makes good business sense. Those people are so good at their jobs that they generate the sales to pay their salaries. Our customers benefit from professionally trained horses, and the breed benefits from the good ambassadors our well-trained Fjords become. I know for a fact that if we did not have professional trainers, our sales would suffer. I think this applies equally to the NFHR. I think the registry needs professional help. What do you think? _ On another subject: I think Laura and Craig Wich's program of working with yearlings is right on the money. They discovered early on what took us many years to come to; namely that working with yearlings is just the next step in Imprint Training. It's not foal abuse! You work the yearling two or three times a week for a half hour. He has 23 1/2 hours left of his day to be a horse. This early work is VERY EFFECTIVE, and in the long run, makes life easier for the horse as he'll not be spending his life as a pasture ornament. He needs to have the skills, attitude, and work ethic to earn his place in the barn. It's a Headstart Program for horses, and those horses whose owners are smart enough to implement such a program, are lucky indeed. Best Regards, Carol Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Another Joke
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, Mike's hilarious jokes and Carol's mention of deer season have prompted me to send this *VERY BAD* joke to the list. -- This guy is an avid hunter and one year his wife asks to go with him on his annual deer hunt. So he instructs her in how to use the gun, how to move through the trees, etc, and ends his lesson with the comment that, at this time of the year, the woods are full of hunters and if she should shoot a deer to be sure that one of the other hunters doesn't claim that it's his. So they go into the woods and go their separate ways to look for deer. It can't be more than five minutes before he hears shots, followed by yelling, and he runs to the source of the noise to see what is going on. He comes into a clearing to see his wife yelling and waving her gun at a man, who is slowly backing away with his hands in the air, saying OK lady, it's your deer. You can have it. Just let me get my saddle off it.
Re: Dressage unveiled...
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:34 PM 10/21/98 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Doug Knutsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Mike May, Thanks so much for explaining the dressage experience so clearly. It's very reassuring, as Silka and I have already mastered most of those moves. The others, I'm sure we can easily learn. Again, thanks for dispelling the mystique! No problem. That is the test we are considering for the next evaluation just kidding
Re: New Dressage Test from Mike May
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:21 PM 10/21/98 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Doug Knutsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tinkerbell here - As a professional trainer, Mike, I feel the need to point out a glaring omission in your test. You left out the canter depart, a movement perfected by my esteemed student, Peg Knutsen. For those of you not familiar with this movement, the horse executes an abrupt halt from a free canter. This downward transition on the part of the horse, results in a sudden departure on the part of the rider. I prefer to call it a headplant. ( Fortunately, Peg always wears her helmet.) I also would like to make it clear that this unique movement is not in my instructor's repertoire. Personally, I suspect these creative liberties taken merely reflect Peg and Silka's collective opinion of my instructions. I could put some pictures of these new movements on the web site if you have some! ;-)
RE: cedar shavings
This message is from: Frederick J. (Fred) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, We use pure cedar chips in all our corrals. We DO NOT use them in ANY enclosed space. We also never use them in any stalls where there are weanlings. We do not want to expose the kids to the fumes and also the possibility of eating the chips. Cost us about 8 to 10 dollars per cubic yard. The fumes from the cedar CAN be toxic in an enclosed spacekills bugs in cedar chests doesn't it. Therefore, we use it only in well ventilated areas. Our Fjords and miniature horses love it in the corrals. Cleans their coats and helps keep the flies away when they roll in it. All the best, Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
