and I thought a Fjord list was weird......
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 00-10-18 17:20:57 EDT, you write: << My husband also belongs to a sarcoid mailing list. >> If this were not such a nasty condition, and worthy of learning about, it would almost be funny to think that theres a SARCOID list. ! Lisa
Huh ?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 00-10-18 17:20:57 EDT, you write: << I do not make her go any faster than she wants. >> Carol. Is this serious ? We would still be OUT there.walkingsomewhere... wandering.begging for food.. W ! Lisa Pedersen, Cedar City, UTAH * where the Fjords are just as lazy as Fjords everywhere !
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #272
This message is from: Mary Ann Westad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Fjord Lovers, I have been enjoying your site for a while now. I recently purchased two fjord yearlings, after wanting some for years. I remember seeing a team of fjords, when I was ten, (I am 35 now) they were in a pulling match against much larger horses. The owner, an old horsemen never whipped them, not even with the lines, he just talked to them. They came in second against about twenty other big teams, Belgians, Percherons, etc. I will never forget him getting off his wagon and taking the horses heads in his hands, and talking to them before each pull. These horses really loved their owner and were pulling for him against all the odds. So finally many years later, I finally have my own. They have brought me so much happiness, working with them is an absolute joy. I grew up with quarter horses and appaloosas, so I appreciate all horses. But, saying that, this breed really is special. I think that it is the way that they bond themselves so easily to their owners. They are more like dogs than horses. I have had many of the neighbors, in our VERY Norwegian community stop and look at the mares. Some of the oldtimers, remember them from their childhoods in Norway. Alot of younger ones, remember them from trips to Norway, or the Lillihammer Olympics opening ceremonies. My husband who is Norwegian is not a horse person, but he loves these guys, I think its a nationalist sentiment! One item I have been chuckling at the last few letters has been how many fjord owers, also love large breed dogs. I have a Great Pyreneese, and a Newfoundland myself. I think this is something that is quite humourous. It must be a phenomenom. Anyway I always enjoy your newsletter. Mary Ann Westad Valhalla, Alberta Canada.
Its my choice
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 00-10-18 17:20:57 EDT, you write: << I would never ask Heidi to go where I think it is not safe. >> This makes sense, except when you let HER decide whats safe. I would have no horses who would EVER go through water, over bridges, in parades with loud bands and scary clowns throwing candy under your hoofs, in-around-and-through a cones course, or a man made CDE hazzard. They would never decide to work a 12 K, through the hills at a working trot.making 2 of the strongest, fittest Fjords Ive ever had. I doubt they would ever willingly get into a trailer, without good reason, unless I once trained them to get in when I wanted them to. Water, black puddles, charging dogs behind a chain link fence with traffic racing by, 3 ft. from the bridle path, parades ect. would have been greatly missed by me as over the years we have taught our horses to trust OUR judgements,and cues. Trust me, its way fun to have ones that do. Lisa Pedersen
Re: memories
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lisa what a sweet story about your Gram and the mini. I know a mini stud who is a BIG horse in his thoughts and a gem to drive and know. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
memories
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 00-10-18 17:20:57 EDT, you write: << a mutual friend brought a miniature right into her bedroom for the afternoon. It was very touching and she truly enjoyed her day. I am not making any point, it just stirred a memory. >> Gail, here too ! My grandma ( came from Sweden when she was 16, on a boat ) was 84, and in failing health. What turned out to be her last visit to my house in Norco, Ca. turned out funny, when she was getting tired in late afternoon, and wasnt quite as " perkey " as she had been earlier...so I snuck, Stormy, my dapple grey miniature horse into the house. He parked himself at my Grandmas arm, and rested his head on her chair / lap. When she finally turned around to see who ( what ! ) was pushing on her, she didnt miss a beat, but started petting his face and yelled" LISA ! THERES A HORSE IN THE HOUSE . " I miss her ! Lisa Pedersen
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #272
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jane, thanks so much. I am still waiting for the results of the biopsy which I now read is not a good idea as it may start a spread of the sarcoid. The more I read the more I can understand why these things are so vicious. Well I still hold out hope that we can do something. I am not too far from the Oregon State Vet School if that is necessary. Thanks again. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
West Nile outbreak
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 00-10-18 17:20:57 EDT, you write: << We are over the scare for this year, lets hope next year is a bad year for mosquitoes. Carol Tacey Rhode Island >> Boy I wish the scare was overbut just 10 ( ? ) days ago or sothe much planned, millions of dollars in Europian commitments, giant sponsers, years worth of team chosing, WORLD SINGLE'S meet was cancelled, do to the powers that rule FEI ect. All the uproar was due to the West Nile outbreak. The bottom line is that the " other " countrys in Europe and Austraila set quarintines that would prohibit the returning horses from entering back into their countrys for a large block of time, and to considerable expense, also. They were comming to OUR country to play THEIR game, and down to the wire.they said, " sorry, cant play right now " Its still a very big deal, and sure caused alot of heartbreak, money spent out for 2000 volunteers plane tickets and motel reservations, tons of time and effort on the parts of the US folks who actually qualified to compete, ect. Very sad, for them, for all of us if this Virus gets out of control, like some predict. Lisa Pedersen
a note on pellets
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Rollins) We use wood pellets exclusively to heat our home and have for the past three years. We buy them by the ton at Ziggys or Home Depot or wherever they are the best price, usually $85. per ton. I have read over the past year numerous notes on these as bedding for horses and thought I would share a few thoughts regarding their use in this way. First of all, the bags themselves, most made in Canada, all state that they are not to be consumed by human or animal. Since they are "pellet" in shape I find it hard to believe that a horse wouldn't try to eat them at some point; epecially a fjord, who as we all know are led by their stomachs most of the time! Secondly, I did my own absorbing tests using amounts of pellets in containers, over time with water in the house to see how they absorb, they do. They still feel damp to the touch. My feeling was that if a horse urinated in the stall and the pellets absorbed the urine, you still have damp urinated bedding in your stall. Sure it would break the pellet down but I for one want the soiled, damp bedding out of the stall. Just my opinion. Lastly, when I spill some on the loor at home as I am apt to do when I pour them from a fourty pound bag, it hurts to step on them. I just cannot see them being soft and comfortable like shavings or sawdust is. Where I live you can fill any truck size you bring with shavings for $5.00 a load,(you have to load). I can have it delivered for about $150. per 30 yards or more. I will not use pellets in my barn. I do not feel they are safe or comfortable for the horses. I am glad those who have tried them haven't run into any problems, please cautiously reconsider using a product with an animal consumption warning on the bag. I use clean barnstored straw when foaling and shavings otherwise. These are timed honored favorites for a reason. For ammonia absorbtion I use a product designed for stalls and horses and that has been on the market for at least 20 years: Sweet PDZ. It has been very successful for me. Thanks for letting me share my thoughts. Kathleen Rollins, Deer Park, WA.
Re: Water crossings, other scary stuff
This message is from: "Margaret Strachan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 8:15 PM Subject: Water crossings, other scary stuff Barry and I are taking Misty to a water crossing clinic for Combined Driving this weekend. Terri McFarland is the clinician; she is very well respected and highly successful. I will pass on any tips she may have. I know she suggests ground driving first. I suspect my mare will go through water without complaint, so we may end up working on dressage, but we will watch the other participants. Horses in CA are not used to water crossing, so we may be in for a show. Some horses just hate water. My mount of 22 years, an appaloosa gelding would approach water calmly, never break stride at any gait, and fly over. If the crossing was wide he could use a rock the size of a softball as a landing pad and launch again--he never missed. Sometimes our performance was quite spectacular. Once in a blue moon could I convince him to get a hoof damp. I accepted it as one of his idiosyncracies. It was not possible to create a puddle of water for schooling that was wide enough to keep him from jumping as suggested on the list as he had been a successful A level open jumper, and he loved jumping. I was told he never received any faults on a water jump and I know why. Margaret Strachan Village Farm Nuevo, CA Warm and pleasant weather outside.
Newfie breeding
This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry .. had to jump in .. as far as I know, and I've owned several, papered Newfoundland dogs, attended Cdn. Nfld. Dog meetings (of owners, not dogs) and have even been there several times! but to my knowledge, newfies have no "inuit" dogs in their background, Tibetan mastiff, yes .. huskys or anything else arctic, no.
Re: mini fjord
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a mini fjord : pot bellied, cuter, and ready to RULE the worldoh, those cute, precious, little horses (watch out...!) Karen in N. Nevada - who is hoping I don't dream about theses critters tonite - I was one of the kids who was freaked out by the flying monkeys in the Wizard of Oz! _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: The Foxhunting Fjord
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ...who would be Mel Goble? Next question for $200 in the AMAZING HORSES category... I remember hearing about the fjord who goes foxhunting. Who is it, who has it? Are you on this list? If so, I met a friend of yours (online). It's the lady with the foxhunting Andalusian! She says she's the #1 fan of the foxhunting fjord, and they tag along on the hunt together! Pamela _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
The Foxhunting Fjord
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember hearing about the fjord who goes foxhunting. Who is it who has it? Are you on this list? If so, I met a friend of yours (online). It's the lady with the foxhunting Andalusian! She says she's the #1 fan of the foxhunting fjord, and they tag along on the hunt together! Pamela
Re: mini fjord
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] << I say horrors to a Fjord mini. >> Can you imagine trying to keep one thin? It would look like a pot-bellied pig. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Re: mini fjord
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > << I say horrors to a Fjord mini. >> > Can you imagine trying to keep one thin? It would look like a pot-bellied > pig. > > Gail D. Vinson > Las Cruces, NM At least it would be cuter. No offense to those who love pot-bellied pigs.. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: Trail Trials
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/18/00 8:13:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << .we were thinking it would be cool to have a new Years Day Trail Trials out there. It's a little nippy here then, but usually sunn, clear and dry, and I think this would be a great way to kick off the New Year. I'll keep everyone posted as to how it progresses - and hey, your ALL invited :-) ! >> We're there Karen! Pet sitting (our livelihood) slows down a bit after the holiday rush, and we can do other things. Keep us posted... Brigid in CA
Re: Sarcoids
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Pat. this already has "fingers" and is what the vet "broke off." It is in a difficult location next to the abdomen and the inner thigh. The leg is swollen so it must already be crowding the lymph. No telling how long it has been there. Just not a spot one looks at often. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Water crossings, other scary stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/18/00 4:22:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I would never ask Heidi to go where I think it is not safe. I always give her a loose rein and let her pick her own way down a steep hill. I do not make her go any faster than she wants. When going over fallen branches or logs in the trail, I always let her pick her way through. We must remember that our horse does not want to fall or trip anymore than we do. Good going Carol. That's the best way IMO. The really funny thing I have experienced is when they put new patches on the black top. It is very dark and she thinks they are big holes. It is so funny to see her avoid them until she figures it out. >> Yes, it is pretty funny when their senses seem illogical to us: ) Tommes was VERY displeased with a neighbor's new entryway (stone facade, new mail box, etc.). I hardly noticed the change, but he was worried till we passed it several times and no demons came out it it... Brigid in CA
Kvik Kvestions
This message is from: "MoonWise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At what age (average) does a foal's mane become stiff enough to be trimmed into the classic arch cut? Freyja, at almost 6 months, has a soft mane that flops over on one side. It is soft enough that it feels like I'd have to cut it very short to get it to stand up straight and I'd prefer to leave her some protection on her neck. Also, at what age so they usually get their adult coat color?
Re: evaluations - a voice from Europe
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eike Schoen-Petersen) As secretary of the German Fjord association (IGF), as a judge/evaluator and a person involved with the evaluators training program in Germany and part of the FHI-committee (FHI=FjordHorseInternational) that works on the "synchronisation" of the different training programs for evaluators in the different countries I believe it is important to establish the common basis - where this can be found. There has been a very intensive and productive meeting of the mentioned FHI-committee, 5 people from 5 countries including Wayne Hipsley from the US. Other countries like Holland were asked to send a participant - no reaction so far. - Why we don't ask Bob van Bon to do a Dutch Keuring in Germany? Because it would be a German "Koerung" according to the German rules. We have traditionally for many many years asked foreign judges to take part in our evaluations/breed shows. At our national anniversary show last year we had Susan Hellum from Norway and Christian Andersen from Denmark judge together with a German judge and that was NORMAL. At the Dutch anniversary show this year we were invited to send a German judge. At the Belgian national show this year there were several judges from Norway, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, Holland, and Belgium. It wasn't a Dutch or Norwegian or Swiss Keuring though. I believe each country needs to follow its own way of setting up its own system, within the EU each country has had a system in place for many years. The thought of doing a German "Koerung" in the US would only make sense if there was no Fjord Registry in the US, this Fjord Registry wouldn't know what it's doing or if Germany would be the mother country and be playing "mother superior". None of this is the case. If we were invited to be part of the system in the US, we would gladly send our best people to assist in an American Evaluation. And certainly we would appreciate an American evaluator taking part in our system. Eike Schoen-Petersen Haffwiesenhof 17375 Leopoldshagen Germany
Re: Trail Trials
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congratulations on your success at the Trail Trials! Sounds like a lot of fun. >Brigid in CA Thanks Brigid, it was fun, and I learned alot about how to put one on...we lease a really nice ranch nearby for cattle & hayground. It is co-owned by the BLM and Carson City. The BLM owns the land, the city owns the water rights. The BLM wants to see more recreational use on it, so I think this type of event would be perfect. My friends and I are scheming...we were thinking it would be cool to have a new Years Day Trail Trials out there. It's a little nippy here then, but usually sunn, clear and dry, and I think this would be a great way to kick off the New Year. I'll keep everyone posted as to how it progresses - and hey, your ALL invited :-) ! Karen _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: fallabella
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: carol j makosky > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I say > horrors to a Fjord mini. Please > post the name of the person who wants a Fjord to > shrink so all those on the list > can boycott her buying one. Sorry, I don't remember the person's name. Guess we'll just need to ask questions of people wanting to buy Fjords - such as, 'what other horses do you raise?'. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/
NFHR Evaluation Seminar
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just a note for the people that are going to be attending the NFHR Evaluation Performance Seminar in Cincinnati on Nov. 11th & 12th. The Hotel that the seminar is being held at has dropped the price of the rooms for participants from $89 a night to $79 a night. We still have some space left but it is filling up fast so if your planning on attending I suggest you write that check ($125 to audit) & get it in the mail to me right now. These spaces are being offered on a first come first serve basis. A couple of Evaluator Trainee's are not able to attend this time so it looks like we will have those seats extra right now. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarcoids
This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I just wonder what others have experienced and I have heard they tend to > return? We had a yearling colt develop a sarcoid about an inch above his fetlock on the rear hind leg. I tended to it for about 2 1/2 months with various remedies, from caustic powders and creams, banding it and then twice freezing. Nothing worked, it came back a bit larger each time. We finally had it surgically removed and a chemo agent was injected. That was 1 1/2 years ago and it has not returned. We were concerned because of the area it was growing, so near the joint. The surgeon said inside it grows in "finger" type growth what you see on the outside is not what is happening inside. He put the colt down for the surgery, to allow them to get it all and he was in a cast for a few weeks. The colt is 100% sound, no blemish, no scar tissue problems. This worked for us. Pat Holland Green Valley Farm
Re: Cincinnati Seminar
This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > "extra tour" while in > Cincinnati > have accidentally deleted > Gail Gail,You are welcome to visit Green Valley Farm. Howard Fiedler and I will be attending the seminar. Let us know how we can provide a tour. Pat Holland Green Valley Farm > >
Re: West Nile Virus
This message is from: "carol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Friends,West Nile ... In Rhode Island we have one horse put down in July. I also heard of one in nearby MA. The University of Rhode Island is actively doing research on this virus. Birds and mosquitoes are collected and examined. The leading researcher at the university is "Taka" a PhD biologist from Japan who rents a studio apartment from me. He keeps me posted. He feels the danger is all but past for this year, however we must be watchful next spring. Detour the growth of mosquitoes (no standing water, etc) and spray our horses. Putting them in the barn at night and covering them up is suggested but not practical for most of us whose horses are turned out. I just sprayed a lot and hoped for the best. The virus is past to mosquitoes by birds, and from mosquitoes to horse and humans. Not necessarily fatal, but can be and has been in both horse and human. Symptoms seem to be similar to Lymes disease with a fever. It is carried by only 2 species of mosquitoes. There are over 16 different ones in this area. For people ans horses it takes quite a few bites to contract the disease. Most people get over it in a short time. Some have died with it though. It is not passed from horse to horse or horse to mosquitoes, only spread by birds and bird migrations. I first heard of it early spring in New Jersey, then in New York City, then in CT ... I knew it was only a matter of time till it got here. It showed up in MA first, but soon after is was found in RI too. We are over the scare for this year, lets hope next year is a bad year for mosquitoes. Carol Tacey Rhode Island
Re: Nat Expo on Equine Transport AD
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:16 PM 10/18/00 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: "MoonWise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> They only have up to the October issue posted on their website, but here's the address for the zine online: http://www.thehorse.com/ They have some good articles on the West Nile Virus on there too. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Water crossings, other scary stuff
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 10/16/00 8:20:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Once your > horse is moving around you in all gaits, walk, trot, and canter at YOUR > command, put down a large puddle of water, too big to jump or step over. >> > > I have read with interest the posts about water crossing. My Tommes prefers > to go around mud or puddles. He's not afraid, he just knows it's safer to > keep his feet on terra firma while carrying a rider. God knows they wallow > around in mud like pigs in their pasture : ) > > I agree that one's horse should be under control and follow commands, > however, I also want my horse to think for himself. No one but he knows for > sure what that ground feels like: whether it's too slippery, poor visibility > (like is the puddle 2 inches or 2 feet deep?), too rocky, unstable/shifting > sand, etc. My life is in my horse's "hands" or should I say on his hooves. > I'd rather he follow my basic direction and gait, while using his superior > animal skills to guide us over broken ground, rather than blindly obeying me > and losing that sense. > > Brigid in CA Hi, I would never ask Heidi to go where I think it is not safe. I always give her a loose rein and let her pick her own way down a steep hill. I do not make her go any faster than she wants. When going over fallen branches or logs in the trail, I always let her pick her way through. We must remember that our horse does not want to fall or trip anymore than we do. The really funny thing I have experienced is when they put new patches on the black top. It is very dark and she thinks they are big holes. It is so funny to see her advoid them until she figures it out. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
