Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #270
This message is from: "Diane McCracken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Gail.So sorry about Ida, I lost my percheron filly 2 yrs ago next week to coloic, it's a TERRIBLE thing to witness,& like you I hope to never see it again, but I think it's part of having horses, & it does happen even thou you do "everything right"...all my sympathy. Diane McCracken
Fw: Test message
This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This just bounced back to me saying I am not a valid address. lol - Original Message - From: Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Test message Me too. I always blame by server first (and most of the time it is them). This is getting frustrating. The last 3 messages I've sent haven't been on the list. I see replies to messages I never saw. Mid September it was taking 7-8 hours for things to show up after I sent them. People complained about AOL, but I don't use AOL. ALSO, I still get the seven dwarfs virus when I send things to the list. Maybe we have a virus on the fjord list(server or host) itself.??? Just a curious thought from someone who doesn't know much about computers. Teresa - Original Message - From: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Test message This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, They changed mail servers on me last night. I have a sneaking suspicion that messages from me are not getting thru to the list. I sent at least one titled Ida/Riba that has not come back to me yet. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ida/Riba
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Gail, We are so very, very sorry for your loss. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231.689.9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: Riba
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I walked a very depressed Riba to a boarding stable nearby yesterday. She wouldn't eat and whoever heard of a fjord that won't eat? She immediately bonded with a tall Thoroughbred gelding named Monty and started chewing hay. It helps. Gail
OT - Helping NY
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sent a request to some NYC officials. I asked for a list of businesses that are floundering now in the Manhattan area. I know there are many that are about to go under. I'd like to have our newspapers, tv stations, radio stations, publish a list of businesses. It's holiday season coming up. If we each buy one gift for family or friends from a NY business, and maybe one gift for a child whose parent was a victim of the tragedy, it would be our way to do something positive to help get these people back on their feet. I just received a reply back that they are working on a list of businesses and will provide them to me soon! Anybody here game? I could use some help getting the info to YOUR local newspapers, tv stations, etc. Or even if you'd just be interested in buying a gift from one of the stores, that would be great. Pamela
Re: Ida/Riba
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I too am sorry for your loss. And understand wanting to do what you think best for your remaining fjord. Sue's offer of holding onto Riba for you while you are grieving is a great idea. Then if you still thought it was in Riba's best interest at a later date to sell, you could. But she'd still be there for you if you decide you cannot part with her. It's always hard to lose a horse, especially when they cannot find why the horse colicked. This happened to me once, and it adds a terrible mystery to the loss. Pamela
Re: test
This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey! That time my message (Ida/Riba) only took 5 hours and 20 minutes to get through! I am making progress! lol Teresa
Re: Ida/Riba
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, I am so sorry to hear about Ida. I knew both your mares when they were still with Ginny. I know exactly how you feel, I wanted to part with my Fjords after I lost Katrina. The pain was just too much and I knew I couldn't go through it again. I still miss Katrina terribly but the pleasure I get from Katrina's son and from Heather have helped make that pain more bearable. If I can be of any help please let me know. I could have Riba here if you wanted me to, so you could have time to make a decision later when the pain is not so intense. You take care and know you are in my thoughts. Sue Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM
Re: Ida/Riba
This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am so sorry. I know how impotent it feels to loose a horse. Cry as much as you can and give Riba all your love and attention. She needs you as much as you need her. Depression in horses is real and they do seem to know whats going on when one of them gets sick. You may never have to go through this againthink about why you love you horses so much...think about how much happiness you derive from themand don't let yourself think about it ever happening again - it may not. We put so much more of ourselves into horses because they require more attention - grooming, playing, training, their size and personalities etc- then most pets. Their loss in our lives represents a big hole in our daily routine so we identify with them more and take it harder when we abruptly loose one. Riba will never be Ida in your heart but she needs you as much as you need her. I am so so sorry you have to go through this but take your time before making a life altering decision. Take care and visit with your friends online to help you through this. Teresa Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ida colicked yesterday morning. I called the vet immediately and she tubed > her with oil. I walked her 15 minutes every hour. Nothing helped and she > went down rapidly and last night she had to be put to sleep. We have no idea > why Ida colicked. She's never missed a worming, has small frequent meals, > etc., etc., lots of turnout. Most people here consider me to be an > overconscientious (I know they mean neurotic) horse owner.
Re: horse personality types
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/10/01 4:33:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Hmmm, I think this has been the case in several of our human counter parts in the past. I admit it, I stopped, and took off : ) (returned later) >> LOL. You studs are all the same! Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Fjords / )__~ /L /L
Re: horse personality types
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/9/01 5:05:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Rafael was away in training. #2 guy Tommes became #1 "in absentia" and proceeded to fawn over and even mount the mare. Actually I think she was the leader at that time, but her language seemed much more subtle than that of the geldings. She hardly had to raise her head or move an ear and they said "Yes Ma'am!" Amusingly, after returning from a ride with Tommes, I found "low man" Knute following the mare around, with an erection, attempting to groom her all over! He had to stop that immediately when Tommes reappeared. >> Hmmm, I think this has been the case in several of our human counter parts in the past. I admit it, I stopped, and took off : ) (returned later)
Re: Ida/Riba (resend)
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:55 PM 10/9/2001 EDT, you wrote: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Ida colicked yesterday morning. I called the vet immediately and she tubed >her with oil. I walked her 15 minutes every hour. Nothing helped and she >went down rapidly and last night she had to be put to sleep. We have no idea >why Ida colicked. She's never missed a worming, has small frequent meals, >etc., etc., lots of turnout. Most people here consider me to be an >overconscientious (I know they mean neurotic) horse owner. Oh, Gail. The tone of your note is all too familiar. Luisa colicked and died almost exactly a year ago. You comforted me then. One feels numbed, matter of fact, really sad and wanting not to go on.I can vividly imagine what it must be like for you. It is so painfuland you hate seeing your remaining horse without her. I still take an intense interest in Luisa's half siblings and would try very hard to reproduce her breeding if I could. Anyway, hang on and find a way to comfort yourself, however you can. Talk about it with the list, or privately. It does take a long time, but I would hate to see you lose your remaining Fjord. Yes, Arizona is harsh, but if it makes you feel any better, I find that my Fjord does better than the others in our heat...even with a long coat. The horrible feelings do pass, but ever so slowly. Go out and brush Riba, talk to us, whatever it takes to hang on. So sorry. Gail >Riba was so depressed she wouldn't eat even carrots and I took her over to a >boarding stable nearby today to be with other horses. It cheered her up and >she ate a little. I think Arizona is too harsh a climate and I would >consider giving someone a great deal on Riba if it were a cooler, loving >home. She's 6. I've had her three years and she's never spooked even once, >not at cars, school buses, hot air balloons, you name it. She's a lovely >mare, trained to ride and would make a marvelous driving horse, and she >deserves to be special. Call me a sissy, but I don't ever want to go through >this again. >Gail in Tucson > > > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CA Ray Hunt clinic needs participants by Saturday (resend)
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi All, My farrier, who works with John Brazil, an 82 (+-) year old cutting/reining horse trainer in Sonoma County, has arranged for Ray Hunt to add a local clinic (Petaluma CA ...about an hour north of San Francisco) for October 20-23. Colt starting and horsemanship. People are cancelling because of the WTC bombings...they do not want to travel, even locally. If they do not get three more participants by Saturday, they will cancel. The good news is that this will be a sparsely attended clinic...more time and attention!!! Jim and I decided to go ahead and pay for two spots. But they need another by Saturday. Anyone interested? Contact # is 778-3577. Tell them Sergio's client sent you. Additionally, I may not be able to actually GO to the clinic. Anyone interested in possibly taking my spot at the last minute...let me know and I will put you on my list. We are trying to interet my children, but don't know if we will get the interest. I have so much to do before the end of October that I am not sure I can go. I have a holding pen at my place if you need to come early or stay late. It is best to board at the place during the clinic though, as the traffic between here and Petaluma can be nasty. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Test message
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, They changed mail servers on me last night. I have a sneaking suspicion that messages from me are not getting thru to the list. I sent at least one titled Ida/Riba that has not come back to me yet. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: saddle tree size?
This message is from: Storme Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not to guarantee anything, but you have an excellent chance! That is what I used on my Fjord and it worked fine. Have fun shopping.. Storme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Does a "full quarter horse tree" western saddle fit a fjord's back? I know > -- measure first! As it happens, I have kept a nice cordura saddle from the > half draft I used to have . and I don't yet have a fjord (but hope to > soon) . > > So just out of couriosty, was wondering > > Sher
CA Ray Hunt clinic needs participants by Saturday
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi All, My farrier, who works with John Brazil, an 82 (+-) year old cutting/reining horse trainer in Sonoma County, has arranged for Ray Hunt to add a local clinic (Petaluma CA ...about an hour north of San Francisco) for October 20-23. Colt starting and horsemanship. People are cancelling because of the WTC bombings...they do not want to travel, even locally. If they do not get three more participants by Saturday, they will cancel. The good news is that this will be a sparsely attended clinic...more time and attention!!! Jim and I decided to go ahead and pay for two spots. But they need another by Saturday. Anyone interested? Contact # is 778-3577. Tell them Sergio's client sent you. Additionally, I may not be able to actually GO to the clinic. Anyone interested in possibly taking my spot at the last minute...let me know and I will put you on my list. We are trying to interet my children, but don't know if we will get the interest. I have so much to do before the end of October that I am not sure I can go. I have a holding pen at my place if you need to come early or stay late. It is best to board at the place during the clinic though, as the traffic between here and Petaluma can be nasty. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ida/Riba
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail: I am so sorry about Ida. Please know that many hearts go out to you. pat ttfn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ida colicked yesterday morning. I called the vet immediately and she tubed > her with oil. I walked her 15 minutes every hour. Nothing helped and she > went down rapidly and last night she had to be put to sleep. We have no idea > why Ida colicked. She's never missed a worming, has small frequent meals, > etc., etc., lots of turnout. Most people here consider me to be an > overconscientious (I know they mean neurotic) horse owner. > > Riba was so depressed she wouldn't eat even carrots and I took her over to a > boarding stable nearby today to be with other horses. It cheered her up and > she ate a little. I think Arizona is too harsh a climate and I would > consider giving someone a great deal on Riba if it were a cooler, loving > home. She's 6. I've had her three years and she's never spooked even once, > not at cars, school buses, hot air balloons, you name it. She's a lovely > mare, trained to ride and would make a marvelous driving horse, and she > deserves to be special. Call me a sissy, but I don't ever want to go through > this again. > Gail in Tucson
Re: saddle tree size?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/10/2001 5:12:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > My saddle is built on the "Modified Quarter Horse Bars" which aren't quite as flat as the "Full" and it fits our Fjords wonderfully. Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lexington Evaluations
This message is from: John & Martie Bolinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mary, John and I are going to the evaluations,but we are not taking any horses. We hope to be able to help Curt with whatever 'odds and ends' need work. I really look forward to seeing the Fjord group again since we were unable to travel at all this year. Martie in MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi All > > We are less than two weeks from the evaluations in Lexington, Virginia and I > have not seen any dialogue on the list about anyone heading this way.
saddle tree size?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does a "full quarter horse tree" western saddle fit a fjord's back? I know -- measure first! As it happens, I have kept a nice cordura saddle from the half draft I used to have . and I don't yet have a fjord (but hope to soon) . So just out of couriosty, was wondering Sher
Lexington Evaluations
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All We are less than two weeks from the evaluations in Lexington, Virginia and I have not seen any dialogue on the list about anyone heading this way. I think there are going to be 30 plus fjords here, so some of you must be coming. The Horse Center in Lexington is a beautiful facility in a beautiful part of Virginia. The weather through next Wednesday is in the middle 60's daytime and mid 30's at nite. I will update as the weatherman makes extended forecasts. The leaves should be in their glory by the 20th. I have read with excitement, and I must admit a bit of envy (because I couldn't attend), about the Libby and Turlock Evaluations. Would love to hear about your experiences getting ready to come here and will be of any help I can. We are going and taking our fjords. We have never even attended an evaluation, much less prepare our horses. So, needless to say, we are excited as well as a bit nervous about the unknown. Would love any advice any of you have to offer. Look forward to meeting some of you Mary Harvey
Driving clinic with Olaf Nyby?
This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi folks, I heard that Olaf Nyby from Norway recently held a driving clinic somewhere in the US, and that there were Fjords participating. Any of you listers? He lives in the same little place I grew up in Norway. I remember seeing him driving his Oldenburg four-in hand which was impressive. Now he only trains horses and teaches driving, without having horses of his own. He seems to be a great driver and teacher, the only negative thing I've heard is that he can be a little too "dominant" with extremely sensitive horses. If any of you attended I'd be really interested to hear about it! Dagrun
RE: horse personality types
This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
About personality types:
It is interesting that some stallions get along while others don't. My dear
four-legged friend Kneist in Norway (red dun now 9-year old stallion) got
along with some horses and absolutely not with others. When growing up, he
was best buddy with Rams Lindemann (now in the US) and they got along great.
Out in pasture together, playing happily. Then there was another stallion
whose name escapes me at the moment who was his sworn enemy. They totally
hated each other and would hurt each other if given a chance.
When I was training Kneist his stall was next to another fjord stallion,
Enar (Lindemann's sire, by the way), and they tolerated each other but not
enough to turn them out together, Enar was the oldest and most experienced
(sooo, how many mares have YOU had then? I am sure they know somehow...).
Interestingly, whenever Kneist had been to a show, for instance (and came
back seeming very proud of himself), Enar would get really furious and they
started "fighting" as well as they could with solid walls between them (not
much harm but definitely a lot of noise). Then after 5 to 10 minutes things
would calm down again. We were out on trails with the two of them together a
lot, and they behaved well, but we always kept a minimum distance. Enar was
friendly and kind to other horses, and wouldn't even try to mount a mare
that was not ready. Kneist, being somehow understimulated, would try to
mount even geldings if having the chance. ("Horses' backsides all look the
same to me!")
Now Kneist lives over in Forde (west of Norway) with his owner Anne-Karin.
She is currently working on his half brother Fandango (2-year old after
Flotren(also in US)). Fandango is behaving well for a young stallion and is
not trying to provoke Kneist at all. But the two attempts of turning them
out together didn't work out at all. Kneist was literally trying to kill his
little brother, so now he is turned out by himself. He is happy and
affectionate and respecful with people, and then suddenly he turns into this
killer beast. A scary reminder of the instincts and hormones at play in
stallions.
Last summer Kneist spent the summer with four mares (mini-herd) out in a big
field and the dominant mare Linda and her daughter were really teaching him
a lesson. When we first let them out together, he was so excited and behaved
like the king of the world. But when he happily approached them, all ready
to go, they certainly taught him a lesson. He was totally surprised. shook
his head and tried again. Same thing. After maybe the fifth attempt he gave
up and decided to give the grass a try instead. I could really see the
surprised and disappointed look on his face. Priceless!
When the fourth mare arrived a few weeks later, these two mares would try to
keep her away from him and go between them, even though she was in heat. It
took maybe half an hour before they finally got some privacy. It's really
interesting to watch horses in a "natural" environment. I have some of this
on tape, too.
Sorry this turned out longer than I intended...again!
Dagrun - now (soon) the proud owner of the offspring between Kneist and
Linda the "alpha" mare from this summer. Kneist's owner knows I really want
a red dun after Kneist so she's buying the foal for me! How's that for a
nice present? Unfortunately he has a little white star, which is not
accepted for stallions in Norway. So no breeding, but he is looking good and
I'm sure he will turn out a great horse. Time to return to Norway soon?
