Re: wild neighbors

[anke . killinger]

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So I think, I can be glad that A'simi don't want to climb trees if he
smells some of them *lol*
If they want to attack someone they are nearly as fast as a horse and they
really can be quite deadly, even if they have kids.




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Anke having hunted those wild pigs I can understand why A'simi is afraid.
They can be quite deadly and smell terrible, not to mention their size.  I
saw old hunters climb trees just to avoid the beasts.

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Re: dna testing

[Jean Gayle]

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Sue how do you suppose those jumpers, hunters and dressage horses get those
short manes?  They are pulled not cut or trimmed/  I hired my hair dresser
to come out and see if she could cut my horses mane in such a way that it
would look pulled. I really did not like pulling his mane.She thinned it but
went through three blades and it still did not look pulled.  Most horses get
quite used to it and do not flinch.  My mare has never allowed it.  Jean





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Re: wild neighbors

[Jean Gayle]

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Anke having hunted those wild pigs I can understand why A'simi is afraid.
They can be quite deadly and smell terrible, not to mention their size.  I
saw old hunters climb trees just to avoid the beasts.




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Re: Whether to ride in warm weather?

[anke . killinger]

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His bucking behaviour is just if I want to stop him running. Thats more a
temparement-problem. We were out with another horse, a mare, and he didn't
want to stay behind her.
His saddle is one personnaly made for him because his back is going up. The
problem with laying down was a circulation collapse due to the warm weather
as I was told by the Vet. If it is the only time I needn't do anything, if
it will come a second time I have to give him medicine against it. If it is
very warm I should cool him with cold water beginning from legs upwards.




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Anke that is very sad. but perhaps it is a saddle problem.  I use a heavy,
thick western pad for my english saddle and it then fits all of my horses.
Also perhaps a back problem?



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Re: wild neighbors

[anke . killinger]

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I trained my horse to be calm if he sees deers, foxes etc. But if he smells
wild pigs he is always getting panic, I cannot do anything against it. And
we have a lot of wild pigs here. I asked someone who trains horses in this
way Monty Roberts do, but he cannot help in this matter. He only told me
that A'simi is very afraid ... that's what I realized at myself. He trusts
in myself every time - but not in this case.

looking for mare for sale

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Fjord Friends,

I have a friend that is looking for a fjord mare.  She would like to have
a mare that she could ride and drive and maybe breed later on.  She is an
experienced rider, but is just getting started with driving.  It would go
to a good home as she is a conscientious horse owner.

If anyone has a mare for sale, please let me know.  Thanks.

Steve

Steve and Amy White
Prairieholm Farm
Waterloo, Nebraska

Re: wild neighbors

[John & Martie Bolinski]

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When I first bought Kilar, I used to trail ride him because I did not have a
cart and harness yet.  I worried that he would spook at the wildlife the he was
not used to.
HA!
We spooked up a small herd of napping deer who jumped up practically under our
feet in the deep grass.  NO Problems.  He stopped and watch, but no spook.  On
the way home from the same ride, we passed an old white-walled tire at the edge
of the woods.  There was the spook!  He ran circles around the other horses
before I could slow him enough to really look at the tire.
Obviously wild animals belong on the trails and old tires do not.
So far my Fjords have been the sanes, unspookingest (is that a word?) horses I
have ever owned.  Thank goodness.

Martie in MD

Re: wild neighbors

[ruth bushnell]

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Karen, it would seem that you are suggesting our Fjords are "country
bumpkins!" Well, you're so right, they are! I'm sure if they were to be set
down in the L.A.area they would come apart at the seams! (Come to think
about it, so would I! =)))

I wasn't trying to establish an absolute principle in regards to Fjord
reactions to wild animals, so I'm glad you balanced that out if I gave the
wrong impression. I know we've discussed the "spooking" aspect on the List
before extensively and there are no clear cut definitions of why, or why
not. I seem to recall sharing how my Fjord, Hohmer, "freaked out" when he
met a Mini =))

It looks as though Tammy lives only about 35 miles west of us so I was
assuming her Fjords have had ample exposure to wild animals too. Could have
very well been a Cougar, they're very plentiful in this region.

We continually have deer grazing (along with Fjords) and they've become very
bold this summer; leaping into the yard to strip every blooming thing,
sneaking into the garden area at night and de-leafing fruit trees, potato
tops, etc. I don't suppose anyone's heard of something revolutionary (and
humane =))) with which to repell them?

Ruthie, nw mt



>
> Ruthie,
> I agree with you re. fjordhorses as not being "spooky", in general, around
> wild animals...but to a degree.
> There always must be a first encounter with anything, and some horses are
> braver than others, (or more stupid, depending on how you really want to
> look at it!)
>
> Your horses have been reared in what I think is a semi-forested
enviroment,
> and they are attuned to the myriad of inhabitants who exist on both sides
of
> the fencelines.
> If you swapped & traded places on your ranch with some fjords that have
been
> reared & live in a denser urban enviroment, say a boarding stable in the
> L.A. area, and your mountain horses moved down there, yeah, I think there
> would be some tail flagging and snortin' going on, for awhile, with both
> groups of horses.
> > Who really knows
> Karen McCarthy

Re: When Gjest retires . . .

[Arthur and Carol Rivoire]

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A
>
>Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 23:51:13 -0400

Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -

Thanks Eunice Bosworth for the offer to consider your two 
stallions, but . . . 

Maybe just maybe if we ever found another stallion like Gjest, we'd
consider a replacement.  However, that's unlikely.  

Arthur and I have always said that when Gjest is ready to retire from
breeding, we'll be ready to do the same.  

>From time to time, usually in the middle of the winter when we're holed up
by the woodstove warm, cozy, and underworked, we contemplate a big herd of
breeding mares, and a replacement for Gjest.  Then Spring comes with all
the work and responsibilites, and we come to our senses.  

Our original plan is definitely the wise plan.  But, that doesn't mean
we'll (Gjest, Arthur, and I) soon be retiring.  He (Gjest) is looking
great, feeling very frisky, and all his parts are still (like the parts of
a well-cared for, well oiled machine) working at optimum efficiency. 
His libido is as strong as ever, and he's settled all his mares so far -- 

Gjest's back has dropped some, and he's lost a few teeth, but he's sleek,
muscled and going almost as strong as ever, and still an absolute blast to
drive.  All our Driving Vacation guests are thrilled with the opportunity
to use him as a school horse.

Along with Gjest, Arthur and I maintain our health, bloom, and energy.  At
73, Arthur's back is straight, he has most of his teech, and plays 18 holes
of golf each Thursday afternoon.  That's after a full morning teaching
driving strategy,  and setting up cones courses. 

As for me, I'm not quite ready for the senior discounts, but close to it,
and I'm feeling great and looking good, so they tell me.  All thanks to
hard work and a very satisfying lifestyle given to us by our wonderful
Fjordhorses.

We decided not to breed as many mares this year as originally planned.
Again, plans made in the depths of winter look different when faced with
all the chores of spring.  In fact, I had nightmares this Spring with the
thought of foaling out eight mares next Spring.  Not a good idea!!!
So, we bred the same three mares - Holly, Stine & Maryke, and probably all
foals will be for sale; however, we may change our minds on that as well.

Perhaps next year, we'll breed those other good, young, imported mares.  

We took BDF Quentin Durward (Gjest x Maryke -Helgas-Jarl) off the Sales
List, and also BDF Quasar (Gjest x Holly-Solar) off the List, and I'm darn
glad we made that decision.  Both are fabulous, big and beautiful geldings
that we'll be proud to keep for our Driving Vacation program.  We've now
got four of our home-breds growing up here, and they're wonderful horses.
--  This is how to get good horses, folks.  Raise them yourself, or buy
weanlings and do the job right.  I'm convinced of it.  

Best Regards,  Carol

From: "John Bosomworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Hello Carole from  Deere Country Fjords in Ont.
>
>When talking a bout Gjest you said .  season>>
>
>Maybe now is the time you should think about getting a replacement.We
>have 2 outstanding colts for sale.Jasper or Major may be the future
>famous fjord stallion.
>
>Fjordally yours, Eunice
>
Carol and Arthur Rivoire
Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II
R.R. 7 Pomquet
Antigonish County
Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4
902 386 2304
http://www.beaverdamfarm.com

Re: When Gjest retires . . .

[Arthur and Carol Rivoire]

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A
>
>Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 23:51:13 -0400

Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -

Thanks Eunice Bosworth for the offer to consider your two 
stallions, but . . . 

Maybe just maybe if we ever found another stallion like Gjest, we'd
consider a replacement.  However, that's unlikely.  

Arthur and I have always said that when Gjest is ready to retire from
breeding, we'll be ready to do the same.  

>From time to time, usually in the middle of the winter when we're holed up
by the woodstove warm, cozy, and underworked, we contemplate a big herd of
breeding mares, and a replacement for Gjest.  Then Spring comes with all
the work and responsibilites, and we come to our senses.  

Our original plan is definitely the wise plan.  But, that doesn't mean
we'll (Gjest, Arthur, and I) soon be retiring.  He (Gjest) is looking
great, feeling very frisky, and all his parts are still (like the parts of
a well-cared for, well oiled machine) working at optimum efficiency. 
His libido is as strong as ever, and he's settled all his mares so far -- 

Gjest's back has dropped some, and he's lost a few teeth, but he's sleek,
muscled and going almost as strong as ever, and still an absolute blast to
drive.  All our Driving Vacation guests are thrilled with the opportunity
to use him as a school horse.

Along with Gjest, Arthur and I maintain our health, bloom, and energy.  At
73, Arthur's back is straight, he has most of his teech, and plays 18 holes
of golf each Thursday afternoon.  That's after a full morning teaching
driving strategy,  and setting up cones courses. 

As for me, I'm not quite ready for the senior discounts, but close to it,
and I'm feeling great and looking good, so they tell me.  All thanks to
hard work and a very satisfying lifestyle given to us by our wonderful
Fjordhorses.

We decided not to breed as many mares this year as originally planned.
Again, plans made in the depths of winter look different when faced with
all the chores of spring.  In fact, I had nightmares this Spring with the
thought of foaling out eight mares next Spring.  Not a good idea!!!
So, we bred the same three mares - Holly, Stine & Maryke, and probably all
foals will be for sale; however, we may change our minds on that as well.

Perhaps next year, we'll breed those other good, young, imported mares.  

We took BDF Quentin Durward (Gjest x Maryke -Helgas-Jarl) off the Sales
List, and also BDF Quasar (Gjest x Holly-Solar) off the List, and I'm darn
glad we made that decision.  Both are fabulous, big and beautiful geldings
that we'll be proud to keep for our Driving Vacation program.  We've now
got four of our home-breds growing up here, and they're wonderful horses.
--  This is how to get good horses, folks.  Raise them yourself, or buy
weanlings and do the job right.  I'm convinced of it.  

Best Regards,  Carol

From: "John Bosomworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Hello Carole from  Deere Country Fjords in Ont.
>
>When talking a bout Gjest you said .  season>>
>
>Maybe now is the time you should think about getting a replacement.We
>have 2 outstanding colts for sale.Jasper or Major may be the future
>famous fjord stallion.
>
>Fjordally yours, Eunice
>
Carol and Arthur Rivoire
Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II
R.R. 7 Pomquet
Antigonish County
Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4
902 386 2304
http://www.beaverdamfarm.com

Re: wild neighbors

[Karen McCarthy]

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Ruthie,
I agree with you re. fjordhorses as not being "spooky", in general, around 
wild animals...but to a degree.
There always must be a first encounter with anything, and some horses are 
braver than others, (or more stupid, depending on how you really want to 
look at it!)


Your horses have been reared in what I think is a semi-forested enviroment, 
and they are attuned to the myriad of inhabitants who exist on both sides of 
the fencelines.
If you swapped & traded places on your ranch with some fjords that have been 
reared & live in a denser urban enviroment, say a boarding stable in the 
L.A. area, and your mountain horses moved down there, yeah, I think there 
would be some tail flagging and snortin' going on, for awhile, with both 
groups of horses.
That (most, not all) fjords have the innate "gift" of self preservation, and 
a truly calm sensibility about them, is what sets them apart, and saves them 
from being another horse vs. fence tragedy, or worse.


That the horses spooked in Tammy's original post, but not immediatly when 
the herd of elk came into view, is not unreasonable. I think, like Pamela, 
they very well may have been a deadly predator at large.
One last anecdote on the same subject: I shall never forget the Libby show, 
I think it was in '89, when there was a pack obstacle class. Geesh! What a 
rodeo Dennis, Storrs, Larry and Chip put on for us all. All because of 
having to pass between the hides of a mountain lion and a bear, draped over 
a couple of sawhorses. Directly following that class I did a CDE demo, and 
used the same obstacle to drive thru, and Sven didn't bat a eyelash or turn 
a hair. Was it because he was clueless as to what the hides were, as he 
hadn't been raised or worked in the same enviroment these creatures? Or was 
it because he was just being obedient? Did the pack horses & mounts spook 
because they truly knew and respected these pradators? Or were they reacting 
from signals transmitted by nervous riders who were approching what they 
thought to be a difficult obstacle, and the horses agreed to their thoughts?

Who really knows


Karen McCarthy
Great Basin Fjords
Carson City, NV



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Spooky horses

[Sue Harrison]

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.  He seemed to get under control with more voice
> commands than the reins.  Once he stopped I got off and walked him back to
> my
> house.  He was calm by then. I was still a little startled.  I asked some
> friends in town why horses spook from wild animals.  They think it is
> because
> they don't like their smell.  Does anyone have any insight to acclimating
> horses to wild neighbors?  Some times they will run in their pasture when
> they

Well I was out with Randy for a ride last week.  I took Misty, the Arab
mare.  We went down the trail and just stepped out into a field when Misty
was airborne. I have no idea why she jumped...we saw absolutly nothing!
Anyway, when she landed, she lit right behind Randys gelding, Sundance, who
in turn flew through the air almost unseating him.  He was not impressed!
Ripped the whole crotch out of his new boxers! Needless to say, he says he
won't ever ride in front of my "crazy mare" again...that I must lead.  We
cut her right back in graintill she is hardly getting anythinking
that the fact she is being grained  could be making her spooky. Think that
could be the case? I am very tempted to send her to a childs summer riding
camp with a friend of ours next summer. But first I will see if she quiets
down with less grain.
Last week a little fawn got in our garden.  We have pagewire up and somehow
the little thing crawled under it and got in.  It ran throught the two
strands of electric fencing out  and in with the horses...you should have
seen it go for the other side where it could crawl back outthree horses
in hot persuit  galloping right after it.one Appaloosa, one Arab and one
Fjord. You can bet if we had been on their backs, they would have pretended
to be scared to death!  Sometimes I think they spook out of pure
meanness...or a wierd sense of humor.( Maybe a person should put blinders on
their bridles).  I sure hope Storm proves to be one of the spook free
Fjords.
Well have a great day everyone, Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)

dna testing

[Sue Harrison]

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<< any ideas on the quickest, easiest way to yank out 50 hairs
 with roots intact from the mane and tail? 

  >>>

  > Eat a light breakfast. Say prayers. Do not attempt this >while alone.
 > Clasp hairs in fingers. Gloves optional.  Stand away >from hoofs. Yank
hard
>in one sudden motion, do not pull slowly or gently. Be >ready to move
>yourself. Do not try to do all the hairs at once, but keep >in mindthe
>poor horse will remember this procedure every passing >day if you drag it
on.
>Wear a disquise or have hubby do it. Flat, fast shoes, >no heels. Do not
drop
>hairs in haste of moving from hoofs aiming for you. >Keep in mind that
horses
>can and do kick sideways. Call Mike May for >complaining about this
torture.
>Its all his idea, Im sure.
>Lisa Pedersen

Who in Heavens name came up with this sort of torture? Mike May did you
really do that??   My colt, Redbank Desert Storm, was registered in the
Canadian Fjord registry and dna was not done.  He was microchipped and that
was it. Surely if dna is necessary, there must be some method of getting
this without torturing the poor horse in this manner.  This is
ridiculous...putting a horse through that!  If it is as bad as you say,
Lisa, then the S.P.C.A. should be notified! If someone started pulling out
my hair three strands or even one at a time, for that matter, I would not
forget and they had better be running when they finish and stay clear of me
for quite some time...like when I get so senile I forget.! Can't dna be
taken from saliva?  If this was necessary to register my horse, I am very
much afraid he would remain unregistered!  After all, I have to do this
beasties mane for the rest of his life and if to do dna results in risk of
life and limbNO THANK YOU!  IMHO Papers are not that all important to
me!
Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)

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Re: wild neighbors

[Don Brackett]

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Hi  Tammy,

I don't know your horses but my mare thinks it's FUN to spook sometimes.  She 
has
just that look on her face when she's up to mischief.  So it might be that your
gelding was feeling full  of himself and took the elk as a good excuse.  Some
days are just like that for Osa.  Last week I  think she spooked about 5 times 
in
a half hour and we were in the arena! There were swallows  darting around us as
they were teaching the babies to fly.  After  awhile when she didn't get much
reaction from me except to continue and stop being a fruit she settled down and
ignored them.  Sometimes she spooks at  our dog  too and I know she's not afraid
of her!  She's just playing.  NOT very nice for her rider but..well she's a
horse! :)
I know it can be very disconcerting but trying to keep calm and relaxed yourself
is the best remedy.
Take care and stay safe.
Jane

Jim and Tamara Hooper wrote:

>  As I was
> admiring the herd all of a sudden  Odin turned around and started running down
> the hill bucking sideways.  He seemed to get under control with more voice
> commands than the reins.  Once he stopped I got off and walked him back to my
> house.  He was calm by then. I was still a little startled.
>
> Tammy Hooper
> Asgard Woods & Observatory
> Naples, ID

Re: wild neighbors

[ruth bushnell]

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 Does anyone have any insight to acclimating
> horses to wild neighbors?
> Tammy Hooper
> Asgard Woods & Observatory
> Naples, ID
> ~~
Tammy,

Your incident is puzzling to us, and we wonder if it could possibly have
been something else that spooked your horse.

We have photos of our Fjords pasturing and mingling unconcernedly with a
herd of Elk, we have photos of Fjords with a Bear sow and cubs,  (in the
same camera frame!) curiously staring at one another. One morning last
winter one of the Fjords started moving in curiosity toward a Bull Moose off
a distance, and of course other Fjords followed...  lo and behold, if the
Moose didn't turn and run!! so the Fjords began to run also! That was quite
a sight... a Bull Moose being chased by a string of Fjords!!

These wild animals don't seem to faze Fjords at all. That's one of the
reasons why Fjords make such wonderful mountain trail horses, and certainly
they are the best pack horses there are anywhere.

Ruthie, nw mt
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