Re: the John Lyons quote, fuller
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the Lyons quote didn't go far enough. The full quote included the attack like you were trying to kill your horse for a few seconds -- and this is important -- WITHOUT HITTING THEM IN THE HEAD EVER. Although I am not a guru follower, I prefer the Linda Tellington-Jones ground methods for teaching leading, etc., because it is almost instant and nontraumatic. It did teach my over-friendly fjords to stay off of me and not to be laphorses. I teach my horses not to nip by keeping my attention on them and my parts out of way of their teeth. After awhile they lose interest. Neither has ever offered to kick. Most young horses will try to nip.
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #198
This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am refining my 3 year old fillies ground training because without knowing any better I let her walk a bit more forward than she should with her shoulder next to my hip instead of her head next to my hip where I want her to be. She also walks a bit faster than I do so I'm training her to walk with her head beside me and to back up a step when I say 'Whoa' and we come to a stop, and just to respect me and pay more attention to me all the way around. We are taking long walkabouts - 30-45 minutes - over the pasture every day to instill these things I want to become habit with her. I talked with a horseperson, who has a lot more experience than I do, about the discussion on the list and they told me that sometimes you can handle a horse too much. I'll probubly get this all wrong by the time I get it on paper, but here is what I got from the conversation and it makes perfect sense to me. That most horsepeople never set out to halter train a colt, it just gets done as the necessity arises. When you need to take a colt from point A to point B, you just do it - no fuss, no worry about what position you are walking in. And if he acts up you get after him and he doesn't do it again. You nip any problems in the bud, so to speak. So what I do with my Aagot, who loves to go out with me and who is a joy to goof off with, may not be the best thing for a feisty colt who is easily excited and who will find trouble with inexperienced handlers. And it might not be the best thing for silly Aagot either! A colt may be handled too much which can cause problems! Something to ponder. The red, horned, Beefmaster bull in the pasture next door has left his cows to hang around our fenceline for two days now ... and he just stands there ... watching me ... whenever I bring Aagot to or from her pasture. It's quite unsettling, leading Aagot to the little paddock next to the barn and closing the gate behind us with this megamonster staring at us! He's awfully big when he's no more than 10 feet away. Maybe I don't need to go down to the barn to pester Aagot right now anyways; maybe I have handled her enough this week! ... Meredith Sessoms ... Tooksend Art ... Moulton . Alabama . USA
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Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #198
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/25/00 7:05:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am refining my 3 year old fillies ground training because without knowing any better I let her walk a bit more forward than she should with her shoulder next to my hip instead of her head next to my hip where I want her to be. Many years ago I worked at Hollywood Park for Monty Roberts. Just hotwalking. But he taught me some things that I've carried with me throughout my life (and though I know there is a controversy about him, I found him to be a good, kind man). When working with the two year olds, in the flight path of LAX, those jets come down hard and fast and LOUD. Some of the babies would rear, buck, spin, or try to bolt. He taught me that the safest place to be walking your horse is right next to the shoulder. If he tries to kick, he can't reach you (lead rope a foot or two long). If he rears, he cannot come down on you. If he shies, he cannot knock you down and trample you, but will just sort of push you to the side. At the horse's head you are in a more dangerous position, should anything happen. I know fjords are NOT two year old thoroughbreds, and are a bit safer to work with, but old habits die hard.Just my little two cents here, but I think you've been subconsciously walking with your baby in the safest possible position! Pamela
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #198
This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Sue Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hubby was out working with Storm tonight and had a chain under his chin (He refuses to budge or else wants to throw his head and go where he wants) without it. They didn't do too badly except Storm would attempt to bow his neck and take off if he could. He also tends to crowd. When standing he takes the leadline or chain ...whatever he can get hold of...into his mouth. If you take off the leadline and attempt to lead him with just the halter he will try to bite...(while refusing to move. ) I was told by a trainer that, and I believe John Lyons also goes by this rule, that if they do something hurtful and on purpose to you, you have three seconds to make them think their world has just ended without really hurting them. Biting definately comes under that rule. It's no more/no less than their own mother would do. It won't do just to swat at them or smack them, mine thinks that is just a game. With a serious biter, I'd carry a bat with a popper on it every time I handled him until he found out I was not going to stand such behavor. Look in the archives about biting, there has been a lot written on the subject, and some of the posts might help you with your bad boy. I am refining my 3 year old fillies ground training because without knowing any better I let her walk a bit more forward than she should with her shoulder next to my hip instead of her head next to my hip where I want her to be. She also walks a bit faster than I do so I'm training her to walk with her head beside me and to back up a step when I say 'Whoa' and we come to a stop, and just to respect me and pay more attention to me all the way around. We are taking long walkabouts - 30-45 minutes - over the pasture every day to instill these things I want to become habit with her. Something like this - but maybe 10-20 minutes, unlil he learns some respect for you - including lots of stopping and starting, tying him up to a tree and making him wait on you for a short spell before you start walking again, turning circles, and leading from both sides might help get the fellow in line. Something that helped me when I was training Aagot to lead properly when she was a wee yearling was to carry a dressage whip in the hand away from the filly, when ever I started off and felt her hesatate for even a millisecond I cave her a tap on the rump which packed just enough suprise to keep her with me instead of her playing 'silly filly'. This allowed me to lay off hauling around on her lead which is something you want to avoid as much as possible, because you want them to move out like somebody, not to lolly-gag around beside you. Last night ... it was so-o-o cute ... Steve and I went on our walk with me leading Aagot, two wag-tailed Labradors leading the way and two of our cats, Khyber and Splash, who came along for the entire trip. It was so funny watching those cats take turns bounding through the grass behind us, panting and crying 'little lost kitty'! ... Meredith Sessoms ... Tooksend Art ... Moulton . Alabama . USA
