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This message is from: whfjords [EMAIL PROTECTED] Question: What is the correct method for showing fjords in hand? Should youStand the Quarters moving to always face the judge as they move around the horse or Stay Put as draft people do? Is there a time when one is more correct? From Debi Williams Erie, Pa.
Re: arabs
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, Dave, You beat me to it...I too want to stand up in defense of a pretty mis-understood breed. I have been really lucky to have been exposed to some awsome arabs, (pre-fjords), and they not only are tough,they are really smart. When I was a teenager at boarding school, we had all Crabbet bred arabs to ride, mostly mares, and one stallion we were allowed to ride, Nafason, was a son of Witez, a famous Polish stallion rescued during WWII. He was a top 10 National horse, and was famous for bridless cutting demos. Well, the first time I rode him, I used my English leg cues on him, and was almost left behind in the dust - he was as well tuned as some kind of exotic sports car. When I finally got it together on him,what a blast! I really learned lots from that horse. Here in NV, many of my riding buddies are endurance people, and they're horses as a rule are not too bad - but when they are spoiled, they can be a real handful. One of the better driving horses I trained out here was a Forest Service reject. He loved driving! ...We had a theory with that horse, that the bonkers cut out 1/2 the information to him, thus he settled right down! Anyway, don't throw all the arabs in the garbage..just the haltered out tweakers. ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: GRAND OPENING
This message is from: Jackie Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck Catherine, it sounds great. Hope you have nice weather too. Jackie Kennedy. Wish us luck... Our Grand Opening of our arena is tomorrow and Richard Shrake will kick it off with a demonstration and CLINIC. PA System is in... finally at 11pm at night. Wish you all could be here for the BBQ and fun... Will have you all in our thoughts as our stud colt will be bridled and saddled for the first time in front of 300 people... (FJORD of course) 30 American, Norwegian and Oregon flags are up and guide the visitor down our driveway... Ugh... it's tomorrow! ;-) CL
Re: Silver Dapple and Grey Foals (long)
This message is from: whfjords [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try the Herald Summer 98 p. 19 Articl by Brian Jacobsen Color Me Dun. Nathan, I vote grey on your colt. I saw him and he looks alot like the foals Mike Stahl has in Illinois. Debi Willaims.
Re: Silver Dapple and Grey Foals (long)
This message is from: Nathan Lapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Long, maybe, but I read every bit of it, Gail! I hope all the color experts out there speak up. We are currently grappling with the color question, too, on our one-month-old colt (Erlend X Viola). Same thing--if he's gray he has to be a stallion, he is so perfect! He had the eyebrow mark at birth which was supposed to distinguish him as a gray, but that isn't so marked anymore. So it's wait and see how his face sheds out. His dorsal stripe is exactly as you describe yours. Viola's foal last year was also hard to tell for sure on the color until she was several months old. (She's gray now.) Julia Will who breeds grays said it is unusual for it to be so hard to tell color. She suggested Viola, who is a light brown dun, may be carrying a diluted gray gene. Is this scientifically possible? I'm familiar with recessive genes in the Holstein cattle, who will occasionally throw red and white instead of black and white offspring even if both parents are black. But it's cut and dry, and the percentages are established: 25% chance of seeing a red calf if both parents are carriers--50% if one parent is red and one is a carrier--0 chance of a red calf if one parent is red and the other one is not a carrier, but the calf will be a carrier--etc. Anyone have the facts on the Fjord gray gene? Julie mentioned an article on the subject--is it on the NFHR web page? Thanks, Barbara Lyn Lapp Lapp Family Fjords
GELDING FOR SALE
This message is from: Jackie Bellerive [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good afternoon from Dave Jackie Bellerive at Gabriel Creek Ranch in Canada. Horses have COGGINS HEALTH CERTIFICATE Completed. They have their feet done regularly, all shots are updated and horses are dewormed. We have three great geldings for sale. All of them drive. All of them ride in an arena, on the trails and use with cattle. All can be ridden anywhere by beginner riders children or adults. HARRY - 12 years old gelding. The next thing to a BOMBPROOF HORSE. He has been used on kids camps for beginners and used as a lesson horse. He is very calm, not spooky. He crosses creeks and mud. He loads, clips and bathes well. Easy to catch. He is good with his feet. He has a beautiful head with kind, sweet manners. He is well trained. He 14.1 hh with a long tail. Wonderful safe gelding $3500 US. SLIM - 10 years old gelding. He is good looking horse. He is 14.2 hh and is being used also at kids camps. He has perfect manners. He has a nice rocking chair canter. He would be ideal for pony club or 4H. Excellent Horse. $3000 US. MIKE - 12 years old gelding. He is a horse you would be proud of and happy to own. He is 14.1 hh. He is a good head and good looks. He is being used at kids camps. He is a great trail horse. Well trained and dependable. $2500 US. Those interested, please contact us privately. Email us at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Silver Dapple and Grey Foals (long)
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was attempting to figure out if Benson, our three month old colt, is a grey, and began looking for Fjord pictures of Greys. Found the following text at the bottom of this post from a Phillip Sponenberg article (at http://www.equiworld.net/global/faqs/7.htm) that describes silver dappling in Fjords, etc. Anyone know about silver dappling? I had never heard of silver dappling - but I know that Luisa (Benson's mom - Anvil's Regin X Lena) has some slight dappling in her winter coat. It is almost invisible - almost just a texture of longer hair, but it is there. (She is a light brown dun). Anyone know more about this. More to the point right now- anyone have any sites for pictures of greys. I cannot find them right now. Benson's face is looking for all the world like a grullo color. This is with his new coat coming in. No, it is not the black skin showing through on his face - this is mousy grey. His dorsal stripe is dark - but I would call it dark rosy brown/grey - almost black at this point. When he was born he was slightly creamy, with what appeared, at the time, to be a brown dorsal stripe. Should I ignore the grey hairs on his face and carry on believing he is a brown dun? (He is sired by Leidho - who produces greys and white duns). He has brown hair on his nose where Luisa and Gunthar (my other brown duns have white hair - but above that it is definitely grey.) Part of the reason I would like to know is that I want to CASTRATE HIM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE if he is a brown dun. He is a pretty incredible Fjord foal (but every new horse mama thinks this - right?), so I start thinking about not castrating him, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE IS GNAWING ON MY ARM! AND I know there are too many stallions in the world - so (sensibly) ask the vet - tell me he has some conformation flaw, so I know I can castrate him young. Vet says, well - he had a little underbite at birth - let me check Nope, perfect now - and his movement is exceptionally balanced for his youth. Oh well - I can always sacrifice a few body parts, I say. Then I think well , there are plenty of nice brown dun stallions - and besides, he'll have a better life as a gelding - so I will castrate him anyway - unless he is a grey. At which point his new coat starts growing in grey in the face. So I think - no it must be just the skin color showing through. Nope. It's definitely grey on his face. Everything else on his body is now pretty white, except his ear tips are *black* and his legs are going black. The things I cannot reconcile with brown dun are the grey face and the black ear tips. And his nose is brown instead of lighter colored - white. If I had to name his color I would call it grey/rosie/brown. I know this was discussed on the list, how brown duns can be mistaken for greys as foals - can someone refresh my memory? See below re silver dappled Fjords. S Horses have available two different color pigments *eumelanin* which is responsible for black and chocolate brown horses and the black in a bay's mane and tail, and phaeomelanin which is responsible for the red or yellow color of sorrels, chestnuts, palominos, and the red body on clear bays. Now we're ready for the genes themselves. .. Z silver dapple, causes *eumelanin* to be diluted to flaxen, this gene is really only a factor for breeds such as Shetlands, Icelandics, Dutch Warmbloods and Norwegian Fjords, Norwegian Fjords may have a combination of dun and silver dapple genes Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vacation
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WOW! Sounds like a dream trip to me. What a great way to enjoy your friends, the country, and Those little guys : ) Brigid in CA
Libby Videos
This message is from: Carolyn Dumong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everyone! Since I will not be able to attend Libby this year, I was wondering if there are videos available, or if not, if anyone will be video-taping highlights of the show that they would be willing to copy and share with me??? Thanks to all of you for all of the info you have shared since I joined the list a very short time ago! Carolyn
Re: fjordhorse-digest V99 #124
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gayle, I loved your comments on Arabs. We have a 27 yr. old Arab which my daughter shows in all the game events at our local shows. He is awesome!!! Even though he is totally on Senior Feed and alfalfa cubes (soaked in water) and a supplement because his teeth are shot, he is still fast when he gets in the ring!! He conserves energy by snoozing between classes, literally!! People that walk by can't believe he actually runs. He's the one sweating and breathing the least on a long trail ride and has never been shod in the last 3 yrs. we've owned him! I've heard stories about him when he was young and he put several riders in the hospital. Thank God, the extra energy is gone and he saves it for the few barrels and pole runs she puts him through. We figure we'll retire him from the show arena at 30, if he's still with us. He's the horse my daughter treasures the most even though he is gray on his aging face and has huge pockets over his eyes. What an amazing breed! Susan
Re: Insurance for Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Elaine for the detailed infor on insurance. We will check yours along with some others recommended on this list and make a decision. It's something we keep putting off. Our Fjord has been so healthy, as well as our 27 yr. old Arab!! It's the dang Quarter horses that keep coming up with things -- but I do love them all dearly!! We'd probably only insure my daughter's show horse and the Fjord. My mare is 12 and has bone spavins which are managed beautifully with Glucosamine daily. Not sure if her resale value is worth the insurance. Lots to think about. Susan
Re: GRAND OPENING
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best of luck on the opening, pretty exciting. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Catherine Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 11:39 PM Subject: GRAND OPENING This message is from: Catherine Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish us luck... Our Grand Opening of our arena is tomorrow and Richard Shrake will kick it off with a demonstration and CLINIC. PA System is in... finally at 11pm at night. Wish you all could be here for the BBQ and fun... Will have you all in our thoughts as our stud colt will be bridled and saddled for the first time in front of 300 people... (FJORD of course) 30 American, Norwegian and Oregon flags are up and guide the visitor down our driveway... Ugh... it's tomorrow! ;-) CL
Re: Insurance for Fjords
This message is from: B. Hendricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] My daughter bought a purebred Akhal-Teke gelding some years ago at a sizeable price, and insured him. She was going to use him in endurance. He had been foundered slightly prior to her buying him, and it didn't really show itself, and when he went to work everything fell apart. She had insured his life, and medical care, however she didn't include loss of use and the insurance company would not agree to her putting the horse down and collecting so she could replace him. They insisted he could be made a comfortable cripple - he was four years old, a beautiful dun, useless, and it was hard to see how he would ever really be comfortable. Be sure what you are insuring for, and read the small print. Counting her purchase price and the trip to Colorado to pick him up, she was out over $14,000. As the horse looked perfectly fine before she bought him, and the vet had not checked his feet for tenderness, the founder was not detected and he was declared sound and healthy. This colt grew up in a large pasture and had only been at the trainer's for about three months, where they had put him on a rich diet of alfalfa and grain. When Carol bought him, everything looked fine, so she hauled him home. At home, she fed only good grass hay and some supplements - she noticed that he seemed tender in the front but thought he only needed shoes... Bonnie Please visit my web sites: Commissioned Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com and http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Insurance for Fjords This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/22/99 20:23:13 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd be interested to hear the other side of this argument: has anyone had a good experience with insurance coverage? Somebody on another email list I'm on had a Morgan who she loved dearly, despite the ditzy things he did. Really stupid things. Unfortunately, last month his leg shattered and he had to be put down. Insurance is paying for the horse she just found, another Morgan that doesn't have the self-destruct attitude her last one did. She buys him this month, as soon as the insurance check arrives. Pamela
Re: rubbing tail
This message is from: Cathey Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Someone posted some information on this subject awhile ago and I meant to print it out but forgot. My horse has been rubbing his tail for the past year and now the top is completely bald. We've tried everything. He's wormed every two months so we couldn't see it being that. We did think it was boredom but someone mentioned in their post about tiny mites or sometimes. If anyone can forward me that info, it would be greatly appreciated :) Thanks, Cathey -- * Cathey Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/1218/ http://www2.crosswinds.net/~chinbit/index.html
Re: Insurance for Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/22/99 20:23:13 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd be interested to hear the other side of this argument: has anyone had a good experience with insurance coverage? Somebody on another email list I'm on had a Morgan who she loved dearly, despite the ditzy things he did. Really stupid things. Unfortunately, last month his leg shattered and he had to be put down. Insurance is paying for the horse she just found, another Morgan that doesn't have the self-destruct attitude her last one did. She buys him this month, as soon as the insurance check arrives. Pamela
Re[2]: fjordhorse-digest V99 #124
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail-- Friday, July 23, 1999, you wrote: Originally, Evals. were not allowed on private farms. However, the Eval. committee changed that rule in the recent update of the Handbook. Evals. are permitted on private farms provided the facility meets requirements and is open to the public. In other words, no PRIVATE Evals. for just the owner's stock. This was the really question that prompted me to check the NFHR site. I was just at a facility earlier this week that would be perfect to host an Evaluation for an area of the country that has been left out so far. They would be interested in doing so, but only if there own stock was able to be evaluated. Since the last that I heard was to the contrary, they were very disappointed. I'll be in touch with them soon and pass on this bit of good news. Thank you, Gayle for your prompt answers. -- Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA Men are better when riding, more just and more understanding, and more alert and more at ease... --Edward Plantagenet(1373-1413)
Re: fjordhorse-digest V99 #124
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/23/99 2:57:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was just looking at the Evaluation rules on the NFHR Web site. I'm curious, are these adopted rules or are they a work in process? Who are the Reqional Co-ordinators for Evaluations? What are the regions that the co-ordinators represent? Who is the Evaluation Technical Delegate? I don't see any rule that Evaluations may not be held at private farms, what is the determination on that? We've had a year without any Evaluations this year, what's in store for the future of the process? Steve, I have been on the Eval. Committee since it's inception and participated in creating this program. I designed the Western tests. I am presently the Chairperson. This program will likely always be a work in progress as we refine and improve it as is needed. Our committee has recently completed updating the Eval. Handbook. I submitted the changes to Mike May a short time ago, but I have not looked to see whether he has yet made the changes officially. The Regional Coordinator is the person that takes charge of putting on an Eval. I was the regional Coordinator for the last Eval. held last summer here in OR. Anyone interested in putting one on makes a request to the Eval. Committee, which then approves the dates, site, etc. It then goes before the BOD for final approval. The Technical Delegate is the person who records all of the results during the Eval. and verifies identity by scanning microchips. That person is chosen by the coordinator. Usually that has ended up being Mike May. He is the one ultimately responsible for recording the official results, so always made sense to me to have him do the record keeping at the Eval. itself. That way I believe is easier on him rather than getting a third party involved and Mike having to decipher someone else's stuff. Originally, Evals. were not allowed on private farms. However, the Eval. committee changed that rule in the recent update of the Handbook. Evals. are permitted on private farms provided the facility meets requirements and is open to the public. In other words, no PRIVATE Evals. for just the owner's stock. Please email me privately if you have any other questions. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR
Re: fjordhorse-digest V99 #124
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/23/99 2:57:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I feel arabs often get bad press, and undeservedly so. I never appreciated arabs so much as watching them do endurance racing. They are the undisputed masters of the sport. After 100 miles they can still look fresh. The endurance arabs I know are models of quiet good behavior. I think much of the problem is that they have abundant energy that needs to be put to work. Arabs that stand and vegetate do not thrive on that program, and can be difficult. The ones that work are exquisite. Not my kind of horse, but one worthy of enormous respect and admiration. Just had to respond to this,Dave. I'm chuckling as I write this. I've trained quite a few Arabs so have some history to draw from. I've had good ones and bad ones that are exactly as you describe. However, the reason that Arabs still look fresh after 100 miles is that it took the first 75 miles just to get the edge off of them so they could start thinking and go to work! LOL! I've often joked about raising my training fee for Arabs because they took more of my time. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR
Re: fjordhorse-digest V99 #124
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, TEETH: I haven't noticed any problems with my geldings teeth, but decided with all the talk of wolf teeth that I should give him a look. He just turned 5 yrs. and I've owned him since he was a weanling. He has NO wolf teethI think that's just great, asked him to keep it that way :) Can they come in at any age or if they aren't there at 3 or 4, they probably wont show up??? (Every horse I've ever owned has always had them removed before I've gotten them so I have no idea) SOMETHING TO DO: My two horse LOVE to see me come to their pasture with Halter and lead rope in handThey always enjoy going for a ride. I think like people, they probably get sick of the same 4 walls, so to speak, as we do. QUESTION: This has me baffled a good week ago, I opened up some more pasture, after the hay was taken off it, to my 2 geldingswithin a few days time I noticed they both were DROOLING... They'll be standing there and then gusher! It's very much like water...but greener. They aren't sick. They've been eating, drinking, playing, pooping, all fine But it's really gross! The new pasture has a couple of Fur, pine and cedar trees, that I've seen them eating from Could this be caused by the pitch or something they are eating in the pasture? Any ideas?I've checked inside their mouths (boy did I get a bath) I can't find any foreign objects in there. Other then making a real mess of themselves and the tackthey seem happy! Thanks, Aimee In Maine
Passing of a Friend
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from Wayne Hipsley It might be of interest to some of you to hear that Lyman Orcutt passed away Thursday, July 22nd. He was doing his favorite thing at his favorite horse show. He was a friend of the Fjord. He will be missed.
GRAND OPENING
This message is from: Catherine Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish us luck... Our Grand Opening of our arena is tomorrow and Richard Shrake will kick it off with a demonstration and CLINIC. PA System is in... finally at 11pm at night. Wish you all could be here for the BBQ and fun... Will have you all in our thoughts as our stud colt will be bridled and saddled for the first time in front of 300 people... (FJORD of course) 30 American, Norwegian and Oregon flags are up and guide the visitor down our driveway... Ugh... it's tomorrow! ;-) CL
