Re: Turlock Eval...App's lost?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/11/01 5:37:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Will you know before May 14? SEnd in your application to ensure that the > evaluation happens..Please? > > She is bad. Stress, stress, stress and deadlines, ugh. I'll certainly do my best to figure out my situation by then. I'd love to get some horses evaluated. My big problem? I'm a novice horse hauler. I've got an 80 Miley 2 horse bumper pull. I've got a 1500 Chevy truck. And it's a long drive for me to make, being a novice, with a somewhat light truck AND a special needs child with me. Anybody going to Turlock passing through Portland that wants to pick up a horse or two ? That would make it a LOT easier for me to decide. Otherwise, I'll fuss and figure and decide one way or t'other before May 14! Pamela
Re: Baby pictures and Norskie humor
This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 04:57 PM 4/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Am off to feed Sadie dill weed, my trainer says it will encourage her milk >to come in. Got milk? > Peg, Dill flavored milk? Yuck! Now codfish flavored milk may just be the next Tickle Me Elmo! Jon
Re: Turlock Eval...App's lost?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Will you know before May 14? SEnd in your application to ensure that the evaluation happens..Please? She is bad. Fortunately, her horses are good. :) >Bad JeanI got mine! Actually 2 sets. Now if I can just make it to >Turlock or Libby this year.. > >Pamela > > > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Turlock Eval...App's lost?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 04:22 PM 4/11/2001 -0800, you wrote: >This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Gail, > >Did you put stamps on the envelopes? (Running and ducking) Yessiree, indeed, I did. What a thing to suggest! :) NOt that it could have escaped me in the state I am in. However, as Mike May most cleverly suggested, I got those new-fangled self sticking stamps and planted one on each mailing. I personally shoved them thru the slots at the Santa Rosa post office. I think the real culprit is people who are not properly fastidious about reading their junk mail...NEXT time I will print return labels for the envelopes. So Jean, did you get one...are you part of the Western United States by the NFHR's estimation. And are you bringing a horse? Gail. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Turlock Eval...App's lost?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/11/01 5:25:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Bad JeanI got mine! Actually 2 sets. Now if I can just make it to Turlock or Libby this year.. Pamela
Re: Turlock Eval...App's lost?
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail, Did you put stamps on the envelopes? (Running and ducking) Jean in sloppy, Fairbanks, Alaska, in the midst of spring break-upAt 03:55 PM 4/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >OKI am almost positive I saw Denise's name on an envelope that I mailed. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Access in Norway?
This message is from: Curtis Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >So...My son is going to pitch hit for me while I am gone...but it would be >best if I knew I could access the Internet to get e-mail while I am there. >Anyone know if there are "internet cafes" or the like in most cities? Yes. For the last two years there has been an internet kiosk at the ice cream shop. I don't remember his e-mail address. Several of the Norwegians at the Hestsenter also have internet access, but it may be at their homes. Earhart Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be able to tell you if the ice cream shop is still in business. I hope you can make the trip! Curt Pierce Wet and muddy in VA, but at least it isn't snow!
Re: moving horses
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail, I hope your girls enjoy their new home. It's been fun hearing about their exploits on the List - looking forward to hearing about their new adventures out in the desert. 2 years ago I delivered a horse down to Sedona, Az, and picked up 2 on my way home: an Arabian cutting mare from Bazy Tankersley's ranch in the Coconino mountains (just a mere 3,000+ acres surronded by NF on 4 sides!), and a retired police horse in Vegas. That was a busy trip, but it went really well, and I got to see some fantastic country. I am looking for ward to seeing Colorado again! Karen -presently it's snowing sideways here at work in Reno. Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: moving horses Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:48:25 EDT This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/11/01 3:12:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > holler if you need to move a horse (or 2). > Karen McCarthy I need to move two. However, you'd have to loop down to Las Cruces and then over to Tucson (just kidding). Got a nice bid from Circle L out of California and it's a straight trip, about 6 hours for me. Gail-Dorine _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Turlock Eval...App's lost?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OKI am almost positive I saw Denise's name on an envelope that I mailed. At 09:31 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >gail, no app came my way. denise northern calif. > > > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet Access in Norway?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, it does sound like there is access. Great. At 12:34 PM 4/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I guess my nephews must travel with their own computers, notepads, as they >do say often where they are writing from, i.e. a cafe etc. But when the one >went to Europe I thought he said he stopped in places where he could use >their computers??? > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: moving horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/11/01 3:12:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > holler if you need to move a horse (or 2). > Karen McCarthy I need to move two. However, you'd have to loop down to Las Cruces and then over to Tucson (just kidding). Got a nice bid from Circle L out of California and it's a straight trip, about 6 hours for me. Gail-Dorine
Re: Grey or red?
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Among "ordinary" horses, there are pale blacks as well as very dark chestnuts. I've seen pics of pale black icelandic that look seal brown to me, I haven't quite managed to understand how they can tell which is which (esp. since most of the horses I've seen are geldings). Probably from the pedigree. Black + black can not produce brown. In Dr. Phil Sponenberg's books on horse color and Equine Color Genetics he has pictures of a variety of shades of "grullo", which what is called a "grey" in the fjord breed would be called in the quarterhorse, spanish mustang and other western breeds (What is this color called in the Icelandic?). The eastern term would be blue dun or mouse dun. All the "grullos" have dark faces, but there are silver grullos, slate grullo, olive grullo, etc. Grullos consistently have black points and dark heads which contrast with the body color. The primitive marks on grullos are characteristicly black. The body shade varies among shades of biege or slate color. the middle color is a clear bluish grey and is called a slate grullo. The lightest shade is silvery grullo. Many lighter grullos have a yellowish cast to the body color and are called olive grullos. One variant in other breeds is for chocolate brown to replace black. This is rare and is expected to b a recessive gene. Another variant, the silver dapple gene, would cause black to be lightened to either a flat brownish color to almost a champagne color. It also lightens black manes, tails and lower legs until they are a flaxen color. On zebra dun (most fjords) it would be expected to bleach out the mane and tail, nearly bleach the lower legs and perhaps only leave the back stripe. Sponenberg speculates that it has been eliminated from the Fjord breed, but possibly these colors we are seeing are connected with the silver dapple gene? I think it would be worthwhile to take some really good color pictures of some of these puzzling colors and send them to Dr.Sponenberg for his studies. The Silver dapple gene might indeed exist in the fjord! Dr. Sponenberg's article on color in Fjord horses is available on the NFHR website: http://www.nfhr.com/PDF/Color2.pdf Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, in the midst of spring breakup, water running everywhere, almost 50 degrees today. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet Access in Norway?
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I guess my nephews must travel with their own computers, notepads, as they do say often where they are writing from, i.e. a cafe etc. But when the one went to Europe I thought he said he stopped in places where he could use their computers??? Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Internet Access in Norway?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Gail I am no computer guru but my nephews travel a lot and use Hotmail.com I >believe it is to get their mail. Jean If I can get online, I can pick up my e-mail off the Web. I just go into the Pacific Online site, and look for my e-mail...send my password...and I will be able to read it on screen. Will probably have to go no-mail on the list, to keep the volume down...but I should be able to read a few e-mails online. I suppose I could just knock on doors until I find a person willing to let me "borrow" their computer. The way to avoid this imposition would be to find places where I can "rent" access to a computeri.e...and Internet cafe. I am pretty sure I can find places, but it would be reassuring to know someone else has seen them there. My son claims there are internet cafes all over the US, too, but I've never seen themjust figured you had to have a private computer to get access. Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet Access in Norway?
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail I am no computer guru but my nephews travel a lot and use Hotmail.com I believe it is to get their mail. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Bucking/canter
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Or sometimes they buck because your hands do not let them go forward. Otherwise known as locked elbows. The canter can be an imposing transition for some of us. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re:
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can you take an e-mail app? At 09:31 AM 4/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >gail, no app came my way. denise northern calif. > > > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Turlock Eval Deadline, May 14th..and forms available.
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, it looks like I should have printed up return addresses for the envelopes I sent out. They would have been more clearly identified as from Fjord people, instead of people wanting you to buy things that come in plain brown envelopes. :) SoI am going to have to make an extra effort to drum up business for the evaluation. NOte: The deadline is May 14, not 15. I can e-mail forms in Word. Looking at whether I should convert to rich text format as well. LET ME KNOW IF YOU DID NOT RECEIVE AN APP, PLEASE. Gail. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> gail, no app came my way. denise northern calif.
Re: Grey or red?
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail wrote: >>So, could my Odin theoretically be a red dun, even though he has the dark >>(chocolatey, maybe) nose/face of a grey? I will go out and see if he has any >>black or not. I think he does have some black in his mane (which would make >>him a grey...have to study more closely again), but his leg and back stripes >>look awfully chocolatey, not black.>> Among "ordinary" horses, there are pale blacks as well as very dark chestnuts. I've seen pics of pale black icelandic that look seal brown to me, I haven't quite managed to understand how they can tell which is which (esp. since most of the horses I've seen are geldings). Probably from the pedigree. Black + black can not produce brown. BUT if there are pale black horses that don't look black, there should be pale grey duns too. What colours are his parents? Mabye his a smokey black/grey dun. Smokey blacks sometimes look like coffee with milk. I also remember a fjord mare I met some years agoshe was brown dun, but had the dark muzzle (not "mealy") of a grey dun. Her body was pretty dark brown dun, she didn't look grey at all, I'm sure she was a brown dun. Well, to answer the question: I don't know. A photo would help. Most dark-nosed fjords are grey duns, but there are some of other colours with darker noses too. Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082
Re: Grey or red?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So, could my Odin theoretically be a red dun, even though he has the dark (chocolatey, maybe) nose/face of a grey? I will go out and see if he has any black or not. I think he does have some black in his mane (which would make him a grey...have to study more closely again), but his leg and back stripes look awfully chocolatey, not black. At 09:14 AM 4/11/2001 +0200, you wrote: >This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Carol, > >It's not possible for a horse to be both grey and red dun genetically. What makes a horse a red dun is the lack of black pigment. If the horse has no black pigment, it's a red dun (or chestnut/sorrel if it's not a fjord) and if the black pigment is there, it's a grey or brown dun (black or bay) depending on the lack or presence of the agouti-gene. The agouti makes brown dun/bay out of grey dun/black by reducing the black pigments to the points. > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Turlock Eval Apps.
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am beginning to think I am going to have to sit down with my cell phone and call everyone in the west. Did ANYONE get the Turlock apps? I mailed them AT THE POST OFFICE a couple weeks ago. Please let me know (privately, maybe to avoid clogging the list)) if you DID get an app. And also if you did NOT. Mike May... if you see thisI think I mailed out about 220. All the sheets I had. Does that sound like the right number? Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RAN REINSTEIN
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Announcing the arrival in Gray, Maine of a 9 1/2 month old colt, Ran Ranstein (sired by Gjest out of a Myrstein mare, Riena). We left Sunday for Nova Scotia (a 12 hour drive) in what the weatherman said would be a few snow flurries - wrong! - turned out to be 4 hours of driving snow which finally ended when we crossed the border into Canada. Spent Monday at Beaver Dam Farm with some snow on the ground but at least some bare ground visible but woke up to an inch of ice/snow on vehicle and more coming down Tuesday morning (takeoff day) which would last 3 hrs into our trip home. Thanks to all the training given Ran and all youngsters at BDF, at 6 a.m. in the dark he loaded onto the ramp trailer with NO PROBLEM and every time we checked on him he was just munching hay. On the go or when we stopped for lunch there was no banging or sign of agitation at being alone in a trailer on a trip to an unknown destination. We felt this was remarkable for a youngster who had spent the first 9-10 months of his life at "home" with all his buddies - he has complete confidence in himself and what life brings. On arrival home, he stepped down the ramp, posed with ears pricked while neighbors took pictures, walked between the snowbanks and through a "river" caused by melting snowbanks to the barn without balking or missing a step. Said hello to Jason and Buttons (the Haflinger) as though he were welcoming old friends. Back to BDF - as we walked down the barn aisle when all mares were in getting their grain couldn't help but be impressed and don't think you could find better quality anywhere including Europe.To single out Riena, Ran's mom, she is absolutely gorgeous and in our opinion the standard for what a Fjord mare should be - great bone yet still feminine, heavy forelock, long tail and a head to die for.According to Carol's barn manager, Jamie, she has a wonderful forward movement, very self confident, and afraid of nothing. With Riena as his dam and Gjest as his sire, Ran can't miss. When Ran grows up he will be my riding companion. It will be satisfying to bring him along slowly using the foundation he already has. I'll work with him and ride the Haflinger for now but in a few years Mel and I can go out on the trail with our Fjords. Thank you Carol, Arthur and Jamie for giving such a great start to my "life's companion". Joanne in Gray, Maine "home of Jason the fox hunting Fjord" and Mel "the galloping grandfather"
Re: BDF - NO IMPORTED FILLIES THIS YEAR
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Arthur Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Arthur Rivoire) > > Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova > Scotia - > > I have a ticket to fly to Amsterdam on the 16th to > look for more high > quality Dutch fillies. Foot and Mouth has put a > stop to that plan. Very sorry to hear this. I'll bet you are really disappointed! This will probably have ramifications on down the line for several people who will not have access to new imported breeding stock. > Remco is the one that's confused me as to his color. > First I thought he > was a red dun, and then a grey dun, and I'm still > not sure. In fact, I > really think he's a combination. > > Your first impression of Remco is definintely of a > red dun. His body color > is red dun. His tail "looks" red dun, but on second > glance, you can see he > does have a faint black stripe, not a red one. Same > with the stripe in his > mane. if anybody has any > information on this, I > would really like to hear about it. This blending > of red dun and grey dun > doesn't sound like it should be such a big deal, but > in twenty years, and > seeing thousands of Fjords, I've never seen such a > mixture. > > Of course, one year in Holland, I did see a > chocolate brown Fjord, and have > the photos to prove it. And here you may have come up with the crux of the problem: apparently 'unusual' or 'rare' coloring does exist in the Fjord horse. I remember seeing a dark brown Fjordhorse with a dark grayish mane and tail and black stripe on a tape that Eric Uteim made on a visit to Norway years ago - maybe the late 1980's. This horse was being presented at a local stallion judging and did he stand out!! So...just maybe unusual blendings of colors DO occur occasionally, especially as the gene pool becomes more diversified. Possibly the right combination of recessive genes in both parents might produce a rare, once in a lifetime, unusual color? Just a guess on my part. I must say I have seen some pictures of some VERY unusual colorings described as 'gray Fjords'. One I remember in particular looks just like a regular brown dun(one of the darker brown dun shades with a reddish or rusty tone) EXCEPT for a very obvious dark grey face and dark legs to the knees. These 'dark to the knees' legs I have also seen on other brown duns, but never the dark grey face. I guess that makes the horse a grey Fjord, even though the body color is definitely brown. I have also seen some Fjords described as grey - probably because of the grey nose and face - which had very definitely yellow body color with grey stripe and offcolors. OK, guys, let's hear from the real experts. Annelli? Jean? Any ideas here? Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Bucking/canter
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sometimes when they buck going into a canter, they aren't misbehaving, they are trying to get their balance.
Re: Bucking/canter
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol: In short, the answer is: forward. You need to keep her a little more "up" in front, not hanging on her, but using nice impulsion. Don't let your reins get too loopy, be right there with her. If you feel her back coming up underneath you, growl or use some other form of verbal reprimand that she is familiar with, and ask her to keep moving right on out. If she ducks her head, i.e. tries to grab the reins from you, it's OK to take 'em right back again. Try not to anticipate her being a butt too much - she'll detect it. If you can turn her out & free lunge her to get the kinks out do so. This only works sometimes, as in the spring I think they feel good most of the time anyway. If you can just try and ignore her little bucking urges and not make a big deal aboput it, I am sure she'll settle down. Good luck! Karen Original Message Follows From: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Fjord List Subject: Bucking/canter Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:22:54 -0500 This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, I need to know how to go about correcting/punishing my horse when she bucks out as she goes into the canter. I do not want to be yanking on her mouth. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. I went for my first ride of the spring and am now paying for it in the old body. But that will go soon and I can start all over till those lazy muscles wake up. LOL -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Bucking/canter
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/11/01 6:28:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I need to know how to go about correcting/punishing my horse when she > bucks out as she goes into the canter. I do not want to be yanking on > her mouth. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. I went for my > first ride of the spring and am now paying for it in the old body. But > that will go soon and I can start all over till those lazy muscles wake > Don't think so quickly about correction and punishment. The direction that your post is heading, leads me to wonder. Is the saddle fitting properly? You say it's the first ride of spring. A horse's body can change (just like ours) based on exercise, or lack thereof. A buck going into the canter could be her form of protesting the pain. This is on my mind as I made the same type of mistake with my palomino friend. When I rode her, she'd toss her head, and do this up down, rocking horse motion, such as almost rearing, almost bucking, but not. And when she'd canter, sometimes she would SHAKE like a horse does when they've just rolled. Since she's had a different (better fitting) saddle, shes done none of this. Anyway, that's the first thing I'd check before looking into correction. Pamela
Bucking/canter
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, I need to know how to go about correcting/punishing my horse when she bucks out as she goes into the canter. I do not want to be yanking on her mouth. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. I went for my first ride of the spring and am now paying for it in the old body. But that will go soon and I can start all over till those lazy muscles wake up. LOL -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Grey or red?
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol, It's not possible for a horse to be both grey and red dun genetically. What makes a horse a red dun is the lack of black pigment. If the horse has no black pigment, it's a red dun (or chestnut/sorrel if it's not a fjord) and if the black pigment is there, it's a grey or brown dun (black or bay) depending on the lack or presence of the agouti-gene. The agouti makes brown dun/bay out of grey dun/black by reducing the black pigments to the points. But it is possible that a horse can LOOK like a combination. Do you have a picture of him? And what colour are his parents and their parents? After reading your description I belive that Remco is a red dun. Some red duns have a chocolate-like stripe that sometimes look almost black. Compare a light chestnut to a liver chestnut and think about it. Some liver chestnuts (esp. Morgans) LOOK almost black but they are genetical chestnuts. Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082
