Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #15
This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] THANKS Debbie and Oke, and everyone else who was very helpful-- have plenty of contacts now = Great to have unlimited resources at hand! Go List! Ruthie, nw mt This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a gal that needs pronto info on where to buy a 5 1/2 riding bit . are you there Jean Earnest?? Try Smuckers In pa Smucker's Harness Shop They have all sizes all type2014 Main St. They ship and take charge cardsNarvon PA 17555 Tel: 717-445-5956 Fax 717-455-7752 They have a catalog with driving harness (nice but not like Dave's) but they also have riding stuff Hope this helps Debbie and Oke
Fjord Colours
This message is from: Snowy Mtn. [EMAIL PROTECTED] What if you breed a white dun mare to a grey stallion? Hi Jan I remember reading that if you breed too many generations of grey to grey you increase your chances of getting an albino. I can only expect if your generations of white are white born of white white etc. this It is a bingo game breeding white greys I know that many a white has carried a grey gene. Who is your grey stallion ? I sure love them, I have a few grey stallions, I have a friend interested in finding out about any possible grey mares for sale. Please let me know I am interested as well but can I afford one ? Lauren Sellars Snowy Mtn Fjords www.fjordhorse.net
Re: response to Kathy in Idaho
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/17/02 6:50:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . However, I have tried to find the link, but, I can't seem to even come close to finding it. I realize you don''t have the info on it, but, if you could just give me any sort of key word that I could start from, I will definitely keep trying. I Ho Jack I'm not Kathy, but I have a tip for you. Do a Google search and look under horse shippers. I just did this and came up with NUMEROUS websites. One that sounds like what Kathy was talking about may be horse-travel.com. Here is the link to my Google search for you. A HREF=http://www.google.com/search?q=horse+shippersbtnG=Google+Search;Google Search: horse shippers/A Pamela
A Bit Warmer?????
This message is from: Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:56 AM 1/16/02 -0800, Peg Knutson wrote: except stories about things getting a bit warmer... Help! Well, you could invent one and really clean up on the market, or you could do what we do way up north. If I ride my horse with a bit in the winter, I just hang the bridle around my neck and under my jacket while I'm brushing and tacking up my horse. Usually by the time I'm done the bit is warm. If the temps are colder - say in the teens or colder - I ride with a bitless bridle - such as a VERY mild short-shanked mechanical hackamore (Karen Mac - I know, I Know they are UGLY, but...) I also have a bosal-type bitless bridle with grass reins I can use also. I seriously haven't heard of a bit warmer though. It's suppose to get a bit warmer up here by this weekend. ;-) Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords In still-Heraldless northern Minnesota where it's suppose to go below zero tonight. First time this winter.
Indiscriminate breeding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/16/02 10:17:14 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ~~ I've read that if one has very deep feelings regarding a matter, they should write themdown,... then tear up the paper. Well, I just typed them regarding that mare, then deleted them. I feel better now. But I do still have one concern,... that mare's foals do not appear to show her adverse, and downright dangerous, disposition at this time, but have any of these FOALS been bred to see if they pass on that awful gene? It could skip a generation. Just a thought. Judy LOLOL Judy ! You could have sent those thoughts to me privately girl ! Everyone knows that I share pretty much say what I think in person, g and on the list. I hear what you are saying. That awful gene is hardly what I would call one mare who wants to be left alone, and is bossy and will show HER feelings to people, as well as other horses. She has alot of qualitys, and without expounding on her good bloodlines ect. lets just say that with a critical eye, I would build up or slap down reasons for breeding or not breeding any of my mares. We have spent alot of time, energy and money to put together a group of wonderful mares here to breed with our ( and outside ) stallions. We have had 3 of ours evaluated and have been very pleased with the comments and scores they all got. Having 2 Blue Ribbon mares here foaling this summer, one outside breeding to Hostar, one to our Sr. Stallion, is the reason we have been in Fjords ( only ) now for years. I do not breed whats in my back yard to whats in my back yard, as evidenced by sending mares to outside stallions, to great expense. Im only telling you this to help you understand that breeding this mare is and has produced very very good offspring, that show none of the mares tendency to object in forced issues. She is quite content to be handled and even likes attention when its not asking her to go work. She has hormonal problems, and alot of mares have had them. Should I not breed my lovely Juli ( Blue Ribbon evaluated mare ) because she popped a splint when she was 3 while driving her on hard ground ? Should I not breed Linnea ( another Blue Ribbon evaluated mare ) because her disposition is very laid back, and I am trying to breed for forward driving horses for me to compete with ? Or maybe laid back is more of a good traite you would like to see, other than one whos energy is high ? There is no perfect Fjord. Even the high-point evaluated stallions and mares have some comments or points off for something. That is what the evaluation process is about. NOT to breed the perfect Fjordbut to help us as serious breeders to look for mares who cross nicely with a stallion who brings out their best traits, and helps to dilute the traits that we would like to alter. Long backs, bred to shorter coupled ones. Long faces bred to the dishy ones. ect. ect. Calm, docile, laid back dispositions, bred to ones who are not ! There is the cross. My Stallion Nels is so easy, and drafty, and an angel to manage, that I believe that he puts a great disposition on all his get. Not to disqualify this mares good background and proven bloodlines both in Norway and the US. If I didnt believe that early training / handleing / hormones ect. wasnt the picture here, I wouldnt breed this mare. It would be a shame, as she is a very correct, winning mare that has babies out doing dressage ect. for their owners, and has produced an outstanding colt for us. I could find reasons to not to breed any of mine, Blue Ribbons or not, to any proven Stallion, by some example of type, behavior, lameness, not forward enough to compete in driven dressage, too long, too tall, too short ect. Its not the idea of filtering out all of what people, vets, judges ect. could find fault with, but looking for the best match's of Fjord type, health, soundness, size, attitude, confirmation, and disposition. All good breeding is evidenced by the 2nd, 3rd, and following generations, not what stands in front of you in your yard, or even in the evaluation ring. So, as with all great traits and obvious faults in what we breed, the proof is ( going to be ) in the pudding. Thanks for your thoughts. We share the same feeling about indiscriminate breeding of these Fjords. If you are breeding to whoever is close, cheap, or easy to haul too.without closely considering the above mentioned qualitys and faults in your own herd.than you will not improve whats in your own back yard. This is why I bought a bred mare ( Samstein ) and Im sending 2 of my own mares out this summer for outside breedings, and with 2 wonderful Stallions here, and am expecting a ( Hostar) foal this early summer. Lisa Pedersen * Cedar City, UT. * sunny, cool with a storm brewing up North.
Re: Thanks list, an answer to prayer
This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi there list, First, thank you to those who responded to my plea for help. You just proved once more that there are some sincere people out there that truly care about others. I got answers from southern Ca. to Alaska, and their hearts were open for my needs. Thank you a thousand times. As you know from my first post, the problem was the inability for me to financially afford to transport my beloved Fjord here and have a place for him to stay. This of course is a temporary situation I can assure you. My new business in Salem will flourish, and I will soon be back on my feet. In the mean time, I now need to have him transported here from Half-moon Bay California to Catherine Lassesen's ranch, HESTEHAVEN in Days Creek, which she says is located south of Roseburg and north of Grant's Pass. I may be asking a lot, but, I will try to get enough to cover what is needed, depends on the situation at the time of an answer. I am looking for someone who will be transporting a horse or horses that Raphael could hitch a ride with. Perhaps I could pitch in what I could to help with the transportation fee they are already paying. Or, if someone has a truck and a horse trailer and wanted to take me to pick him up, I could and would be willing to do what ever is necessary to accomplish the trip. Again, if someone lives here and does the latter, I would be willing to work on their property (ranch) and give what ever money I can come up with. I am not a carpenter per say, but have many years carpentry skills. Just let me know what your needs are. Please let me know as soon as you can. Thank you so much for even considering this, Jack Long and Raphael There is a service-go onto the web and look under horse transportation-which links up people traveling with horses needing to get to a particular place. I was at wits end last year trying to get a fjord from ohio to idaho - I am off the regular routes. within 24 hours of listing there was a person going from 30 miles of where my horse was in ohio who was passing within 3 miles of my home. she was transporting two of her own and one other horse. Be careful, though, these are usually private individuals and there are no guarantees. My horse got here in excellent shape but there were some tense moments because of communications snafus. I apologize I cannot remember the name of the listing service Kathy in Southern Idaho.
Re: Colors of Dun
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mary, A red dun can be thrown by two brown dun parents as long as they carry what Brian Jacobsen calls the recessive red dun gene. Mike May and Brian were kind enough to discuss colors with me last year when one of our brown dun mares bred by our brown dun stallion had a red dun filly. Hope this is of help, Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: Colors of Dun
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] In his article on color in Fjordhorses,Dr. Sponenberg states: In addition to zebra(brown dun) vs mouse (gray) vs red duns, sosme Fjord horses also have the palomino type gene. This one is interesting in that it barely betrays itself in most instances. The palomino (or more precisely, the cremello) gene is abbreviated _c_ while the absence is _C_ (meaning that it is recessive) The gene is interesting in that in one dose it lightens red to yellow, but does not affect black. In two doses it lightens all colors to cream with blue eyes. In most zebra (brown) dun Fjord horses the cremello gene would only cause a subtle difference in color. These would still be zebra (brown) duns, but would be yellower rather than a light orange tan. Since the breed has been selected to be fairly yellow within the zebra dun group, this difference will be subtle within Fjordhorses. On Mouse (grey) duns the cremello gene in a single dose will barely be noticed, altho it can lighten them somewhat. On red duns it has a pronounced effect. These have very minimal stripes, are very yellow, and tend to have white points. These are the Fjord equivalent of palomino. In two doses the cremello gene causes Zebra (brown) duns to be perlino, Mouse (grey) duns to be silver smoky, and red duns to be cremello. The cremello gene is really a fun gene that is full of surprises. It is an integral and historic part of the Fjordhorse breed and should be considered as such. Due to the uniformity of the breed to be pale Zebra (brown) duns the cremello gene usually skates on through the generations unnoticed--until it pairs up with itself and results in a blue eyed cream horse. These should really be expected in a very low percentage of matings, and are part of the color heritage of the breed. The article is at http://www.nfhr.com/newsinfo.html#Documents scroll down to Educational Articles of Interest to Fjord Owners and look for the 2 part article Color in Fjord Horses Mary wrote: A yellow dun is a red dun with another dilution gene. Red duns seem to need a white dun parent. Also, the same white dun can produce a yellow dun - without going through the whitedun to red dun to yellow dun sequence. In other words, the same white dun might produce a red dun offspring, OR a yellow dun offspring - depending on what comes through in the pairing with another Fjord. According to Tor Nestas, a white dun is a dilution of brown dun, with what he calls some sliding between the colors. There is no 'chestnut' involved here anywhere. You get a white dun by 'diluting' the brown dun(which comes from bay) - then you get the red or yellow dun by further diluting the white dun, which gives a horse color with such a dilute 'dun factor' that, especially in the yellow dun, there are virtually NO dun markings.(They are there, it's just nearly impossible to see them because the shading is so subtle). Yellow duns look palomino - and are allowed only a few(or maybe now it's 'no') dark hairs in the tail. I seem to remember counting dark hairs at one time - maybe it was less than 6? Red duns look like 'reddish yellow duns' and, again, have no(or only a very few) dark hairs in the mane or tail. I understand that grey duns can also 'through' red dun offspring. Peg, do you know how this one works? Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, mild for January at +25F Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #13
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:04 AM 1/17/2002 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Mike. So I guess that answered my questions pretty well. Does the Norwegian studbook list a color for the mare Flikka 13310(Perfekt/Breidi)? Sorry I don't seem to have that book. I don't have a complete set unfortunately. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Colors of Dun
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also would like to ask you what color you think that the white duns are. the yellow duns are genetically chestnuts with both a dun dilution, and a creme or CCC gene. Not quite, I'm afraid. A yellow dun is a red dun with another dilution gene. Red duns seem to need a white dun parent. Also, the same white dun can produce a yellow dun - without going through the whitedun to red dun to yellow dun sequence. In other words, the same white dun might produce a red dun offspring, OR a yellow dun offspring - depending on what comes through in the pairing with another Fjord. According to Tor Nestas, a white dun is a dilution of brown dun, with what he calls some sliding between the colors. There is no 'chestnut' involved here anywhere. You get a white dun by 'diluting' the brown dun(which comes from bay) - then you get the red or yellow dun by further diluting the white dun, which gives a horse color with such a dilute 'dun factor' that, especially in the yellow dun, there are virtually NO dun markings.(They are there, it's just nearly impossible to see them because the shading is so subtle). Yellow duns look palomino - and are allowed only a few(or maybe now it's 'no') dark hairs in the tail. I seem to remember counting dark hairs at one time - maybe it was less than 6? Red duns look like 'reddish yellow duns' and, again, have no(or only a very few) dark hairs in the mane or tail. I understand that grey duns can also 'through' red dun offspring. Peg, do you know how this one works? Mary Who owns a white dun(ulsdun) mare with sons and daughters of every Fjord color except gray. That had to wait for the 'next' generation. = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: need bit contact
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stevens Hobby Farm has larger, draft size bridles and bits and is a good source for western bits and snaffles and custom size bridles. http://www.stevenshobbyfarm.com/ SMUCKERS also has larger bits as does Rod's Western Palace http://www.rods.com/ Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, mild again with light snow, +25 F I've bought bits that are 51/2 and 6 inches from Millers, State Line, Bit of Britain and Libertyville. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #13
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Does anyone know for sure what color the Norwegian stallion Ola Gik was? According to the Norwegian Stud Book he is a light brown dun. I own an ulsdun daughter of his - out of a brown dun mare this is entirely possible as brown duns could carry the CCr gene hidden for several generations while she was in an ulsdun daughter(sired by Bjutind), Also a Light Brown Dun a yellow dun daughter(sired by Trajan) Also a Light Brown Dun Thanks Mike. So I guess that answered my questions pretty well. Does the Norwegian studbook list a color for the mare Flikka 13310(Perfekt/Breidi)? The 'light brown dun' stallions probably carried some 'hidden genes' for white. And of course being an ulsdun herself, Line, is capable of foaling red dun or yellow dun when paired with these light brown duns. The yellow dun(Faksi) must have REALLY inherited a 'genetic soup': a red dun gene, plus a CCr gene to dilute the red to yellow. This mare has another red dun daughter born in Canada, plus some possible yellow duns in the next generation and kvits in that generation. All seem to have brown to light brown(golden brown) eyes and I'm not aware of any pink skinned ones. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hotmail Subscribers
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are any Hotmail users who get this message, you are lucky. For the past week, it appears that many of the messages sent to Hotmail users by the list server are not making it. I have mentioned before there there seems to be a problem with Hotmail, but looking closely it appears to me that the list is not being rejected for any reason, it is simply because the Hotmail network isn't really working much of the time. If this gets through to any Hotmail subscribers I really urge you to look into moving your email to some other provider. I think from examining the error messages I am getting from Hotmail that you are probably missing email in addition to the FjordHorse List. Holler at Hotmail, but start looking for another way to get your email. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List
Archives? Steve...
This message is from: Foxfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, The list archives are not updating. Last post showing is from 1/14/02 Jean Gayle's. Just to let you know, since once, I think, you said you would not otherwise be aware. BP Foxfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://foxfirefjords.homestead.com/
Re: Herald
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:15 PM 1/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Michele Bigelow [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have not gotten our Herald yet. ANyone else waiting for theirs? The East Coast is just now getting them Michelle. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Herald
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:57 PM 1/16/2002 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:15 PM 1/16/02 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Michele Bigelow [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have not gotten our Herald yet. ANyone else waiting for theirs? Michele Ne Herald Up here yet either? How long should we wait before we realize we're never going to get it? Wah! Lets wait until the end of next week anyway. If you don't have on by the 25th let me know. Some of them have been returned by the post office Sally is remailing them to the correct people. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: need bit contact
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've bought bits that are 51/2 and 6 inches from Millers, State Line, Bit of Britain and Libertyville. They take awhile to get as none of the places stock many which really surprises me with all the drafts and warmbloods that are riding horses today. Robyn in MD
Re: Horse Transporters
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Peg I've seen homemade bit warmers made of a large can over an electric light bulb and you hand the bit on the can. Not sure how safe it is to do that but it did work. I just put the whole bridle under my coat while I'm tacking up and it's nice and warm when it's time to put it in. Robyn in MD
RE: Fjord grinstolpe topps!
This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mary! I loved this exchange of emails...particulary you first little request. Wonderful! Veldig bra! Don't we Norwegians have charming accents...:-) Dagrun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve and Mary Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:26 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Fjord grinstolpe topps! This message is from: Steve and Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi other fjordies... I have taken it upon myself to write to the norwegian fella with the fjords and boars and iron fjord goodies. Here's what he sent me! Correspond to him if you want one of those fence post topsI'm ordering a bunch for our new farm! His engesk isn't really all that badhe writes like it sounds when they talk to you in person! My friend from Sweden talks just like this! When I was reading it, I imagined her voice! Prices are great. He's about 5-6 hours ahead of us (eastern standard time) Mary Dixon Ann Ar-bore MI Here's the whole correspondence: Subject: Re: På USA Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:26:06 +0100 From: Kjartan F. Alnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: 1 Hello Mary - to your questione the ansore is yes we speak english but we are not so good at rating i english. Our fjord deisein we just our on stallion Hildmann as a motiv. All the atimes is hand made from the farm bay use. The fjord fig. is made in steel 4 mm and is 14 cm long whis no paint on. (playnsteel). We can paint them if ask or giv them a galveistion tritment agent corrodition (rust). We can make them in ather difrent sais if ask to fit whis ever gatepoll you want. To make the price essy you take away a the 0 ( nkr150 = $15, nkr175 = $17,5, nkr250 = $25) taks inkluded. Paint or galvaistion is 15% or 25% ekstra on the price. NB Shipping handling is not included. When ordering you just nr. and name on the gift and R or L saide (whis foto) and how meny. Eksapel 1. nr.04 BOK / CD STØTTE 3 ( 3 x $25 = $75) Eksapel 2. nr.08 DØR/VEGG PRYD L 2 and R 7 ( 9 x $15 = $135) Eksapel 3. nr.01 GRINSTOLPE TOPP 2 painted ( 2 x $15 = $30 x 1.15 = $34,5) PS!!! nr. 04 book/ cd holder weigh 1.9 kg. Sory that we havent got aroud to translation our site in english. We are working whis it. We vil send you a mail vend is redy. As you se we are not so good to rait in english. So you si, we need som exsturnel help for that. Med vennlig hilsen Kjartan og Anette - Original Message - From: Steve and Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: På USA Gjøre du tale engelsk? På USA. I like fjord grinstolpe topp! USA penger? Takk skal du ha! Mary Dixon 5814 Thomas Rd Ann Arbor MI, 48108 USA
Mare For Sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a lovely 12 year old, brown dun Fjord mare for sale. She is very typey with exquisite markings and conformation. Perfect health. No stable vices. Trained to drive and has competed in CDE's. She will carry a person but needs further training to be called a riding horse. She is a proven brood mare. Riata is Canadian registered from Anvil's Acre stock. We are south of San Francisco. Asking $5K. I love this special mare but health forces sale. Pamela Garofalo
Re: Colors of Dun
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suggest you read Dr. Phil Sponenberg's article on color in Fjordhorses, as well as his book EQUINE COLOR GENETICS Published by Iowa State University Press in 1996. The article is at http://www.nfhr.com/newsinfo.html#Documents scroll down to Educational Articles of Interest to Fjord Owners and look for the 2 part article Color in Fjord Horses I think you will have a better understanding of the genetics of these colors. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, with 5:16 hours daylight! Wait, Tami, the red dun is the chestnut with dun dilution. I think that leaves the yellow and white duns as red dun with heterozygous cremello dilution (both dun and palomino present) and red dun with homozygous cremello dilution (dun and cremello present). What all this doesn't address is what happens when the cremello dilution is present, either hetero or homozygous, in the brown duns? Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Arena base
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail screenings are known by different names around the country. They are gritty pieces from 1/2 to less to a powdery residue. Dust seems to come up only about a foot in very dry weather. I also use it in my paddocks and wherever I have a mud problem. Some rocks get in with it but I have about six inches put down so it gives enough not to injure a hoof. they do not slide in it and it sinks only about an inch or less (except Charley who leaves craters when he full out runs out of the arena. I let them use the arena as a run in. They like to roll in it also which gives the darker ones a ghastly covering! It does not cause rain rot however. Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Colors of Dun
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also would like to ask you what color you think that the white duns are. You know, the brown dun is genetically a bay with a dun dilution, and the greys are genetically black with a dun dilution, and the yellow duns are genetically chestnuts with both a dun dilution, and a creme or CCC gene. So is a white dun a brown dun with the Ccr gene? What do you guys think? Tami Wait, Tami, the red dun is the chestnut with dun dilution. I think that leaves the yellow and white duns as red dun with heterozygous cremello dilution (both dun and palomino present) and red dun with homozygous cremello dilution (dun and cremello present). What all this doesn't address is what happens when the cremello dilution is present, either hetero or homozygous, in the brown duns? If a brown dun is bay with dun dilution, if the cremello gene were also present heterozygously you would actually have a brown dun buckskin. And if you bred two of those types together, if the offspring picked up the cremello gene from each parent (homozygous cremello) you would then have a brown dun perlino. There are probably such individuals out there, but their phenotype (outward appearance) is that of some shade of brown dun. I guess you could also take this into the grey duns, as well. I just love horse colors! Cheers! Karen _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Re: Congrats Laurie Russ is Lucky.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Laurie, Congratulations! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re:Thanks list, an answer to prayer
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi there list, First, thank you to those who responded to my plea for help. You just proved once more that there are some sincere people out there that truly care about others. I got answers from southern Ca. to Alaska, and their hearts were open for my needs. Thank you a thousand times. As you know from my first post, the problem was the inability for me to financially afford to transport my beloved Fjord here and have a place for him to stay. This of course is a temporary situation I can assure you. My new business in Salem will flourish, and I will soon be back on my feet. In the mean time, I now need to have him transported here from Half-moon Bay California to Catherine Lassesen's ranch, HESTEHAVEN in Days Creek, which she says is located south of Roseburg and north of Grant's Pass. I may be asking a lot, but, I will try to get enough to cover what is needed, depends on the situation at the time of an answer. I am looking for someone who will be transporting a horse or horses that Raphael could hitch a ride with. Perhaps I could pitch in what I could to help with the transportation fee they are already paying. Or, if someone has a truck and a horse trailer and wanted to take me to pick him up, I could and would be willing to do what ever is necessary to accomplish the trip. Again, if someone lives here and does the latter, I would be willing to work on their property (ranch) and give what ever money I can come up with. I am not a carpenter per say, but have many years carpentry skills. Just let me know what your needs are. Please let me know as soon as you can. Thank you so much for even considering this, Jack Long and Raphael
Re: Horse Transporters
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/16/2002 12:54:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We need to transport a horse from the Colorado Springs area to Ellensburg. Our usual hauler, Horsin' Around, doesn't serve that area. They mentioned Nationwide and All States. Anyone had any experience with them or know of any others? Thanks in advance We have used Nationwide to ship our horse from California to Michigan and she arrived in good shape. My sister used them to ship her horse from California to Colorado and back again, and also had good luck. We use Horsin' Around also, and have had good luck with them. Rondi Tyler. So. Calif.
Re: Raphael and I thank you!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/16/02 6:10:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jack - Keep in touch! Hi there, I just heard from Brigid, and it's a go. I am going to post an appeal to anyone who is transporting any horses to the area from Ca. To see if Rafael can hitch a ride with them. I could possible get some money to help share the cost, but, as you know from my call for help message, I just don't have the financial support at this time to do much at all. Thus the reason for that message. I will write it now, and we will see what develops. I have had great responses to my plea for his needing a place to board, and I must continue to say that Fjord people are the GREATEST!I am devistated by all the wonderful responses and love. You will be hearing from me. I have a small six cylinder Toyota truck that is not near the vehicle to pull a 1200 pound bundle of love, and a 1500 lb. trailer. Keep your fingers crossed. Jack
