dog
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is a Buhund? Any terrier? I am still looking for a doggie who will respect the horses, ducks, chickens and Lucy the barn cat trying to become a house cat. It also needs to hunt and keep the varmints off the place. Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Record Book!!!
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Now I can't wait for future "updates" of which >I hope to have a horse or two included in! >Amy I didn't really have any idea what the record book was when I ordered it, but it had been highly recommended on the list, I think by Ursula, so I ordered one. And I am so glad I did. It's absolutely wonderful, and after going through it cover to cover to see what was there, I now go through it trying to "judge" the quality of each aspect of the horse. (Sometimes I do good, sometimes not so good!!) But it's fun and educational. Thanks again, ladies, for a job well done. Judy PS, How often will the "updates" come out?
Re: hitting horses
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The test of whether to punish a horse or not should be their reaction. If their manners improve after a swat of some kind then good, lesson learned. If kindness or clicker training has the same effect good. Seems to me if the horse does not become meaner or frightened of the punisher then all is right with the world. Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Record Book!!!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All I can say is WOW!! Ursula and Sandy (and everyone else involved), you've done yourselves proud. I expected this to be good, but it is GREAT! And of course it was "icing on the cake" to find one of my own humble photographs included; Catherine Lassesen's Lupin in her driving test at the Eugene, OR Eval. (Thank you Catherine!) Now I can't wait for future "updates" of which I hope to have a horse or two included in! Amy Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud, Tillie & Amy Evers Redmond, OR http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: CHFA meeting
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi again, Joel. Just got back to finish the mail. I once knew a girl who took a good bite on her horse's ear when he tried to bite her, and yes, it worked, also. As for your trip to the pasture,... very quick thinking, and also very effective. Knew a trainer who used to throw a horse and sit on his head. By the time the horse got up, he had a whole new attitude. Kind of humble, like. Not that I would advocate that,... more gentle methods are nicer if you're training. If you're trying to survive, you do what you gotta do. I don't train dogs, but always have some. (So do some training, it would seem.) If my dog bit me, which is NOT very likely, I'd do what one should never do with a dog,... clobber him right in the chops! Actually, that would be an invitation for him to fight harder. I'd do it anyway,... but with a whole lot of "voice" instruction attached to it, also. Sounds like your colt is already coming along nicely. Congratulations again. Regards, Judy -Original Message- From: Joel Harman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Sunday, April 22, 2001 10:10 AM Subject: CHFA meeting >This message is from: Joel Harman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Anyone know how the auction that took place after the CHFA meeting in >Estevan, Sask. went? > >No one asked me how I taught my stallion how to stop biting but I'll >share it with you anyway. Never know, you might learn something. I had >him picketed out & was leading him back into the pasture by the picket >rope on his front foot. This a 1" cotton rope so it has some stretch to >it. He took a nip at me & ran by. In doing so the rope tightened around a >hind foot & he threw himself. Taking advantage of this act of providence( >anyone know her?) I was on top of him like stink on (well). Didn't >let him up until I was ready to let him up. Changed boy. > >Oh, how cruel , you say. I didn't throw him. He threw himself. >Obviously, this will not be the method of choice. Every case is >different. > >So, dog trainers, what do you all do when one of your dogs bites you? > >The day old stud colt put his right rear foot in my hand this am when I >asked him for it. > >Anyone know what "earth" is in Norwegian? > >Bye > >Joel Harman
Re: CHFA meeting
This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Joel, The word for earth is "jord". Jon At 07:46 AM 4/22/01 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone know what "earth" is in Norwegian?
Re: biting
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/21/01 11:16:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Brigid you might not like to hear what I did with Gunnar at first. The first time he nipped me I socked him a hard one and waited to see if he was going to attack. >> Hi Jean- You seem like the type of person who can figure out the right thing to do with the individual. It's sad when a horse (or any animal, or person) gets to this "lashing-out" stage. So your initial correction was a stopgap measure, and you worked for a year and a half to form positive behaviors. More patience than most folks have! It really must have been a moment when Gunnar nudged you, finally making contact : ) Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1";>Our Fjords
Re: say what ?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/22/01 12:14:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << My mind is open to anything that works, that makes sense to a horse. Good horsewo/men like Lisa don't try to anthropomorphize >> Thank-goodness for that. Im not totally sure what that MEANS...! >> LOL Lisa- It means giving human characteristics to animals, ala "My horse does so-and-so because he wants to spite me" etc. Understanding what motivates animals is the key to communication. In Jean's post about the young stud charging at her, yep, he wanted to dominate her by knocking her down. Makes sense to a horse, and he swift correction was called for. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1";>Our Fjords
Re: My problem with biting.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 4/22/01 4:49:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< My problem is {and his problem is} He only bites/grabs when he's Nervous,
scared or unsure of a situation. It took me quite awhile to put this all
together and figure out why it wasn't something I could fix. I'm not
saying
there isn't a way to fix it, I just haven't found it. >>
Hi Aimee-
OK, some details may help us give advice. Describe a situation when the
grabbing occurs. Where are you both, what are you doing, what is your
immediate response to the behavior, and what happens afterwards?
Brigid
[no subject]
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List, Just thought I would add my experiences to the cure of vices. The neighbors had a shetland pony, when I was much younger, she would turn and bite when the saddle cinch was being tightened. I was able to give a big knee kick in the ribs a couple of times and she never bit again. The other nasty habbit she had was laying down with saddle and rider. The fly swatter was on the picnic table and she had already layed down with one of the smaller children, so I picked up that swatter and low and behold she tried to lay down with me on her back needless to say I wacked her good, she never layed down again with a rider. Another experience I had was my Aunts Tenn Walker would rear when she thought it was time to go to the barn, my Uncle took a water baloon with him, when she reared with him on he smacked that baloon over her head. My God you would have thought she was a statue! It took a few minutes for her to move. She was fine and she never reared again. Beth Ann Swonger Middlefield,Ohio Swongers Dusty Oaks (wanna be Fjord owner)
Re: HCF Henry Sunday update
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's answered prayer. God is good. Judy > >I saw Henry this morning and he looked great. He is anemic from the blood >loss but acted normal. He is a tough Erland kid. He was getting some bran >mash today ,food is what he really thinks about now. Bill Kelley
Fjords for sale
This message is from: Anita Unrau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Orville is making a quick trip to Nevada and California next week. If anyone is interested in some of our Fjords we have for sale and would like delivery soon let me know and I can send more information. For Sale: 1996 gelding 14.3hh brown dun rides and drives single and pair. $6,500.00 1997 gelding 14.1hh brown dun rides and drives single and pair. $6,500.00 1997 gelding l4.1hh white dun rides and drives single and pair. $7,000.00 2000 gelding $3,000.00 1998 filly brown dun just started riding training $6,000.00 1999 filly brown dun 14.2 $8,000.00 2000 filly dark brown dun $3,000.00 Also have bred mares for sale to foal 2002 Anita Unrau Anvil's Acres Norwegian Fjord Horses Rock Creek, B.C. "Disposition, Conformation, Versatility since 1973"
HCF Henry
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill - how is Henry doing today? Dad wants to know. Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re: Pony needed!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sue, I just forwarded your email to a friend of mine in NY. She LOVES fjords, almost bought one. But has a Lippizan and QH instead for now. And I believe has a pony or two. She would probably have a handle on a good, kidsafe pony in your neighborhood. Her name is Ivy, and she's just a wonderful lady. Pamela
Pony needed!
This message is from: SueFreivald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I notice that some of you are from upstate New York -- and this is primarily for you, but farther a-field could be considered. We just lost our little riding/driving pony that took care of grandchildren! She was pretty long in the tooth, went into acute renal failure and had to be put down. Needless to say, it's a hard lesson for all about the responsibilities we shoulder when we have horses, or other animals. The grandchildren helped hold the little mare and the vet was absolutely wonderful with them as well as gentle with the mare -- and the rest of us! We need another pony. You know, the pony that everyone wants -- gentle and sensible and good with kids -- not too big, not too little . . . The resident grandson is just six and got a pretty good start with the little mare. We have others who visit and would sure like to be able to ride a pony under grandma's watchful eye. Riding is a must, driving is an added bonus. Please e-mail me if you know of anything that would suit -- Thanks for listening and looking! Sue Freivald.
Re: Feed change
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/22/01 11:00:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I read that also in the Herald the same day the colic happened. I guess I'm > just a little slow. 5 other horses had no problem but I cut their hay amount > for a while to make sure they are used to it. Bill Kelley > So how's he doing today? I remember you said he'd not be out of the woods till Sunday. How traumatic, the after surgery emergency! Poor guy. During his recovery phase, I'll be sympathizing with you. Years ago my little arab had surgery to remove enteroliths. Handwalking daily till he was strong enough and healed enough to be turned out. Pamela
Re: HCF Henry Sunday update
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hooray hooray hooray for Henry/ Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: John Lyons and biting
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dave I was once in my field to check out a young 8 month old thoroughbred colt that had just been delivered as a partner for my six month old weanling filly. I patted him and was presented with his behind and a narrowly missed kick. I said a refined "no". I then went further into the field to be sure all was well with the fence when I heard hooves thundering (well he was only about thirteen hands) my way. Here came the colt, head lowered, eyes glaring and running full out toward me. I stepped aside as he went past me thinking it was funny. By now I think he was quite sure he was becoming the dominant one. He made a second run at me and I began to realize as I once again stepped aside that he was serious. He was such an unkempt woolly little fellow I found it difficult to take him seriously. The third attempt had me armed with a stout stick which I let him have across the back as he almost knocked me down. With dignity I walked out of the field and he kept his distance until I was safely outside. At which point he rushed the fence and let out the most humorous deep hoarse scream. For the short time I had him I felt I could never take him seriously, had him gelded though and that hoarse bellow went to a normal neigh. But he never gave up trying to convince me he was the head honcho but also never threatened me again. There has to be swift punishment in some cases when they are threatening. No time for clicker training or kindness. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: soft ways
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Clicker training, "soft" ways no no no. Yes, yes, yes -- but first you had to get his attention (LOL). Also liked your post Lisa. We tend to agree on so many things. Gail-D of Tucson
RE: HCF Henry Sunday update
This message is from: "William Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I saw Henry this morning and he looked great. He is anemic from the blood loss but acted normal. He is a tough Erland kid. He was getting some bran mash today ,food is what he really thinks about now. Bill Kelley
RE: Feed change
This message is from: "William Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I read that also in the Herald the same day the colic happened. I guess I'm just a little slow. 5 other horses had no problem but I cut their hay amount for a while to make sure they are used to it. Bill Kelley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 3:02 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Feed change This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/21/01 9:14:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The distended colon was probably caused by too much of a new batch of hay we just bought.It had not twisted yet but was headed that way. >> Good to hear that Henry is on the mend. Interesting that I was just reading my new Fjord Herald ( just arrived with the evaluation book ! ) and there is an article on the most comman causes of colic. Top of the list was a change of hay. Never would have thought that it would be so far up there. Continued healing thoughts for your Fjord.Lisa Pedersen
Gelding for Sale
This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gelding for Sale... Mohawk is a gentle, wise and lovable Norwegian Fjord GELDING!!! He has EXCELLENT Black Markings on his legs (all four). Mohawk is boarding with us this winter. His owners are getting out of the HORSE business. He is the last Fjord for them. They will CONSIDER ALL OFFERS. Mohawk has been with us since November. He has been on a refresher course. HE IS DOING EXCELLENTLY. Mohawk LOVES THE TRAILS. He crosses water and go up and down mountains. He is so gentle that we ride him with Mares and Stallions. He baby-sits foals. He loves foals. He is doing well under cart and has a WONDERFUL LARGE STRIDED TROT. He has the HEART to do CDEs. Mohawk has more of a trail riding training under saddle then a classical training in the arena. BUT HE IS SMART and willing to LEARN. Mohawk is a gelding. HE IS A TOP GELDING. Contact us: 541-825-3027 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I am not making a commission on this horse. I am just trying to find Mohawk a good home. Larry Hansen is the owner and you can reach him at 541-384-3319. Mohawk is very cute and very nice and will make someone a WONDERFUL FJORD FAMILY MEMBER. He is so cute you can hug him all day long. Please he will go quick. Come see him and take him home. I will be going to NORWAY 4/26 to 5/15 So please contact the owner Larry during this time. Thank you Catherine Lassesen of Hestehaven - The Horse Garden
CHFA meeting
This message is from: Joel Harman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone know how the auction that took place after the CHFA meeting in Estevan, Sask. went? No one asked me how I taught my stallion how to stop biting but I'll share it with you anyway. Never know, you might learn something. I had him picketed out & was leading him back into the pasture by the picket rope on his front foot. This a 1" cotton rope so it has some stretch to it. He took a nip at me & ran by. In doing so the rope tightened around a hind foot & he threw himself. Taking advantage of this act of providence( anyone know her?) I was on top of him like stink on (well). Didn't let him up until I was ready to let him up. Changed boy. Oh, how cruel , you say. I didn't throw him. He threw himself. Obviously, this will not be the method of choice. Every case is different. So, dog trainers, what do you all do when one of your dogs bites you? The day old stud colt put his right rear foot in my hand this am when I asked him for it. Anyone know what "earth" is in Norwegian? Bye Joel Harman
Norvegian V*rus Warning
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Norwegian V*rus Warning: Ve haf chust send you da "Norvegian V*rus." Since ve do not haf any programming hexperience and ve do not know how to actually damage vour komputer, dis V*rus verks on da honor system. So first, please forward dis V*rus to eferyvone on vour mailing list. Yah, and den manually delete all of da files on vour hard drive. Tank you for your cooperation. Sven and Olga (ha ha ha, sent from Gene and Ruthie, nw mt)
Sunday Fjord Chat
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John Lyons and biting
This message is from: " Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm interested to see this discussion of biting. I have to say that his response to biting seems inconsistent with all the rest he presents. I've never quite gotten over being puzzled by that. I'm not saying he's wrong. He's undoubtedly dealt with this way more than I have, and he ought to know. However it reminds me of a saying I heard a professor say once, that a teacher, when under a lot of pressure, "will follow the example of your worst teacher." I thought there was something brilliant in that, and maybe it has helped restrain me from doing some truly horrible things. Perhaps it is the same with managing horses, that when we're really off balance, we want to clobber them. I never found it to be very productive to wallop a horse for mouthy behavior. Not that I can say what the brilliant solution is. I just don't know. Perhaps the clicker training is an important resource here, to be doing proactive measures, instead of responding. Dave
Geldings for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, Spring is finally in the air - been colder than normal in our neck of the woods. Flowers and such are several weeks behind, but the weatherman is predicting warmer temps this week for us. YESSS! I have just put photos and a bit of information onto my website about 2 nice 5 year old geldings that I have for sale. These boys are both kind and polite - read - they aren't lippy at all!! They are both real honest fellas and will make good companions for someone. Please feel free to contact me if you want further information. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
My problem with biting.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've been reading everyone's stories of biting and how they've solved it. I
have tired many things to stop my gelding from biting and nothing has worked.
My problem is {and his problem is} He only bites/grabs when he's Nervous,
scared or unsure of a situation. It took me quite awhile to put this all
together and figure out why it wasn't something I could fix. I'm not saying
there isn't a way to fix it, I just haven't found it. Maybe I'm just
feeling too guilty to punish him the way he needs, when he's already scared
or nervous. Again, this is the ONLY time he ever grabs/bites at you, when
he's nervous, or unsure of himself. He will be 7 this summer, and I've had
him since he was weaned. He was always very mouthy as a foal, but was
ALWAYS corrected for it. I know he's never to be totally trusted with that
mouth so am always aware of that nose swinging towards me when he is being
lead anywhere... I now normally correct with my voice as soon as I see it
turning my way, and he only connects maybe 1% of the time. I'm just not
sure what I can do to make him feel at ease enough not to feel he has to peck
at me, to relieve his nervousness.
Any comments?
Aimee Day
say what ?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/21/01 9:14:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << My mind is open to anything that works, that makes sense to a horse. Good horsewo/men like Lisa don't try to anthropomorphize >> Thank-goodness for that. Im not totally sure what that MEANS...! ( hiding down here, Lisa ); )
Re: HCF Henry
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/21/01 12:29:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Please have a good thought for Henry. >> < OUR "PRAYERS" ARE WITH YOU HENRY. MAY GOD HAVE HIS HEALING HAND ON YOU.
Re: John Lyons rule on fixing dangerious behavior
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/21/01 11:46:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << horsewo/men like Lisa don't try to anthropomorphize >> <>><> ANYONE HAVE A DICTIONARY? : )
Feed change
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/21/01 9:14:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The distended colon was probably caused by too much of a new batch of hay we just bought.It had not twisted yet but was headed that way. >> Good to hear that Henry is on the mend. Interesting that I was just reading my new Fjord Herald ( just arrived with the evaluation book ! ) and there is an article on the most comman causes of colic. Top of the list was a change of hay. Never would have thought that it would be so far up there. Continued healing thoughts for your Fjord.Lisa Pedersen
