Re: PIGS / Way off topic
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gad! One of the part-owners of the stable Lars lives at got a PBP (pot-bellied-pig) a few months ago for her petting zoo. What a revolting animal a pig is! Besides being mud-fence ugly, it goes around constantly grunting and making other disgusting noises. It has a sock-fetish of some sort, and a definite dislike for several peole at the stable (Me included as I booted it when it tried to make a grab at my ankles). It was supposedly once an apartment pig. I cannot begin to imagine why any sane person would want something like this as a pet, much less a housepet. A pig is dinner. Nothing more. Merek
Re: PIGS / Way off topic
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gad! One of the part-owners of the stable Lars lives at got a PBP (pot-bellied-pig) a few months ago for her petting zoo. What a revolting animal a pig is! Besides being mud-fence ugly, it goes around constantly grunting and making other disgusting noises. It has a sock-fetish of some sort, and a definite dislike for several peole at the stable (Me included as I booted it when it tried to make a grab at my ankles). It was supposedly once an apartment pig. I cannot begin to imagine why any sane person would want something like this as a pet, much less a housepet. A pig is dinner. Nothing more. Merek
Re: couple of ideas
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think those are great ideas Ruthie. We had 4 inches of wet snow last night. Fjords, dogs and kids were playing in the snow all day! Jane Maine
Re: Fwd: Fw: Cool School Project
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:13 PM 10/10/00 +, you wrote: My name is Karen. I live in Carson City,the state capitol of Nevada. _ Please everyone cut & paste the right address into your message so they don't all come back to the list. I didn't really mean to send it to the list in the first place so please don't clutter up the list with all of the repeats. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cool School Project
This message is from: "MoonWise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hold off sending your info for awhile, mine just bounced back to me because their box is full.
Re: Fwd: Fw: Cool School Project
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Re: couple of ideas: NFHR Eval.
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In my aimless musings =)) I happened to think of how wonderful it >would be if a conformation/evaluation educational video could be made >for the overall general Fjord public. Ruthie, NW MT Ruthie, Don't discount those "aimless musings", they actually might go somewhere! Actually, I was thinking about the Evaluations the other day,(while dragging the pastures!) I was trying to figure out a way to A) make them more economic for people that had more than a couple of horses to show, and B) more accessable, by possibly tying in with an established fjord showand this is what I came up with: What about offering a couple of the performance tests as classes at a fjord show ? For example, offer the beginning draft test. If the horse allready had a qualifying conformation score, and it recieved a good test score, then it could go into it's overall score. Of course the judge for the show would have to be qualified as a NFHR Eval. judge. So, you are all wondering, what about a second judge? Well how about having a pre-qualified Learner judge as #2 Judge? Even if this were to never gain approval w/ the NFHR, what about the various shows offering a couple of performance tests to help get people & horses acquainted with the system? I am going to try to do this at next years Turlock show. If anyone has anymore brillant ideas, pro or con, let me know... Karen in semi-stormy N.Nevada _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
couple of ideas
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In my aimless musings =)) I happened to think of how wonderful it would be if a conformation/evaluation educational video could be made for the overall general Fjord public. (I was reading the card that was sent out by the NFHR Evaluation Committee for the NOV seminar and I thought about how very few will join this opportunity in comparison to everyone else.) Anyhow, just a thought. I guess what I'm thinking of would be an illustrated breed standard done with real horses and people. Maybe a judge narrating and giving tips, or, etc =)) ** Another thought I had along those same lines came from another animal website in which they post an animal's photo each week and list subscribers are encouraged to write in and give their appraisals of the animal's conformation. Each participant donates their views anonymously and the comments are then posted for everyone's comparison interest. Probably the animal would remain anonymous too =) Just a couple of ideas I had which I thought might reach many more Fjord folks, make them feel included too, and promote the Fjord's benefit in general. Something in addition to the select groupings which require traveling and lots of money. And don't you dare think I'm criticizing anyone that does, quite the contrary, I envy them! But with the video we could all have a piece. I know a great deal of effort has already gone into this kind of thing in the past and I'm sure we're all super grateful! I am. My ideas (already thought of before I'm sure) were along the lines of something for everyone. Hey!*!* I just had another one, a video on shows, halter classes, performance, etc. Has this been done? (sounds like I'm lining out my winter's entertainment doesn't it =) Well, back down to the grind, enough day dreaming. =)) Be kind. Ruthie, NW MT
Re: Acorns and Oak Leaves
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've kept pigs in with a single electric wire (needs to be hot though) strung low to the ground. You have to watch for grounding out...in snow it becomes more difficultbut they will not go through it. Used to keep cows, young bulls, chickens and pigsall behind a flimsy electric fence. Occasionally the chickens would run under it.we sent them back by throwing rocks at them. That worked great on the chickens BUT, the day a TV news camera crew came to my home to get some footage of idyllic chicken farming, the chickens RAN away when the *director* suggested I throw chicken feed out to get them to gather at my feet. ( The TV crew arrived as part of a controversy where the big feed company sold PCB-contaminated broiler grower...and recalled all chickens fed the feed commercially...leaving the back yard growers to just eat or discard the contaminated chicken.) >because in my experience you need a pretty tough fence to keep regular pigs >in (or out) of anything. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PIGS / Way off topic
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 00-10-09 11:47:55 EDT, you write: << Some horses flee in terror at the smell or glimpse of pigs. Some donkeys have been known to attack pigs. I suspect that there are Fjords that are capable of either behavior! If I were going to try that, I'd probably "borrow" the pigs, on trial, and first pen them separately, a safe distance away. If after a couple of days, that seems to be going well, move them closer, etc. Or, if Heidi lets you know that she "doesn't do pigs", send them back. >> Hi List ! I have written on the goat containment issue in the past...but had to share my pig experiences with you. We have been " owned " by one Pot Belly Pig, named HAAGEN DAZS, <--- get it...hog ? for over 10 years now. She, being a Senior Pig, wouldnt make it very well here in our cold Utah winters, so continues to reside at our Calif. home where our renters take good care of her. She spends most of her days resting in the shade, or lounging in her pink Barbie Pool when it gets hot. Pigs need moisture to cool themselves off, as they dont sweat like other animals. This leads people to believe that pigs are dirty, as they seem to find or create mud holes to plop themselves into, to wallow. I assure you that pigs are very clean animals that if kept indoors in AC, wouldnt dream of mud or dirt. When Haagen Dazs was young ( for the first year and 1/2 of her life ) she resided inside with us. * Heymy DOGS dont even get to come inside ! Pigs do not shed, do not tear up everything teething, do not get fleas, do not climb on furnature, and usually can be found sleeping just under the refridgerator door. ( Close to food source and the fan felt good there ) Haagen Dazs got regular showers, by tricking her with treats dropped like bread crumbs to follow us in. Yes, we showered with a pig. She was cleaner than us most of the time ! She had a litter box, and never, NEVER missed. Even when we were delayed, or forgot, she would " hold it " and never once made a mess in the house. Poor pig, when she started going outside, we would find her by the back door, practically crossing her fat little legs and shaking to get out...where she would run over to her corner to " go. " We decided to get her a boyfriend, and bought a boar pot belly pig named JV. ( Short for Joint Venture. ) with my friend. When Haagen Dazs started smelling like JV, and wanted to be outside with him...she moved out to a pen under a huge shade tree. She had 4 litters of babies for usand was a wonderful mom. Pigs teach their babies to " go " in one place, minutes after they are bornso we learned to place a large litter box in the poop corner, and after one time those piggies always went in one, given the chance. Interestingly, the pigglets also latched onto one teat of their " own " and after one time nursing...they claimed the same teat every time, till weaned. We used to laugh at the mad dash across, over and under each other when mom made her " come and get it " grunt. They would have a squeely fit trying to get to their own eating place. If pigs are hard on fencing, its because they are not comfortable with something inside their pen. They require shade, a perm. water source that can be " set " and unable to tip over, an iggloo dog house, complete with blankets to roll themselves in at night when its cool, and maybe even a heat lamp source...set at least 18 inchs away from the ground. Like I said, Haagen Dazs loves her pool and spends many hours keeping cool in it. Pigs need routene vacinations, tetnus, hoof trims ( you may need ear plugs for this ) and attention to their " eye folds " as they tend to get quite overweight and can actually go blind when their eye lids droop over from obesity. Haagen Dazs gets one large drinking cup of Misuie ( sp?) Pot Belly Pig food 2 x's a day. Made by Purina. I dont know who or when someone gave her a watch, but she knew her feeding " schedule " in the house, and started pitching a pig fit when it was 10 or 15 min. before Codys lunch. Thats when she got her little Fred Flintstone Vitamin, per our Vets orders, as a treat. Im not lying. My kid could wait, but she could not. When Cody napped, so did she, and we have pictures of both of them curled up together on a sleeping bag, lights out. * The horses , dogs, goats ect. ignored herand in her older age, we find her hanging out under the feeders, waiting for spilled Stratigy or loose hay. As in anything, a horse gets used to whatever it is exposed to, and one more critter never bothered the equines. Donkeys, on the other hand are VERY teritorial, esp. a Jack donkey and claim their pen as their ownyes sometimes chasing, or even stomping anything that comes in, non-person. Thats just donkeys. The pigs learned this WAY before the dogs did.( hint hint ) Smarter ? I would say by a mile. It
new pictures, congratulations, brag alert.
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Doug posted some new pictures on our web site last night. They are on the Erlend, Erlend Kids, Herd, FOR Sale, and Farm pages. Please let us know if we are getting too many pictures up and they are taking too long to load. We can rotate the old ones off. Doug goes in for his fusion tomorrow, so send any good thoughts you can spare our way, please. We are expecting everything to go fine, but it is a daunting experience. He hopes to be pain free afterward, though it would be more reassuring if the literature said something better than - "...this surgery may help..." We want to congratulate the owners of OH Hannah [Brian Jacobsen?], and WSF Lady Liberty [J. Bonner], who received "1" premies in the Van Bon Evaluation, as well as the owners of OH Tira [Phil and Deborah Juran], and OH Troya [J Bonner], who got "As". These are all Erlend progeny. Erlend is very proud of them and would LOVE to see pictures of them! Mr. Van Bon remarked that he hadn't seen Erlend, but that he must be a good stallion to have produced these offspring. [blush, blush] Bye for now - Peg Knutsen http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re: Old text
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/10/00 9:02:07 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Your translation was very interesting. Fjords: the choice of royalty! >> Queen Elizabeth in England owns 2 fjords, or she did about 15 years ago. They were the first fjords that I had ever seen. My father was the greens keeper at Windsor Castle golf course and the fjords were in a pasture near the course. I had a chance to tour the Royal Mews (stables) with Prince Charles groom he said the fjords had been a gift, but I don't remember who from. They were used as lesson ponies for the younger children and also for driving. So who knows how many young princes or princesses learned to ride on a fjord. Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM
Re: Old text
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue you should write a book about your younger times. Sounds like it was fun and interesting. I wrote about my life and it is doing quite well. Alright, I mean both the book AND my life! Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
" Mares eat Oats....and Pigs eat Goats...'
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 00-10-10 11:53:57 EDT, you write: << Considering my experience with raising pigs I believe you might > get rid of the acorns but the additional management problems resulting from > pigs would be more difficult than just cleaning up the acorns. How about goats? will they eat them? >> WHAT ? GOATS EAT PIGS OMG, we never knew. Lisa Pedersen Cedar City, UTAH, cool, blustery, rain on and off, beautiful double rainbows over Kolob and Zion.
Re: acorns and pigs
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol I would ask my neighbors how long they have had their horses and it should tell you that the oaks are okay if it is a long time. They should be your best barometer. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores -Original Message- From: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Fjord List Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 4:59 AM Subject: acorns and pigs >This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi, >I just want to say that I am absorbing all the pig advice. I will mull >this over in my mind and put some plan into action for next years crop >of acorns. I think we will be getting 2 pigs for butchering after the >acorns are all eaten. There are about 30 oak trees in Heidi's pen area, >so we are not too keen on cutting them down. I have her in a much >smaller paddock for now and I keep the acorns picked up. I hope the >other wild critters take care of the rest in her pen area. She will >have to be in the smaller paddock till then or when the snow buries >them. I hope she will take to the pigs if they are smaller when we get >them and I introduce them to her slowly. But she is very accepting of >most strange things when I give her a little time to figure it out. I >am still a bit concerned about her vacuuming up the dry oak leaves as >they fall. So will keep a close eye on that and will rake them up if >necessary. It is funny. I see many horses in our area with oak trees >all over in their pastures and I wonder if their owners are aware of the >oak danger. > >-- >"Built FJORD tough" >Carol M. >On Golden Pond >Northern Wisconsin > > >
Acorns and Oak Leaves
This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol, from the little reading I've done it seems that there are many different types of oak (and maple) and that only specific types are toxic .. maybe yours are not the deadly kind ..? I can sympathise with not wanting to cut down those mature oaks, no doubt you liked them there when you acquired the property. I would monitor the situation and think about potbelly versus the larger size of pig (not suggesting you eat the pet!) because in my experience you need a pretty tough fence to keep regular pigs in (or out) of anything. We fattened about 30 "weaner" pigs on our first farm, every year for ten years and they were great animals. In fact, we have opted not to keep them any more because they were so intelligent, great housekeepers! and had an obvious spark and sense of humour, as bright as our dogs -- if given the chance, I suspect they would have been better trained. Loved to be brushed, sprayed on hot days and played with any time. We just felt too badly about the process - esp. when it came time to ship (although we had no difficulty selling them and always kept some for ourselves). Our horses then never seemed to mind them (in the barnyard) .. but don't know what would have happened if we had tried pasturing them together. I think they'd wreck the pasture for anything else. I have to say that this discussion is creating havoc with my enjoyment of the fall. I keep checking out the window to see if the girls are munching under the trees instead of out on the grass .. because it won't be grass they're eating if that's where they are!
disposing of "him" from prior life + news on Nattman
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Morning, all, The question was posed regarding my intro where I stated that I had disposed of "him" in my prior life, as to which "him" I had been referring tomy English horse or that "ex".. Needless to say, it was an easy decision..I kept the horse!! Nattman is doing well. He and my husband's cutting horse weanling have buddied up quite nicely!!! However, (isn't there always one?) I can lead Nattman around without the filly, but she puts up the biggest tizzy fit I am REALLY enjoying Nattman's personality. After our little session yesterday, he quit walking over the top of me, and would whoa and back at voice commands.we are also working on the command "stand". I hope to keep up these good works with him!!! Makes for a much more pleasant adult horse! Carole Sweetwhere today is another cloudy/rainy California day.
Lady Looking for Horses in OR, WA and BC
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List... I have a lady that is looking for a Fjord Horse in Oregon, Washington and in Vancouver BC area. She has a limited budget and cannot spend more than $3000 on a Fjord. She wants a FJORD. She is willing to buy young stock, but prefers an older trained Fjord. She will be looking for the best bargain her money can buy her. Anyone out there that has anything??? Pure Bred only.! We are taking a Fjord tour on October 17th - 20th or so... Please email me with details... Thank you! Catherine Lassesen - Hestehaven [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS We are looking for the best match also
Re: acorns
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My Friends, the Tobins, have three fjord geldings > and the big one, > Riktor, who is 15-2 with a powerful hindquarter, was > in a SMALL pipe panel > pen (about large stall size) when the neighbors > very large pig got loose > and came over to investigate the horses Riktor JUMPED out of the pen to > get away from the pig > and join the other two fjords Jean, Too funny!! Reminds me of Glendar's 'great jump' INTO a pen to get to the barn. He was frightened by 'something' out in the woods - or possibly stung by a bee out there - and all the gates to the pens near the barn were closed. Since he REALLY WANTED INTO HIS STALL, he simply jumped into Line's pen to get there - over a pile of firewood, a four-strand fence AND a wide stump! Cleared them all nicely, thank you, but left some pretty deep 'take off' and 'landing' holes. Took me a while to figure out how on earth he got into his stall with all the gates closed! BTW, he is also 15-2 and very well-developed behind! He is currently being used as a hunter-jumper by a young gal in Pony Club.;) Mary PS. Snow, you say? Must have a quick peek at the Arctic Cam. = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Old text
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Anneli Sundkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" There is one > passage in this book > that I thought that many list-members would enjoy, > so I've translated > it: > > 'In 1697 the stock of the Royal stable was as > follows: 38 saddle horses > and 57 cart horses of which 26 blacks, 5 greys, 6 > chestnut pintos, 4 > *gambla* [I don't know the meaning of this word, it > might mean "old" but > it doesn't fit very well...]Norwegian horses Anneli, Is it possible that the word 'gambla' might refer to the color now called 'ulsdun' in Norway(or 'white dun' in the US)? Long ago 'ulsdun' was the favored color for Fjordhorses in Norway - until the Hjerkinn breeding problem, which bred ulsdun to ulsdun with resulting white foals with blue eyes. Since no one knew how this happened the ulsdun then fell out of favor for quite some time. Now that genetics has explained how this happened, the ulsdun is making somewhat of a 'comeback' in Norway it seems. Your translation was very interesting. Fjords: the choice of royalty! Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: fjord gift items
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Carol!! I love viewing these Fjord gift sites. Fjord items are so hard to find. Time to bend that credit card again : ) Brigid in CA, where the first rains have cleaned the air and muddied the Fjords...
acorns and pigs
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I just want to say that I am absorbing all the pig advice. I will mull this over in my mind and put some plan into action for next years crop of acorns. I think we will be getting 2 pigs for butchering after the acorns are all eaten. There are about 30 oak trees in Heidi's pen area, so we are not too keen on cutting them down. I have her in a much smaller paddock for now and I keep the acorns picked up. I hope the other wild critters take care of the rest in her pen area. She will have to be in the smaller paddock till then or when the snow buries them. I hope she will take to the pigs if they are smaller when we get them and I introduce them to her slowly. But she is very accepting of most strange things when I give her a little time to figure it out. I am still a bit concerned about her vacuuming up the dry oak leaves as they fall. So will keep a close eye on that and will rake them up if necessary. It is funny. I see many horses in our area with oak trees all over in their pastures and I wonder if their owners are aware of the oak danger. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
fjord gift items
This message is from: "Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I recently found a number of cute fjord gift items and thought the fjord list members would like the links: http://www.nordicworld.com/catalog/2000porsgrundplate.htm http://www.nordicworld.com/catalog/dalahorse.htm http://www.nordicworld.com/catalog/vikingridingfjordhen.htm http://www.nordicworld.com/catalog/fjordhorserearinghen.htm http://www.nordicworld.com/catalog/stavekirkerunner.htm Carol Walker in NH where it is snowing right now!
