Re: twins
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/17/01 5:15:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The vet hadn't seen fjord twins before, better yet one that lived over a > full year. They called Chip but he had never had twins before either. The > moral of the story isa $50 ultrasound is worth its weight in gold. Good > thing you are checking your mares. Since this springs round of babies and > gestations has been strange I am not surprised to hear that the saga > continues into this breeding year. > Yes. That ultrasound is a good, small investment. One other thing, I've mentioned before, and I think Carol R. has since tried it, is the red raspberry leaf. We had the devil of a time getting Juniper pregnant this year. She's healthy, very fit, as I rode her throughout fall, winter and spring, and fertile. The stallion is extremely fertile. But no baby. She started pooling after being bred. I remembered. I had NOT given her her red raspberry leaf. Okay, okay, it sounds like witch-doctoring, but I fed-exed a bag of the leaf to the stallion owner. Had her give Juniper a handful a day every day for a week. Then back off to every other day (the usual dose). Voila~ a mare with a very nice pregnancy! Now I'll only give it to her through her third month. Then I'll start, every other day again, in her 8th month. Upon delivery, I will then give it to her every day. It helps tone the uterus and bring her back into shape. Pamela
Re: twins
This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Julie, This spring some friends had waited patiently (for a full year!) for the arrival of their first fjord baby. Their three young girls were all excited. To make a long story short the vet had to induce labor. The first twin was the size of a cat and mummified. The second twin was the size of a dog and was alive until the birth event. The sac was discolored and unhealthy. The family was devastated until the vet told them their mare was at risk and everyone rallied, thankful she came through healthy in the end. The vet hadn't seen fjord twins before, better yet one that lived over a full year. They called Chip but he had never had twins before either. The moral of the story isa $50 ultrasound is worth its weight in gold. Good thing you are checking your mares. Since this springs round of babies and gestations has been strange I am not surprised to hear that the saga continues into this breeding year. Good Luck Teresa Sanders Northern Idaho " This year, 3 mares have turned up with twins on our farm, and our vet has seen 3 others...the first twins he has seen on ultrasound in 6 years. Anybody else finding twins this year?" Julie at Old Hickory Farm in New York.
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This message is from: Joel Harman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is from Joel Harman. I log & farm with my horses. They are not my pets. PMU ranchers have horses that are not their pets -they are their livelihoods. I am very happy that some consider their horses pets. Yrs. ago a woman would not sell me a fat, lazy, spoiled gelding because she was afraid I would work it. Her name is irrelevant. That was her opinion. I respected it but did not agree with it. I get REAL TIRED of folks bashing farmers & ranchers. They don't tell you how to make a buck, don't tell us how to make a buck Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch Mosier OR where fjords work for their feed
Re: Twins
This message is from: "lazyao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Two years ago in middle Tennesse there were seven sets of twins born live within a 50 mile area. No one knows why. AO
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This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >This message is from: Joel Harman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>There are some women who have BAD reactions to estrogen & progesterone >that are chemically derived. >If there were not a need from estrogens derived from pregnant mare urine >the ranches would not be there. >At least they are working on the land. I would hazard a guess the land >has been in their family for some time. >Get over it. Worry about something you can change - like the SUV you >don't really need to commute to work in - by yourself. . And in a scientific method, how many women are reacting to the NATURAL People have strong >opinions, and >they're entitled to them. All various opinions. But it does nobody any good >to insult the poster. I'd rather talk about the fjords! Pamela With one pregnant mare, with no twins! Amen! Pamelaand all this started because someone mentioned some poor little Fjord cross colts (and others) at a urine farm here in Canada. What some of us (myself included) need to do before we do our posts is to watch a video of Walt Disneys "Bambi". In it Thumper, (bunny) is reprimended by his father."IF YOU CAN'T SAY SOMETHING NICE, DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL!" Just think how pleasant it would be in here if someone could say something and not be jumped on for it. We all can take a lesson from that movie. and yes I, too am allergic to one of the synthetic estrogen pillsthe one that contains peanut oil. I also cannot take the urine one partly because I do not relish the thought of swallowing that stuff...and I reacted to it the one time I took it, as well. Right now I am having those dreaded hot flashes...or is it the heat Oh well blood tests next week should tell the tale and I shall go from there. I agree Carol...it is time to let this subject drop unless it pretains to adopting the colts which was the original intent of the poster. And yes, here it is very legal to kill meat animals in what ever way one wishes so far as I can see...but companion animals must be put to sleep humanelyI don't like the meat animals being used differently but man is for the most part a carnivore.and so far thats just the way things are. I do not necessarily agree with this...but as a meat eater and a farmers daughter, how can I condem the people who put food and needed drugs at our disposal? Its a big world out there friends and we should all try to get along in itso on that note ...have a great day everyone, Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: twins
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Julie Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Julie Will" > I wanted to report one interesting thing, and see if > others have had this > experience. We always ultrasound the mares we > breed, both to confirm the > pregnancy and to check for twins. Until this > summer, we have NEVER had twins > occur. This year, 3 mares have turned up with twins > on our farm, > Anybody else finding twins this year? Julie, We're no longer breeding horses, but our mare Line bore a pair of live twins the spring after she was imported into Canada from Norway. I don't think anyone had any idea she was carrying twins at the time she was imported. Anita said that the twin colts were born alive but their legs were a tangled mess. One twin was put down shortly after birth, the other later after it was obvious that his legs would never be of much use to him. We always used ultrasound on Line after bringing her to Washington state. One ultrasound did indicate there might be twins, but a subsequent ultrasound(several weeks later) revealed only one foal, which grew normally. I have always made sure that people who purchased Line's fillies knew about her twins - just in case such things are inherited, as they can be in humans. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
