Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/2/01 5:44:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << There is a lot of controversy about the Strasser method. >> Hi Jean- I enjoyed your post, and am glad you have a good farrier! We are not Strasser (or any other professional's) devotees. Rather, we take what works from each system (of hoof care, training, or whatever). However we often recommend Dr. Strasser's books because they are the most informative, easy to read and based on exhaustive scientific study rather than just theory. Also good reads are Jaime Jackson's two books on hoof care and natural life style for horses. As far as the actual trim ... each horse is such an individual that what is done must be decided by the owner and farrier. There is no one way to do it. It is often a case of trial-and-error. We have 3 Fjords, and they all have TOTALLY different feet. Different size, shape, wear pattern. Whoever is being ridden/exercised more will tend to have tougher hooves and need less trimming. The best part of keeping our horses barefoot and doing the trims myself is an increased awareness. Never before did I notice all the nuances of the hooves: the angles, measurements, textures, color... It's fascinating. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Fjords / )__~ /L /L
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This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Has anyone tried this Fjord Chat? I get a message about it every week, have tried twice, but each time there is no Fjord chatroom. :^( Anyone know anything about it? Thanks. Karen _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Some of the sites Jean sent are really good and make sense about barefoot horses. I also found some that discussed whether sole and frog should be taken out ...generally the answer seems to be NO. I REALLY want to learn how to recognize good and bad farriery. Probably will take the course at the local junior college this spring. In the meantime...my update. The horse seems better. Still rainy and wet here. I could put iodine on him, but it seems to me there is no way to dry him out when everything, even the well-drained areas, is wet. Farrier called today and said the problem was probably that he trimmed too much frog off. From what I can tell, the only reason to trim frog is if there are stray pieces that make it impossible to clean the hooves. Anyway...was going to interview a new farrier today...but his barn is flooding from the BIG rains here. Perhaps next week. > >My farrier is VERY careful about not trimming too short, especially a horse >that will go barefoot. >Trimming them might have caused bruising of the sole due to the hard frozen >ground. He also will not take much sole out. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jack, There is a lot of controversy about the Strasser method. Check out the discussion on the Equine Studies Institute (Deb Bennett) website. (Hurry, they're going to scrub these messages and start over so they may not be available for long.) http://www.equinestudies.org/disc_toc.htm Under the heading "Finally an answer about windpuffs": BIG long heated discussion, arguments on both sides about the Strasser natural Hoof idea..some links: "At the risk of stirring up the Brigade of Strasserite Devotees, please review the following information: http://web.cetlink.net/~farrier/fads.htm http://www.cpb.uokhsc.edu/ojvr/hoof99b.htm http://www.horseshoes.com/advice/balancingnormalfoot/balancingnormalfoot.htm I have two of my Fjords shod with winter shoes and rim snow pads and two unshod. The two unshod ones may never have to have shoes, but if I rode them much in winter on the ice I would want to put borium winter shoes and snow pads on for safety. My farrier is VERY careful about not trimming too short, especially a horse that will go barefoot. He refused to trim my two mares who don't have shoes, even tho their feet were a bit long, as the ground is so frozen and hard with very little snow and the weather was due to turn very cold. Trimming them might have caused bruising of the sole due to the hard frozen ground. He also will not take much sole out. I have never had a lame horse due to shoeing or trimming in 14 years with this farrier. BTW he is very apposed to the Strasser method, having had to correct a lot of problems caused by application or perhaps misapplication of this method. I am not saying the Strasser method is wrong..just it is not the answer for every horse. Do your research and make up your own mind, but don't accept any method blindly. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear and VERY cold, -30F this morning with only 4 1/2 hours daylight! Hooves don't grow much in the winter here! >Hi there, >I totally agree with the above suggestion. Someone once told me that >horses hoofs are four hearts on the ground. After much research on the >subject, I am more than inclined to agree. It's strange that so many know so >much about our beloved horses, but, know little about the importance of the >hoof. I strongly recommend that you purchase the book (only 182 pages) "A >lifetime of Soundness" by Hiltrud Strasser. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who Owns the List
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/1/01 9:12:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << As long as I spend the time to maintain this list, I own it and I make the rules. >> Hi there Steve, I am so glad to finally find out who is "in charge" of this wonderful and information packed list. I have learned so much from other Fjord owners, and have met so many wonderful people through this list that it would be impossible to mention them all. I must agree with your "rules" about viruses. I enjoy the discussions on this list, and read mostly all of them because they talk primarily about what we all have in common. "Fjords." And am quick to "delete" anything that isn't. Those types of things are a true waste of time and effort from those who insist to write about them. As you stated, there are many sites that are specifically made for those topics, and that's where they should stay. I was unaware that you accepted "contributions," In appreciation of your fine work and efforts to maintain this great site, I would like to donate (no strings attached) a few $ toward your expenses. Thank you so much for a job well done. I too would like to hear a little more from you in the future, as I'm sure we all do. God bless you, and may you enjoy a wonderful time of this holiday season. Sincerely, Jack 'n Brigid PS, please give us an address for donations. ' Jack Long San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html
Re: "those Fjord folks are a group to themselves"
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/1/01 7:25:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The hardest part of learning Lyons' methods actually has been training myself, not the horse! >> Hi there, This has to be the best and most honest statement I have ever read. I thought I was the only one to admit this. Even with Brigid's continuing encouragement to be patient, I realy blow it sometimes. I've come a long way now, but, "I" need more training : ) Jack
Re: train a Fjord differently
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/30/01 8:38:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >> Hi there, Brigid, (my significant other half) has been training two of our Fjords with the "clicker training" method, and much to my surprise, has had amazing results. I myself like the John Lyons/ Gale Ware methods. And in spite of her great success with the clicker, I'm a die hard who just stays with the method that works for me. Just thought you may want to look into the clicker method. You can e mail Brigid through this list. Good Luck, Jack
Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/30/01 1:39:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I wanted to add something to what everyone has said about the sore feet. Do you know how to check and see if there is a strong pulse going to the feet? A short trim job can founder a horse, and bute or banamine plus corrective shoeing might be needed immediately. If you wanted to feel safe, maybe a call to the vet is not a bad idea. Also, the vet could tell you if the horse is trimmed too short. >> Hi there, I totally agree with the above suggestion. Someone once told me that horses hoofs are four hearts on the ground. After much research on the subject, I am more than inclined to agree. It's strange that so many know so much about our beloved horses, but, know little about the importance of the hoof. I strongly recommend that you purchase the book (only 182 pages) "A lifetime of Soundness" by Hiltrud Strasser. It is filled with valuable information about the hoof. You can only get it through the web at: www.star-ridge.com .. She has also written another 127 page book entitled "Shoeing: A necessary Evil?" If you are not into "bare foot," these books are still a vital tool to enlighten you to the importance of the hoof. I hope you have a vet look at your horse, (and the Farrier should pay in my own opinion) or you could have a lame horse on your hands. Please let us know what comes of all this. Thank you for listening. Jack
Good Xmas Fun??
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about trying a few. 1. Take red and green tape and cover your horse's halter for a festive look. 2. Trim your horse's hooves with pinking shears and stencil a different holiday picture on each hoof. 3. Tie ribbons on the muck tub and decorate the handle with bells. Whenever your horse poops, skip up the aisle shaking the tub, humming "Here Comes Santa Claus." 4. Spray paint the pitchfork gold and decorate with raffia and holly. 5. Place a fresh lemon slice in your horse's new silver water bucket. 6. Stamp out carrot and apple treats with copper cookie cutters and decorate with royal icing and a number 2 rosette tip. 7. Collect mane and tail hair and hang in wire baskets outside the barn for the birds. 8. Let the farm dogs drink eggnog from the toilet bowl. 9. Restful all your pillows with horse hair saved from bodyclipping. 10. French braid your horse's tail intertwining red, gold and green threads, and make him wear a Santa hat. 11. Dress up like Santa. Put antlers on your horse. Hitch him up to the manure spreader and drive around the farm yelling "On Donner, On Blitzen etc." 12. Decorate yourself, your horse and your tack with Xmas tree lights. Use methane from your most flatulent horse to power the whole system. 13. Soak your white polos in starch. While still wet, form into angels. When dry, hang up around the barn. 14. Coat the barn cats in Elmer's glue and roll in red and green glitter. 15. Take the chain harrow and spell out "Merry Christmas" in your neighbor's hay field so people in airplanes can read it. 16. Change cross ties in barn to braided red licorice. Hot glue candy canes at 3 inch intervals. 17. Fill the automatic waterers with hot buttered rum. 18. Hang mistletoe over the stallion's door and let all the "girls" stop by for a kiss. 19. Train your geldings to write "Merry Christmas" in the snow. Disclaimer: The author does not necessarily recommend or advocate these transformations and will not be responsible for anyone trying them and please do not roll the barn cats in glue. Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud,Tillie & Amy Evers Redmond OR (541) 548-6018 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
fjord brain
This message is from: "Teressa Kandianis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was puttering around the kitchen this morning and a knock comes at the door. Out in our neighborhood, 8am is pretty early for neighbors to come by without calling. Well it was a neighbor about a half mile away who said her husband was leading our two fjords up our driveway. They had been awakened by the sounds of noise on their patio, thought it was their kids up earlier than normal, checked on the kids who were still tucked in, and went out to see Merit and Nina hanging around. Great neighbors we have, the guy put a rope around muzzle on each (he expressed surprise at how easy they were to "catch" - no catching b eing required, ofcourse) asked the kids whose horses they were and he and his wife headed over to our house - his wife in the car, him leading the happy and amiable fjords - who were thrilled with all the attention. All the gates were closed, the wire was hot - but we found a gate unchained but swung shut with hoof prints leading out. This gate is always chained shut, we haven't gone through that gate in months - however, it is a favorite point for Nina to shove her head through in search of a blade of grass. We suspect she worked with the clasp - a simple little thing and the chain was loose, not tight - until it came undone. We've gradually replaced all of the clasp closures around the pasture - should've done them all at once the first time this happened ...but we kept thinking it was a fluke, maybe some kid wanted to walk in som,e heavy mud and opened a gate and forgot to close it (never seen any neighbor's kids going into our pasture - they gave up long ago practicing golf swings in there because the fjords won't let them alone and they always asked before going in anyhow). Anyway, this was new destination for them - they got some early morning attention, so we'll have to beef up this escape route or Nina will be back at it when the notion strikes her. And once she starts a deconstruction project, she doesn't stop until it is finished. And hey, Steve, thanks for the good time. And for keeping us on track. Teressa in Ferndale, WA.
keeping the list on course
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eike Schoen-Petersen) Thank you Steve for maintaining the list as it is. For all of us who may not speak up too often but like to keep in touch with the North-American part of the Fjord-world it is good to have the list limited to the set topic. Otherwise I couldn't afford the time to browse through it for the interesting bits. Thanks again and good tidings to all listers, Eike Schoen-Petersen Haffwiesenhof 17375 Leopoldshagen Germany Tel.:+49-39774-20222
Thank You Steve!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For providing us many hours of entertainment and information (especially in the winter months) Be patient with us, winter is coming it will only get worse !!! Thanks Again for your dedication and hard work and PLEASE PLEASE post more! The Noonan's Stevensville, MT
Where is the snow?!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To all of you lucky folks who actually have snow---I am so jealous! We're still waiting patiently for some nice white stuff and those balmy November days are but a annoying memory. When November comes in MI, you *want* it to be chilly! Some white stuff would be *nice!* Personally, I thought it was funny to wear shorts in mid-NOV and still be picking flowers and catnip at Thanksgiving but enough already! It's December-we want some snow, too! Mary and Finn in Ann Arbor MI
Re: "those Fjord folks are a group to themselves"
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/30/01 8:23:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << << a car is driving on the street near the riding way, and the measurement said: 52 km/h ca. 33 mph. >> >> Hi there, As a new member of the "FAST LANE", everything felt like 55 mph plus to me during my first canter : ) However, I'm looking forward to one day soon hitting the "passing gear" and enjoy the wind in my face as the thunder of those drafty hoofs hit the ground and the acceleration of my wonderful Fjord Raphael powers beneath me. Jack
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Re: Who Owns the List
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve, I'd like to add my gratitude to the pile of thanks that folks are sending you, I've always thought it was an extraordinary privilege to be a part of such an inspired idea. I've been riding this free horse for some time now... The List has afforded me an opinion on every conceivable Fjord subject that arises here, allowing me to give the false impression of unlimited wisdom = I can't thank you enough for your priceless gift of time, and long duty as a List Master, for the betterment of Fjords everywhere. If the List wasn't so extra special to us we wouldn't have gotten carried away with concern about keeping our free horses booted up and raring to go to Fjordland = Wishing you tons of reward for the good you've done. Ruthie, and Gene, NW MT
