Re: Fjord prices...
This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Dagrun and all, I'll make a list of average prices in Finland. There are no recommendations set by the breed association so these are what I've seen they've been of late: Stallion / gelding 1 year 1 Fmk /$1540 Mare 1 year 12000 Fmk / $1850 Gelding, 5-12 yrs, well driven and / or ridden 16000-18000 Fmk /$2460-2770 Mare, 5-12 yrs, well driven and / or ridden 2-25000 Fmk /$3080-3850 Stallion, prices vary beginning from 35000 Fmk /$5390 The price also depends on bloodlines. Danish and Swedish lines are a little less expensive than Norwegian. Best wishes Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html These were the Swedish prices Dagrun had: Stallion/gelding 1 year $700, mare 1 year $900 Stallion/gelding 2 years $1000, mare 2 years $1200 5-6 year old fjords, well driven and/or ridden and working in correct form: $2000 - 3000
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #268
This message is from: Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a quick note to let everyone know we are looking for a well broke pony or small horse for our kids. We already have 2 wonderful Fjords so would like a POA, Appy or Welsh; or something in between! Try the new pony board: http://pony.iceryder.net Several ponies for sale listed there. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: Intro
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kay welcome! I believe my first fjord came about as I was aging (rapidly) and had gone from my 17 hand warm blood to the couch. When I saw Ann Appleby riding Wez where I had my boy in training I was quite impressed. I read up on the beasties and sure enough was able to buy a very sweet boy from Karen (lister) and we did very well until his death (tragic). But then after some time I bought Gunnar who was and is quite a challenge. The other night he lifted the gate off again and I was shocked to see him grazing on the lawn. It was not until that evening when I went into the feed room that I found he had also been there. Frantically I searched the grain bags and supplement sacks. He had rearranged one grain bag and had pulled the alfalfa bales down. The door is left open usually as it does not lead into a pasture. I think he got about 15 pounds of grain and thank God turned to the alfalfa and then his conscience got the best of him. Dreamer, the green lawn looked too tantalizing. Thank heavens no harm done and the door is now closed and the gate roped shut until I can fix the hinges. I personally think you would enjoy the power of a fjord when it comes to pulling. Plus their personalities are usually people loving. I have the exception but then he has other appealing pluses such as being completely reliable under saddle. Good luck in your search. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, Wa 98563
Re: Intro
This message is from: Carol J. Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Margaret Hicks wrote: This message is from: Margaret Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, At this point, I don't have much to say of a practical nature or in a familiar knowing way about Fjords. I admire the Fjord's appearance and descriptive write ups very much. I've never seen one face-to-face, but I'd like to. That's about it. I'm mulling over the idea of acquiring a draft pony...or perhaps a team. I daydream about using original horsepower to mow 10 acres. (I wonder if there is such a gizmo as a one horse mower?) Inotherwords, I believe I'd really enjoy owning and using a sure 'nuf working animal. Hi Kay, Where do you live? I know someone who might have a pair of Percherons with harness for sale. They are well broke and a real dream to drive. -- Built FJORD tough Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: Intro
This message is from: Joe Glick [EMAIL PROTECTED] I live in Lancaster Co. PA, and a lot of the Amish mow their lawns with a small horse or pony. (Like a Haflinger, for instance) Most of them use a gang of reel mowers. Three mowers in a gang will mow a 60 path and can be pulled with a Haflinger or Fjord. I know one guy that mows his lawn with a Fjord. But if you're mowing 10 acres, you probably don't want to do it all at once with only one horse. Unless he's in real good condition. There's a local shop that sells any configuration you might want for a horse drawn mower. Except for sickle bar mowers. I don't think they handle them. They make their own fore-cart that you hitch your horse into and attach a ground driven gang mower or to a motorized rotary finish mower. Hope this helps. Joe
Re: ebay site
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol just look under harness, or horse harness, or wagons etc. You can see more of what is available that way. I buy horse bits and just search bit Brings up about 2000 items but the I just check for items being bid on by at least three people. Works for me. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, Wa 98563
Dang!
This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dang it all, Pat Holland, your Thorvald beat Erlend by 1.25 points in the NFHR Conformation Evaluation.! Phooey! Vut congratulations to you and to all your efforts to improve the breed with your imports. I'm impressed. Yours green with envy - Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re: Intro
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome Kay- The Norwegian Fjordhorse may be just what you're looking for. Many folks use them for real farm work in addition to pleasure/competition driving. List member Amy Evers works for the Small Farmer's Journal. I'm sure she can give you some article references. Happy Fjording! Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Re: Intro
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/12/2001 5:07:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (I wonder if there is such a gizmo as a one horse mower?) Yes, there certainly is such a thing as a one horse sickle bar mower. Several companies made them; McCormick - Deering is probably the most well known. However, they are pretty hard to find these days. Let me know where abouts you live and I may be able to point you in the right general direction! Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Intro
This message is from: Margaret Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, At this point, I don't have much to say of a practical nature or in a familiar knowing way about Fjords. I admire the Fjord's appearance and descriptive write ups very much. I've never seen one face-to-face, but I'd like to. That's about it. I'm mulling over the idea of acquiring a draft pony...or perhaps a team. I daydream about using original horsepower to mow 10 acres. (I wonder if there is such a gizmo as a one horse mower?) Inotherwords, I believe I'd really enjoy owning and using a sure 'nuf working animal. I expect the following sentiments might hit a raw nerve on the heart of a true-blue Fjord enthusiast. Good draft character, good feet and a large dollop of versatility matter more to me than breed and/or show records of it's ancestors. At this point, I don't know if I'll wind up with a 'runt' Belgian ( Is there such a thing as a 14.2 to 15 hand Belgian?); or a Haflinger; or a Fjord; or whatever. I intend to spend the winter reading all I can about drafts, going to auctions, and talking drafts with any soul kind enough to share knowledge. I presently own a pony-sized mule (too short to be useful), a Saddlebred mare, and a TWH filly. While a good group, none are particularly suitable for what I've got in mind. I believe I'd enjoy hearing how you wound up with Fjords. Was it the same drive to do something useful, skilled and honest with your favorite broomtail, too? Kay
Photo contest
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everyone, For several months we have had a photo contest at www.FjordsUSA.com and we are surprise at the lack of response. $20.00 toward merchandise is available to WIN each MONTH. Why not drag out the old photographs of your fjords doing anything... (English, western, driving, vaulting, show photos, anything) and submit them. There is not fee to enter the contest. Go to www.FjordsUSA.com and click on the contest button for rules and how to go about entering it. Thank you for your time... Catherine Lassesen HESTEHAVEN - THE HORSE GARDEN
Re: ebay site
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] SportsSporting goodsEquestrian EquipmentDriving At 04:53 PM 10/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Carol J. Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I'm guessing that ebay has changed things around again. Can someone tell me what category to find harness and horse drawn vehicles under? I'll thank you in advance. -- Built FJORD tough Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #268
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a quick note to let everyone know we are looking for a well broke pony or small horse for our kids. We already have 2 wonderful Fjords so would like a POA, Appy or Welsh; or something in between! Our search has been a very fustrating one so if anyone knows of someone in Ore. or Wash. with such a mount, please let me know. Best, Pam
ebay site
This message is from: Carol J. Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I'm guessing that ebay has changed things around again. Can someone tell me what category to find harness and horse drawn vehicles under? I'll thank you in advance. -- Built FJORD tough Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: Fjord prices...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/12/01 1:03:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does this surprise you or were you aware of the low prices in Scandinavia? I think fjord prices are rising in Norway now as more people see their value, also as a competitive sports horse Hi Dagrun- Very interesting, and very cheap! However I still chuckle when Americans consider Fjords expensive. According to my research, they are one of the lowest-priced pure breeds. Like Friesians? $20K and up. $10K for a weanling. Standardbreds? $20K for a youngster, $80K for one with training. Thoroughbreds? In the millions for racers. Etcetera... Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Our /A A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Fjords/A / )__~ /L /L
RE: Fjord prices...
This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Pat, Well that's the catch! I can't really say - I believe I've heard around $4000, that was from Norway to New York. Anyway, it will probably end up quite pricey. I'm sure somebody else on the list who has been importing knows these things. So I believe people would import only outstanding horses to justify the transportation price. And of course they would be more expensive to start with. Dagrun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Wilson Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 1:13 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Fjord prices... This message is from: Pat Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very interesting, but if one was interested, how much is transportation and the other costs for bringing a horse to the states? pat ttfn Dagrun Aarsten wrote: This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello listers, I was looking at the swedish fjord association website and found a recommended price list for selling fjords. I rewrite it here, converting 10 swedish kroner to 1 USD (actually it's a little less). I haven't seen any Norwegian official publication like this, but prices will be close to the swedish or slightly higher (Our currency is much stronger at the moment). I suppose these prices relate to correct conformation, well trained horses etc. Of course it is hard to set a standard but I thought you'd find this interesting: Colt, weanling $500, filly, weanling $700 Stallion/gelding 1 year $700, mare 1 year $900 Stallion/gelding 2 years $1000, mare 2 years $1200 Gelding 3 years, basic driving and riding (green broke): $1500 Mare 3-4 years, depending on training and breeding value: $1500 - 2000 5-6 year old fjords, well driven and/or ridden and working in correct form: $2000 - 3000 Of course the best quality horses (breeding and/or performance) will price higher. Does this surprise you or were you aware of the low prices in Scandinavia? I think fjord prics are rising in Norway now as more people see their value, also as a competitive sports horse. But it's true that the fjord is still regarded a boring farm horse by most Norwegians. That is, until they see a quality fjord perform :-) I enclose the original text for your swedish lessons... Dagrun http://home.swipnet.se/~w-71776/ Hingstfol: 5000 kr Stofol: 7000 kr Hingst /valack 1 ar: 7000 kr Sto 1ar: 9000 kr Hingst/valack 2 ar: 10.000 kr Sto 2 ar: 12.000 kr Valack 3 ar, kord o riden: 15.000 kr Sto, 3-4 beroende pa utbildning och avelsvarde: 15.000-20.000 kr 5-6 ariga fjordhastar, som ar val korda och/ eller ridna och som arbetar i ratt form: 20.000-30.000 kr.
Re: a little of everything!
This message is from: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Their sire Hertug (now 14) was recently exhibited at the large Danish Jubilee, where Denmark's best stallions competed. He got top points of 24, and was placed 4 out of 11. Number one was Orion Halsnaes. Howard and Sophie Fiedler attended the Danish Studbook's 60th Jubilee in Vilhelmsborg and came home with some amazing stories. To their surprise they ended up representing the United States, riding in a carriage in the closing ceremonies along with representatives from Germany, Belgium, Sweden, Switzerland and Norway. They claim the Danish know how to put on a show and some of the things they did prove that. After two days of the stallion evaluations which included conformation and performance the celebration show began. Six current breeding stallions were ridden in a dressage drill side by side. They had a drill team made up of ten driving pairs and then there was a performance with horses jumping a square in out (held by four men) interwoven with carriage driving. In the closing ceremonies all the Fjords that had performed, there were 60 to 70 Fjords, all entered the arena together- standing side by side to receive an exhibitors medal. This was all held at an equestrian facility on the grounds of an old castle. Both Howard and Sophie said they wish other Americans could go to see this event it is really spectacular. They were over there when the Twin Towers went down and they said everyone was wonderful to them and supportive of America. Having taken a few phone messages for them it seems they met and made some wonderful friends. I posted awhile back that Orion Halsnaes was the number one stallion in the 60th Jubilee show and he is the sire of our Danish stallion Kastanjegardens Fernando. Julie Halsnaes, Kastanjegardens Fernando's grand dam received her Gold Medal - the highest award a mare can get. Five of her approved breeding stallion offspring were shown with her of which 2 are Elites and 3 are1 kls. A full sister to Fernando, her name is Kastanjegardens Nicoline was the high scored overall mare. When troted in hand it was obvious that she has the same outstanding movement as Fernando. Howard and Sophie purchased the high scored four year old mare Thilde out of 47- 4 year olds and she is bred to Halskovs Vulkan a newly approved stallion who received 1st place in the 31/2 year olds and received a 9 in type - a 9 overall and 8's on all else. We also bought two weanling fillies from Germany. Howard and I are leaving November 15th to pick them up in New York. We are leaving this Wednesday for the Virginia evaluation - taking a three year old stallion Tico whom is by Inco by Illiano (a beautiful gray stallion in Germany). We had the other two three year old stallions evaluated at Blue Earth. Thordal by Lestor by Tunar and out of a Nordal daughter scored an 81 and blue level. Thorvald by Havstad out of a Tunar daughter scored 85.75 and as of this date is the highest scored stallion in the nation. All three of these stallions plus Fernando will be standing next year. Thorvald also received a Silver Medallion of quality because he received an 81 and blue level in intro draft. I was corresponding with someone a few days ago and they mentioned they didn't know we have four stallions. So I guess we should say we have four stallions! When we bought the three from Holland as weanlings we were waiting to see just how they grew up - taking them to the evaluations was a way for us to decide if they were good enough to stand - we felt all along their bloodlines warranted it and each in his own way has something remarkable about them. We will have a video of the stallions at the Virginia evaluation. We are also taking two three year old fillies with us that are for sale. They are going in the conformation tests and feel this is a good time, if anyone is looking for a good mare to buy to see first hand how they evaluate out as - they can also see how well they behave in a new place. Tabitha is a Manus daughter out of a daughter of Orsta. She is 14-2 very feminine and balanced. She has a soft and easy temperament. We have ridden her in ring and on trails and she is very trustworthy. She has a very nice natural canter and is light and carries herself well. Tamarinde is an Bjorgard daughter out of a daughter of Brusvein. She is 14-1 and travels low and long. We have only ridden her in the ring as she is still very green. I like this mare alot and think she has a good future. She is a half sister to Parabel ( out of the same mare). Parabel holds a Silver Blue Medallion of Quality, receiving a blue in conformation, intro riding and intro driving and a red in advanced driving. She looks alot like her sister and she reacts to training in similar ways. We sold Parabel last year and she was one of my favorite horses. We sell good horses here! Also a good time to tell you the Midwest Fjord Horse Club winter meeting is set for March 9-10
Re: Fjord prices...
This message is from: Pat Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very interesting, but if one was interested, how much is transportation and the other costs for bringing a horse to the states? pat ttfn Dagrun Aarsten wrote: This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello listers, I was looking at the swedish fjord association website and found a recommended price list for selling fjords. I rewrite it here, converting 10 swedish kroner to 1 USD (actually it's a little less). I haven't seen any Norwegian official publication like this, but prices will be close to the swedish or slightly higher (Our currency is much stronger at the moment). I suppose these prices relate to correct conformation, well trained horses etc. Of course it is hard to set a standard but I thought you'd find this interesting: Colt, weanling $500, filly, weanling $700 Stallion/gelding 1 year $700, mare 1 year $900 Stallion/gelding 2 years $1000, mare 2 years $1200 Gelding 3 years, basic driving and riding (green broke): $1500 Mare 3-4 years, depending on training and breeding value: $1500 - 2000 5-6 year old fjords, well driven and/or ridden and working in correct form: $2000 - 3000 Of course the best quality horses (breeding and/or performance) will price higher. Does this surprise you or were you aware of the low prices in Scandinavia? I think fjord prics are rising in Norway now as more people see their value, also as a competitive sports horse. But it's true that the fjord is still regarded a boring farm horse by most Norwegians. That is, until they see a quality fjord perform :-) I enclose the original text for your swedish lessons... Dagrun http://home.swipnet.se/~w-71776/ Hingstfol: 5000 kr Stofol: 7000 kr Hingst /valack 1 ar: 7000 kr Sto 1ar: 9000 kr Hingst/valack 2 ar: 10.000 kr Sto 2 ar: 12.000 kr Valack 3 ar, kord o riden: 15.000 kr Sto, 3-4 beroende pa utbildning och avelsvarde: 15.000-20.000 kr 5-6 ariga fjordhastar, som ar val korda och/ eller ridna och som arbetar i ratt form: 20.000-30.000 kr.
Fjord prices...
This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello listers, I was looking at the swedish fjord association website and found a recommended price list for selling fjords. I rewrite it here, converting 10 swedish kroner to 1 USD (actually it's a little less). I haven't seen any Norwegian official publication like this, but prices will be close to the swedish or slightly higher (Our currency is much stronger at the moment). I suppose these prices relate to correct conformation, well trained horses etc. Of course it is hard to set a standard but I thought you'd find this interesting: Colt, weanling $500, filly, weanling $700 Stallion/gelding 1 year $700, mare 1 year $900 Stallion/gelding 2 years $1000, mare 2 years $1200 Gelding 3 years, basic driving and riding (green broke): $1500 Mare 3-4 years, depending on training and breeding value: $1500 - 2000 5-6 year old fjords, well driven and/or ridden and working in correct form: $2000 - 3000 Of course the best quality horses (breeding and/or performance) will price higher. Does this surprise you or were you aware of the low prices in Scandinavia? I think fjord prics are rising in Norway now as more people see their value, also as a competitive sports horse. But it's true that the fjord is still regarded a boring farm horse by most Norwegians. That is, until they see a quality fjord perform :-) I enclose the original text for your swedish lessons... Dagrun http://home.swipnet.se/~w-71776/ Hingstfol: 5000 kr Stofol: 7000 kr Hingst /valack 1 ar: 7000 kr Sto 1ar: 9000 kr Hingst/valack 2 ar: 10.000 kr Sto 2 ar: 12.000 kr Valack 3 ar, kord o riden: 15.000 kr Sto, 3-4 beroende pa utbildning och avelsvarde: 15.000-20.000 kr 5-6 ariga fjordhastar, som ar val korda och/ eller ridna och som arbetar i ratt form: 20.000-30.000 kr.
So sorry, Gail!
This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, I wish there were a way to comfort someone who has just lost a beloved horse. My heart goes out to you. Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re: National Show
This message is from: Pat Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you pat ttfn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Decorah is in Iowa - North east corner. Very pretty area of hills and valleys. Home of Luther College.
Re: Weaning, pain relief after operation
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Sini- Great post. I'm printing it for my files! It's great to hear that studies are being done (a la Dr. Strasser) to determine the natural way horses live in the wild, and ought to be raised in captivity. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Our /A A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Fjords/A / )__~ /L /L
Re: saddle tree size?
This message is from: Pat Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the information Jean. My husband keeps saying that our two year old is never going to get as big as his brother. I keep saying, patience, he has a lot longer to grow. pat ttfn Jean Ernest wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] My 15-2 hand gelding grew until he was seven years old at least..filling out some after that. My now six year old mare Anvil's Adel seems to have grown this last summer..at least filling out more. She was very slim and lanky this spring, with a longer back than the previous year (The vertebral column is the last part of the skeleton to finish growing). Through this summer she has put on some weight, granted, but also just seems to have filled out, with a broader chest and more muscling in the hindquarters. I definitely think you willfind a lot of change in your 3 year olds by the time they reach 6 or 7 years old. From Dr. Deb Bennett's Equine Studies Institue Website: The process of fusion goes from the bottom up. In other words, the lower down toward the hoofs you look, the earlier the growth plates will have fused; and the higher up toward the animal's back you look, the later. The growth plate at the top of the coffin bone (the most distal bone of the limb) is fused at birth. What this means is that the coffin bones get no TALLER after birth (they get much larger around, though, by another mechanism). That's the first one. In order after that: 2. Short pastern - top bottom between birth and 6 mos. 3. Long pastern - top bottom between 6 mos. And 1 yr. 4. Cannon bone - top bottom between 8 mos. And 1.5 yrs. 5. Small bones of knee - top bottom on each, between 1.5 and 2.5 yrs. 6. Bottom of radius-ulna - between 2 and 2.5 yrs. 7. Weight-bearing portion of glenoid notch at top of radius - between 2.5 and 3 yrs. 8. Humerus - top bottom, between 3 and 3.5 yrs. 9. Scapula - glenoid or bottom (weight-bearing) portion - between 3.5 and 4 yrs. 10. Hindlimb - lower portions same as forelimb 11. Hock - this joint is late for as low down as it is; growth plates on the tibial fibular tarsals don't fuse until the animal is four (so the hocks are a known weak point - even the 18th-century literature warns against driving young horses in plow or other deep or sticky footing, or jumping them up into a heavy load, for danger of spraining their hocks) 12. Tibia - top bottom, between 2.5 and 3 yrs. 13. Femur - bottom, between 3 and 3.5 yrs.; neck, between 3.5 and 4 yrs.; major and 3rd trochanters, between 3 and 3.5 yrs. 14. Pelvis - growth plates on the points of hip, peak of croup (tubera sacrale), and points of buttock (tuber ischii), between 3 and 4 yrs. ...and what do you think is last? The vertebral column, of course. A normal horse has 32 vertebrae between the back of the skull and the root of the dock, and there are several growth plates on each one, the most important of which is the one capping the centrum. These do not fuse until the horse is at least 5 1/2 years old (and this figure applies to a small-sized, scrubby, range-raised mare. The taller your horse and the longer its neck, the later full fusion will occur. And for a male - is this a surprise? -- you add six months. So, for example, a 17-hand TB or Saddlebred or WB gelding may not be fully mature until his 8th year - something that owners of such individuals have often told me that they suspected ). Jeam in Fairbanks, Alaska, 23 degrees and only 10 hours daylight today! I have wondered if fjords get their growth early or late or it depends on the line. For instance, I raised an app/arab that grew till he was 5 years old. The owner of the arab stallion told me that his stallion's colts grew for a long time. Are fjords predictible in their growth patterns. I have 4 fjords under 3 yrs and have no idea if the spring-born fillies are pretty much full-sized or I can expect more growth. Any data on this would be appreciated. Thanks Mary Harvey Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: National Show
This message is from: Pat Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I give up, where is Decorah? pat ttfn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] DeeAnna, Tim Hamlett from Arlington, IA has been talking to people about having a National Show in Decorah. It is still in the talking stages. 100% of the idea is still in the talking stages. That is first to have a National Show and Second where to have it. Tim would like to have it in Decorah with the festival there. However, the hotel rooms are lacking. He has been looking into the college/university there for housing. Catherine Lassesen HESTEHAVEN - THE HORSE GARDEN
Re: Weaning, pain relief after operation
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean your snow has begun and our rain has started after a long drought. Our dams are mere trickles. I think we might be a bit happier than you about the six months snow Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, Wa 98563
Re: saddle tree size?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/12/2001 8:00:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have wondered if fjords get their growth early or late or it depends on the line. Hi Mary: So far, the young fjords we have / have had seem to do a LOT of growing between two and five years. One Mare, Islys, was barely 13 hands at two and is now 14+ hands at age 5. My Taffy also gained several inches between age two and now (age five). You will also see a deepening of the heart girth, and usually a widening of the ribcage as your filly matures. As for a two year old needing an Extra wide full Quarter Horse tree, I would highly doubt it. I have a couple of pretty broad backed fjords (Anyone who's seen Taffy or Morna can attest to it!) and my custom built (by my Dad) saddle with Modified Quarter Horse Bars fits them extremely well. You will want to be sure your new saddle has small, preferably rounded, skirts though to accommodate the shorter back of a fjord. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: saddle tree size?
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] My 15-2 hand gelding grew until he was seven years old at least..filling out some after that. My now six year old mare Anvil's Adel seems to have grown this last summer..at least filling out more. She was very slim and lanky this spring, with a longer back than the previous year (The vertebral column is the last part of the skeleton to finish growing). Through this summer she has put on some weight, granted, but also just seems to have filled out, with a broader chest and more muscling in the hindquarters. I definitely think you willfind a lot of change in your 3 year olds by the time they reach 6 or 7 years old. From Dr. Deb Bennett's Equine Studies Institue Website: The process of fusion goes from the bottom up. In other words, the lower down toward the hoofs you look, the earlier the growth plates will have fused; and the higher up toward the animal's back you look, the later. The growth plate at the top of the coffin bone (the most distal bone of the limb) is fused at birth. What this means is that the coffin bones get no TALLER after birth (they get much larger around, though, by another mechanism). That's the first one. In order after that: 2. Short pastern - top bottom between birth and 6 mos. 3. Long pastern - top bottom between 6 mos. And 1 yr. 4. Cannon bone - top bottom between 8 mos. And 1.5 yrs. 5. Small bones of knee - top bottom on each, between 1.5 and 2.5 yrs. 6. Bottom of radius-ulna - between 2 and 2.5 yrs. 7. Weight-bearing portion of glenoid notch at top of radius - between 2.5 and 3 yrs. 8. Humerus - top bottom, between 3 and 3.5 yrs. 9. Scapula - glenoid or bottom (weight-bearing) portion - between 3.5 and 4 yrs. 10. Hindlimb - lower portions same as forelimb 11. Hock - this joint is late for as low down as it is; growth plates on the tibial fibular tarsals don't fuse until the animal is four (so the hocks are a known weak point - even the 18th-century literature warns against driving young horses in plow or other deep or sticky footing, or jumping them up into a heavy load, for danger of spraining their hocks) 12. Tibia - top bottom, between 2.5 and 3 yrs. 13. Femur - bottom, between 3 and 3.5 yrs.; neck, between 3.5 and 4 yrs.; major and 3rd trochanters, between 3 and 3.5 yrs. 14. Pelvis - growth plates on the points of hip, peak of croup (tubera sacrale), and points of buttock (tuber ischii), between 3 and 4 yrs. ...and what do you think is last? The vertebral column, of course. A normal horse has 32 vertebrae between the back of the skull and the root of the dock, and there are several growth plates on each one, the most important of which is the one capping the centrum. These do not fuse until the horse is at least 5 1/2 years old (and this figure applies to a small-sized, scrubby, range-raised mare. The taller your horse and the longer its neck, the later full fusion will occur. And for a male - is this a surprise? -- you add six months. So, for example, a 17-hand TB or Saddlebred or WB gelding may not be fully mature until his 8th year - something that owners of such individuals have often told me that they suspected ). Jeam in Fairbanks, Alaska, 23 degrees and only 10 hours daylight today! I have wondered if fjords get their growth early or late or it depends on the line. For instance, I raised an app/arab that grew till he was 5 years old. The owner of the arab stallion told me that his stallion's colts grew for a long time. Are fjords predictible in their growth patterns. I have 4 fjords under 3 yrs and have no idea if the spring-born fillies are pretty much full-sized or I can expect more growth. Any data on this would be appreciated. Thanks Mary Harvey Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weaning, pain relief after operation
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] A foal stays with her dam for at least one, often two or three years. Even if the dam has a new foal, the previous one usually stays around and sometimes even keeps suckling...snip.. Weaning earlier than what is natural is common and the consequencessnip.. One of the mildest form is that the horse will fear being away from other horses for work (he knows from experience his buddies may disappear like happened back then when he was weaned although he was not ready to be on his own), Maybe this is why my big gelding Bjorken will happily go off alone on a ride with me, with no apparent concern about leaving the others..He wasn't weaned until 14 months old and then only separated by a fence from his mom. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where we had our first snow that stuck yesterday and winter has begun. we won't see the bare ground again for 6 months! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weaning, pain
This message is from: Carol J. Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] sini seppala wrote: This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] I should have written They are usually still mentally childish until they're five or six *years* old, even older. thanks Sini. Hi, Your long post was very interesting and I appreciate all that you have to contribute. Keep it up. -- Built FJORD tough Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Weaning, pain relief after operation
This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] In nature, when are horses weaned? Several persons have studied wild and semi-wild herds in North America and Europe (camargues and przewalskis in semi-wild circumstances or after being returned to nature in Mongolia). A foal stays with her dam for at least one, often two or three years. Even if the dam has a new foal, the previous one usually stays around and sometimes even keeps suckling. Weaning earlier than what is natural is common and the consequences may not show until later. One of the risks is causing the foal a permanent, basic feeling of insecurity and mistrust towards people. This is expressed in various outlets that are called problems or vices. One of the mildest form is that the horse will fear being away from other horses for work (he knows from experience his buddies may disappear like happened back then when he was weaned although he was not ready to be on hiw own), which may lead to his being reluctant to get caught and go to work. He generally trusts people's intentions very little and is not able to concentrate properly. However, horses are often incredibly flexible and may eventually learn to live with this kind of traumas just as we humans learn to live with them: we automatically tie our horses as they might otherwise run back to their herd, we always stay alert as it's never completely secure to ride or drive a horse who'd rather be back home checking on his friends at least if something scares him. Or we buy severe bits to make sure we'll be able to control him as we know he will not trust us enough to stay there and wait for us to solve the problem, when something scary happens. If weaned early, many find the best way is to do it gradually, individually and over a period of months. If the foal still has access to his dam (but may not be able to suckle) and both know where the other is at all times, and both have other friends around and something nice and relaxing to do, it may go well even if the foal is young. However, they are usually still mentally childish until they're five or six, even older. As for gelding colts: please make sure he's given proper medication for pain for days after the operation. As horses are prey animals they don't show their pain - if they acted any different from the rest of the herd, they would draw the predator's attention. Horses don't scream like many other animals in pain and they don't even limp until they have no other choice. Quite the contrary, as also the British vet Sara Wyche says in September issue of Horse Rider, Amazing though it may sound, horses can pull some incredible feats of agility out of the bag when it matters most - and sometimes in spite of underlying problems, which could render them lame. Superficially, the horse's instinct is to put on a convincing show of soundness, because it's all part of his survival code - lame horses attract predators. When a horse finally starts limping or refuses to move under pressure due to pain, he's most likely been in pain for a long time. This has also been proved through blood testing, looking for for example stress hormones that indicate pain. Horses' sense of pain is very well developed: the ones that didn't care about the predator's claws on their skin lost their lives and disappeared from the chain of evolution. The most sensitive lived and passed their sensitive genes on to their offspring. If you think about how you feel after an operation - the horse will feel at least as much pain. Sorry this is so long.. Best wishes Sini.
