Re: A Bit Warmer?????
This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:50 AM 1/18/02 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mary Ofjord wrote: > > > If I ride my horse with a bit in the winter, I just hang the bridle > around my neck and under my jacket while I'm brushing and tacking up my > horse. Usually by the time I'm done the bit is warm. Ahh but Mary is a true Real Northern Woman! Please be careful when doing this if you aren't qualified!! Mark Mariposa Farm Watch it Mark. I'll get back at you...when you LEAST expect it. Snerk, snerk!!
Re: Thank You and working with an Animal Communicator
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi There- I absolutely believe that animal communicators are real. Hell, that's how I know my animals so well! That these folks can do it without being physically present is amazing, but very real. I'm sure Patrick thanks you for asking him the cause of the problems. I think one of the toughest parts of communicating with animals in this way is that we realize WE are the cause of most problems! And the solution begins when we start LISTENING. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Fjords / )__~ /L /L
WINTER RX-- HEADSTALL & BITS
This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List from Brian Jensen; I noticed lately questions about bit warmers, and several folks offered suggestions. When in doubt-- do what our forefathers did. Bring them inside for the winter!!! We have a short wall by the back door with suitable hangers for 6 Driving Bridles. We have done it for 18 years without electrical gadgets!!! It works!! Brian J Ursula & Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
Re: Felix - Ad
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd like to apologise to the List, and in particular to Sally & Bill Webber and Loi Albrough - I had meant to post these comments privately, but think that too much caffiene and/or house confinement got the better part of my cyber-wits. I am a twit. I admit it. sorry! (really) kmac = <|:0 [me in a dunce cap;in case you coudn't figger it out..] _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: On another subject...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to offer the woman from England a place to stop/layover whatever in MD. Our farm is located in Port Deposit, MD. We are basically where MD, DE and PA meet. Robyn
White horses, Lice
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a couple suggestions/ideas. Could the "lice" actually be rain rot? I've used Desiden Ointment on our horses for that after cleaning well with a tea tree oil scrub. On the "white" horse question I have a friend with a leopard appaloosa who sunburns horribly including his eyelids. All his white areas have pink skin under them. He has to be kept in all day and let out only at night. Told her she didn't want one. I've had numerous apps in the barn over the years and I think they should all be born with tubes of eye antibiotic. They all had bad inflammation in their eyes over and over. Robyn in MD 3 and a half inches of snow Sat. Nina and I had a great time in it.
white dun filly
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WOW! Thanks to all who responded about my white dun filly. I was (mostly) joking when I asked if anyone was interested in her - I was feeling a bit discouraged thinking about the genetic possibilities of breeding her to my grey stallion. I'm really not ready to sell her - but thanks to all those who were interested in hearing more about her. Sorry for any confusion, Jan
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #18
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In the Fjords and all line-backed duns it is the DUN gene (Dn+) That produces the dun colors..The cremello gene (Cr+) is in addition to the Dun gene, and produces the White duns, yellow, etc. The DUN gene does produce a "brown dun" from the Bay, grey or mouse dun from the black and red dun from the chestnut or Sorrel..Add the cremello gene and you get a white dun, a very light grey, a yellow, etc. If the cremello gene pairs up with itself, then you get the very light Kvit. At least this is my understanding of it all. Considering that there are other factors and various shades of all the colors, it is not a simple straight forward process, which makes it all the more fascinating! JEan in Fairbanks, Alaska, Where there is hope that there will be enough snow for the Yukon Quest 1000mile dog sled race. >I would just like to remind everyone that there is no such thing as albinos >in horses. An albino would be totally without pigment and would have pink >irises in the eyes. There no horses like that. The horses that have been >referred to as albinos are cremellos and perlinos. They have a double >dilution of the creme gene which dilutes bay to buckskin and chestnut to >palomino. They have blue eyes. I have two ponies that are cremellos. Their >health is fine, they have no problems, their skin is only truly pink under >their white markings, the rest of their skin is a pumpkin color. They do >sometimes squint in bright sunshine, that is the only minor problem that I've >had. >If you do a search under all the white duns that are registered on the NFHR, >there are at least a few white duns that had brown dun so there must be at >least a few brown duns that carry the creme dilution gene. Tami > > > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fungus
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, The best treatment I have found for this fungus is formalin (10% formaldehyde), which is what they use to preserve samples in for diagnostic labs and biology labs. Have your vet or farrier carve away as much hoof wall as needed to completely expose any affected area. If you leave any uncovered it will just continue to spread. I've had to remove more than half a hoof one time. After I have it all exposed I soak a few gauze in the formalin and then pack it into the area you have exposed. I then wrap the foot up in some vet wrap or duct tape. I'll change this bandage about every 3 days. When it looks good and dry and it hasn't spread under more hoof, I will then rebuild the hoof wall with some hoof repair material. I like the formalin because it penetrates the tissues well and is very inexpensive. Many of the other hoof products like Thrush Buster contain formalin if you read the label and you can buy a whole quart of formalin for what those little bottles cost. I disagree that chlorox is harmful to the tissue for treating thrush. If you dilute it 10:1 with water, it works well for many bacterial conditions without harming the tissue too much. But for the problem of fungus I don't think it works as well as formalin. I don't think strong tincture of iodine has any place in medicine anymore, human or veterinary. It is just way more potent than what is necessary. Research has shown that the more dilute the iodine solution is the better it works. If you take your iodine and dilute it with distilled water to where it looks like weak iced tea, then this is a better solution to use on cuts and wounds. Good luck Steve Steve White Waterloo, Nebraska
Re: Felix - Ad
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen McCarthy wrote: > So, what is a mare to do? I have very little faith in AI. I wish the NFHR > would do a study of how many shopments were made and what the resulting > conception rate is...I personally feel its really hard to manipulate these > fjord mares into concieving this way. What about you? Karen, I would also be interested in a study on AI conception rates. Perhaps people like Julie Will and others who are doing a fair amount of AI would have some input on this. Felix has not done a ton of AI yet but he has had some stunning successes, like the time he settled two mares out in Calgary with one single shipment! I understand the mares were at a good repro clinic and it does seem key that the vets on both sides are very capable. So, like the mutual funds say, these results may not be typical, but on the other hand they are certainly encouraging. I will reply to your other questions off list, I just thought the AI conception question might be of general interest. Lori
Re: Lice, Diagnosis, Treatment
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Ivermectin can kill sucking lice I think..When did you last worm with >Ivermectin? Within the last few weeks. I saw something on one website on Ivermectin killing lice, but not on any others. I wondered if they were correct. If he has lice, it seems more likely to me that it is the biting type...though I have to say, I do feel like his general hair coat is not as good looking as it should be...like maybe he is not as healthy as he should be. > >My understanding is that lice inhabit the mane area more, but I don't >really know. Have you looked in his mane? Yes...no sign of them...but I have yet to get out my nit/louse comb. I spent a month in the seventies wielding my trusty nit comb on my daughter and son. Actually managed to stop a louse infestation without using ANY insecticides. (The school wanted me to use Lindane on my childrenI was not pleased.) I would make them strip to their underwear and sit out in the sun while I combed, then shower afterwards and put their clothing out in the sun (we had no dryer or really hot water to sterilize the clothing). Our neighbors finally gave their kids a buzz cut after months of trying Lindane shampoos...so...if I put my mind to it I could probably find lice if they are there...it is just that all that Fjord fur is daunting to look thru. Allergies have been suggested. It does not sound like the right location for mange symptoms. Will let you all know if/when I figure it out. ONe possibility was a "stereotypic behavior"...but it does not occur in summer, so that is proabably not be it. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: paddock feeder
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How about bolting it to something they have to stand on to push the feeder over, like a large heavy rubber mat, possibly backed by plywood or 2 X 4 for stiffness? >> I have two questions.First,I have a large Rohn galvanized paddock feeder >> (the kind with a large long hay rack on top and a large plastic feeding pan >> on each side).It probably weighs 300lb.,but my two fjords think that it is >> fun to tip it over.T Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: white caps for t-posts
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Bonnie I found them, with good help, in the State Line Tack Cat.. Not exactly the same but good enough. The others were a thick round dome over the cap which would protect a body falling on the post. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
holiday and $$
This message is from: "John & Eunice Bosomworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So you get a holiday today in the US.Hope you are enjoying it. In Canada we don't get any holidays in Jan or Feb. (Should have either Groundhog day or Valentine's Day off) I suppose Canadians have to keep working since our $$ is sinking even lower. It takes over $1.63 Cdn. to get 1 US dollar. Now that I have mentioned the $$ Question: When fjords are advertised for sale on the LIST, are we to assume that the prices are in US funds? Also since websites go worldwide wish currency was stated on all merchandise, horses, stud fees,etc. .. or anything that is for sale. Even though we don't get a holiday today, this day (in Canada) has been designated as National "Hugging Day".So I gave our fjords an extra "BIG HUG". Fjordally yours, Eunice little more snow today but not cold (temp is at the freezing point)
Re: paddock feeder
This message is from: John & Martie Bolinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ellen, I use a broom first on my rough floors, flagstone kitchen and brick. Then we go over with either a damp wet mop or vacuum and then mop if the floor is really gritty. I hardly use the vacuum in the rooms with the rough floors except for dusting. Don't try the swiffer sweeper on the rough stuff :-O. It leaves behind swiffer pieces everywhere and looks worse than the dog hair. I DO use a lot of floormop sponges though. Can't offer any suggestions about the feeder. We screwed the hayfeeders to the fence so they couldn't run off with them between feedings, but we don't have anything nearly as heavy as you describe. The grain feeders are also attached to the fence; they were the kind you can just set over the fence boards and remove easilly for cleaning. I found them ALL over the pasture and even outside the pasture where they were tossed.! Martie in MD Ellen Davidson wrote: > This message is from: "Ellen Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have two questions.First,I have a large Rohn galvanized paddock feeder > (the kind with a large long hay rack on top and a large plastic feeding pan > on each side).It probably weighs 300lb.,but my two fjords think that it is > fun to tip it over.The ground is level and flat,but there must be one tiny > bit of hay that they can't reach so they knock it over.It takes two of us to > right it again.Any ideas on how to better secure this down yet still be safe > for the beasties? I really like it.Second question (not about > horses,sorry).Anyone suggest a vacuum cleaner when you let your dogs rule > the house? I've been through about one a year.Only the 10 gallon shop vac > has held up to dog hair,but it is a pain to push around the house.I have a > weird house,mostly brick floors,little carpet and some tile.I'm thinking > "leaf blower" but that probably would be rough in the kitchen and office. > Thanks,Ellen and her poor,starving fjords Lasse and Leka
Re: Lice, Diagnosis, Treatment
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ivermectin can kill sucking lice I think..When did you last worm with Ivermectin? My understanding is that lice inhabit the mane area more, but I don't really know. Have you looked in his mane? JEan in Failrbanksk, Alaska, 4" fresh snow! >$30 worth of Tuttles Brute Insecticide from Valley Vet. I think Odin has >lice. He has clearly been biting at his flanksthe hair is worn off...in >patterns that almost have to be from bites. There is a bit of raw skin >under the hair...though he is not bare of hair anywhere except on one spot >on the loose skin in the corner of his flanks. That spot looks round, >almost like ringworm, but the exact location leads me to believe that it is >a spot where he could reach well enough to take all the hair off with his >teeth. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Felix - Ad
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Lori, Thanks for taking the time to send the link to the nicer image of Felix. When I saw the ad as it appeared in the Herald I was really amazed. Sally Webber & her husband Bill who print the Herald are professional printers & should have done a better job - they could have seen the problem by proofing it. Hope you got a re-run or a refund! Back to Felix: I L-O-V-E him! Ever since Pat imported him I have had to use my drool cup! My problem is, you probably guessed it, my mares* are out HERE & you are back THERE! Waaah! So, what is a mare to do? I have very little faith in AI. I wish the NFHR would do a study of how many shopments were made and what the resulting conception rate is...I personally feel its really hard to manipulate these fjord mares into concieving this way. What about you? Do you offer any type of multiple mare discount, say if I was able to ship 2 of mine and one or 2 others? Any plans to satnd felix in any other part of the country, say in Colorado? Just some ramblings from a fjord owner/breeder in the middle of nowheresville take care, Karen *I am considering breeding Alycia & Idelle. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Descendants
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lori and Stephan, thanks so much for the wonder addition to the NFHR web site. Besides being fun, it is very useful. We are currently snow-less and mud-full. Our arena, however, drains well, and so I am about to go out and exercise [should I really call it riding?] Sadie and His Majesty. I know they laugh across the fences about this... Bye for now - Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re: fungus
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Deb Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Use a 1 cc syringe also known as tubercullin syringes remove the needle. > [...] Or a pharmacist might let you have a feeding syringe. I like to use an "irrigation syringe", which I got from my small animal vet. It has a long, curved, molded-in tip (no needle), which is great for pulling liquids out of a tipped bottle. I used it for putting "strong iodine" (7%?) under pads on shod horses; it's also handy for medicating in cracks around the frog and in the hoof wall. Warning---use caution when BUYING strong iodine! There was an article in the Roseburg paper a while back about a guy who bought a gallon of it at the farm supply, because his vet told him to use it on his horse's hoof problem. However, since "veterinary iodine" is often used to make methamphetamine (sp?---illegal drug), the farm supply reports all purchases to the local drug-enforcement agency. Assorted law enforcement agencies paid an uninvited visit to this guy's place while he was out of town, rammed thru his locked gate, broke into and trashed his house (including his daughters' bedrooms, trampling many of their toys), ransacked his sheds, etc---then left everything open when they departed (after finding nothing)! Neighbors secured the house, caught the loose horses, repaired fences as best they could--- and wrote letters of outrage to the newspaper. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
ReYankee britching & Treasure Coast CDE Fjord cross
This message is from: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just returned from FL and although I dunmped most of my mail box I did scan some stuff. I use Yankee britching sometimes called hungarian britching in dressage and cones on my HRH Zilco Coaching harness and will experiment with it on marathon this spring. I like it very much as it frees up movement of hind end without sacrificing a straight rein back. It is only used for pairs. I was disappointed that there were no Fjords at Treasure Coast but there was a Fjord/Belgian cross mare and although she seemed like a stready driving pony in mu opinion neither breed brought anything worthwhile to the table where this cross was concerned. I'm told that her owner who clearly thinks the world of her (which is all that counts) thinks she may be a premarin foal which would make sense. She wasn't very tall but very big bodied and even though she is a Florida pony it was very hot and humid last weekend and the combo didn't help her. But in alll fairness there were quite a few very hot and tired horses. Section A was 9k which is unusually long for a lower level event in fact long for any event particularly one so early in the season. I was glad I was just spectating. Perhaps I will see some Fjords competing at Live Oak the end of March. The "girls" and I will be there. Vivian Creigh
On another subject...
This message is from: "Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A woman in the north of England has been corresponding with me, referred to me by who knows. She is intending to drive across the US, eventually to see her daughter in southern CA. She is of a retirement age, but has the spunk that sends the British adventuring all over the world. Her experience with horses has been riding over a lifetime, and some driving a while back. Peter von Halem, of New England Carriage Imports, has agreed to have a traveling wagon built for her, something hopefully light, with a canvas top, that she can sleep in the back of. I was pleased to have her come to our place in New Hampshire to do her fitting out and trial runs. She intends to arrive here in late March, and be ready to travel in early May. Her intended route will be across the northern US for much of the way. She is in no hurry and doesn't mind the idea of taking two years. She will be looking for a horse to buy. She hopes to keep the wagon light enough to pull with a single horse. She would like something, preferably a mare, 16 hands or under, sturdy and strong with a sensible temperament. A Percheron cross might be a good possibility. If anyone has a suggestion of a horse that isn't terribly far from here, she would appreciate knowing. She has corresponded with David Grant, who lives in Scotland, and had traveled with a horse around the whole earth. I think she pretty much has a good idea what she's getting into, and is eager to go. I hope she can meet some of you along the way. I asked her what an adventuring English woman takes with her on a trip. She said, pen and paper, and a radio that she can listen to classical music on the BBC. I will keep you posted. Camptown Dave
white caps for t-posts
This message is from: Bonnie Liermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Gayle: I have seen these caps for sale in various tack magazines that sell fencing. Valley Vet is one name that comes to mind. Also, if you have a Farm and Fleet around they carry them in white or black. I'm sure you'll be able to find a tack magazine with these in them. bonnie in Wi - it's supposed to be 40 tomorrow! yippee!!
more ski joering
This message is from: "Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I made a second go today, using one of our own horses, the particularly steady one. It went well in the sense that I didn't do what someone (Laurie?) described as a snow angel landing. I am prepared to accept the fact that this isn't as easy as seeing it on the video. I'm sure as the horses are more accustomed, that will help. The main issue, though is my limitation as a skier. I don't have a problem with the driving part, but my feet are further from my brain, and they need some guidance. Maybe this is why sleighs were invented. Camptown Dave
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #18
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/20/2002 6:33:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > . I understand (finally) that breeding white to white can > produce albino. And I also understand that albino is not considered > desirable. But, are there any drawbacks to albino other than style? I > know, for example, that when one breeds white collies to white collies, one > can get reproductive problems in the puppies. Are albino horses prone to > certain other ailments, or intrinsically weak, or actually ugly, or just > not > fit for show? > I would just like to remind everyone that there is no such thing as albinos in horses. An albino would be totally without pigment and would have pink irises in the eyes. There no horses like that. The horses that have been referred to as albinos are cremellos and perlinos. They have a double dilution of the creme gene which dilutes bay to buckskin and chestnut to palomino. They have blue eyes. I have two ponies that are cremellos. Their health is fine, they have no problems, their skin is only truly pink under their white markings, the rest of their skin is a pumpkin color. They do sometimes squint in bright sunshine, that is the only minor problem that I've had. If you do a search under all the white duns that are registered on the NFHR, there are at least a few white duns that had brown dun so there must be at least a few brown duns that carry the creme dilution gene. Tami
Re: fungus
This message is from: "Deb Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Use a 1 cc syringe also known as tubercullin syringes remove the needle. Syringes are available at the feed stores look for one with a tip the is pointy. Or a pharmacist might let you have a feeding syringe. there is a tip called "Luer lock" that the needles hook into that is broad. these are the kind you screw the needle into. sorry if this is to medical. I'm a nurse and hospitals have the neatest stuff to use. Debi Williams Williams Hill Fjords Waterford, Pa Home of Tolgar,Tanja, Rosie, Belle,Hilda and Beckett - Original Message - From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: Re: fungus > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Thanks Deb I printed out your info. It is a bit difficult to administer > these products as you must clean out the area and then lift the hoof up and > pour down to get it into the wall area. and not into the coronet. > > > > > > > Jean Walters Gayle > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] > http://users.techline.com/jgayle > Send $20 > Three Horses Press > PO Box 104 > Montesano, WA 98563
Re: fungus
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, Good luck with her! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: fungus
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Lynda, I have not approached my Vet as yet as only recently learned the seriousness of this problem. Totally healthy never sick mare and proves the point of "no hoof, no horse!"Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: fungus
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Carol I will try the archives. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: fungus
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Deb I printed out your info. It is a bit difficult to administer these products as you must clean out the area and then lift the hoof up and pour down to get it into the wall area. and not into the coronet. Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
paddock feeder
This message is from: "Ellen Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have two questions.First,I have a large Rohn galvanized paddock feeder (the kind with a large long hay rack on top and a large plastic feeding pan on each side).It probably weighs 300lb.,but my two fjords think that it is fun to tip it over.The ground is level and flat,but there must be one tiny bit of hay that they can't reach so they knock it over.It takes two of us to right it again.Any ideas on how to better secure this down yet still be safe for the beasties? I really like it.Second question (not about horses,sorry).Anyone suggest a vacuum cleaner when you let your dogs rule the house? I've been through about one a year.Only the 10 gallon shop vac has held up to dog hair,but it is a pain to push around the house.I have a weird house,mostly brick floors,little carpet and some tile.I'm thinking "leaf blower" but that probably would be rough in the kitchen and office. Thanks,Ellen and her poor,starving fjords Lasse and Leka
Lice, Diagnosis, Treatment
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I am looking for confirmation of my "medical opinion" before ordering about $30 worth of Tuttles Brute Insecticide from Valley Vet. I think Odin has lice. He has clearly been biting at his flanksthe hair is worn off...in patterns that almost have to be from bites. There is a bit of raw skin under the hair...though he is not bare of hair anywhere except on one spot on the loose skin in the corner of his flanks. That spot looks round, almost like ringworm, but the exact location leads me to believe that it is a spot where he could reach well enough to take all the hair off with his teeth. And the spot is not perfectly roundthere is hair in the middle. The thing that has me slightly confused is that he does not show signs of lice and irritation. I looked around for the lice themselves (without a comb, though) and found nothing. It does seem to me though that I saw a louselike critter on my coat after leaving Odin's pen a couple weeks ago...that matches the "yellow with brown bands" description of biting lice. There is nothing in the pen for them to rub on really, so it may be that he can only do himself damage on his flanks, where he can reach. Poor guy! My internet search is not absolutely definitive on the subject (cannot find a really detailed explanation that I would like) but it does appear to me that it is probably lice. I got some dust last night and treated his topline (and Gunthar's, who was in with him) as directed, but I am thinking I need to get something longer acting to really eradicate them. (It does not help that it is raining right now! I figure the Tuttle's Brute Insecticide (long acting, with the highest percentage of active ingredient) or the Repel 35 Bio Groom (slightly less of the active ingredient). These are, from what I can tell, "enhanced" biocides...have a chemical besides the pyrethrins found in the dust. The Brute is a wipeon, the other a spray on. I figure the wipeon is safer to all of our lungs. Opinions...before I break out the credit card and order? TIA Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ski Joering
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/21/2002 8:09:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > http://www.nasja.com Dave, thanks for enlighten us . Looks like you know how to have fun. We never stop learning what wonderful animals we have. (brave people to). Have you got enough snow now to see if your fjord will do some ski joring? The page and the links are great. Very good article on the Shakers. I enjoy it when anyone sends websites such as you have. Tillie Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud,Tillie & Amy Evers Redmond OR (541) 548-6018 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Sleigh/horse bells
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My husband is starting a small hobby business restoring old horse bells for people and selling vintage and new horse bells. Neck bells, body bells, rump bells, hame bells, saddle bells, swingers, shaft/pole chimes, etc. Almost too much! ;-) Anyway, on to my question: I am developing a website for him. One of my goals is to include photos or drawings that illustrate all the different ways that bells are used on a horse. And, of course, I'd prefer that the horses be Fjords as much as possible. Does anyone have photos of Fjords in harness with bells that I might use on the website? I will give full credit to the source of each photo. If you'd like, I will include contact information -- your website address and/or email would be especially nice, since people can then easily cruise to your website or email you directly. Thanks! DeeAnna
Re: fungus
This message is from: "Deb Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Jean, Try Fungidye. If it's white line disease. This is hard to find sometimes. Jeffers catalog carries it $9.00 for 2 oz, but you only use a few drops at a time. A friend has a Appy with hoof fungus problems and this works for her. Or try Thrush buster or any of the copper napthenate containing products. The last 2 should be avail at tack and feed stores or catalogs Debi Williams Williams Hill Fjords Waterford, Pa Home of Tolgar,Tanja, Rosie, Belle,Hilda and Beckett - Original Message - From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "fjord" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 11:57 PM > . > Has anyone ever treated hoof fungus in their horse? .
Ski Joering
This message is from: "Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was directed this morning to the North American Ski Joring Association, based in Montana. Apparently there is a racing circuit. Their website is: http://www.nasja.com/ There are some wild yahoo pictures there, skiiers with air! It looks like the racing is all done with riders steering the horses. It must be fun to watch. Saturday we had a great time down at Jeff Morse's party. Laurie Neely and I used his horse to launch this form of folly. His choice of horse was his 23 year old Morgan, a gelding whose eye said he'd seen just about everything. I kidded Jeff about giving us his geriatric horse, to keep us out of trouble. Garmisch stood well for us to hitch and adjust. The equipment consists of a saddle, breast plate and rods going back to the skier, with a bar across the back with two vertical rods that swivel back and forth. They have the lines attached. Your steering is essentially the same as a bulldozer! I started off at a walk, which was dead simple. When I went to a trot, I learned Jeff's horse still had some real life in him, and wanted to go faster than my skiing ability might allow at this point. He was throwing his legs out like a racehorse, for a big stride-y trot. One benefit of the equipment, we realized, is that if you fall and the horse is free, the handle drops and effectively pulls the horse in, or so it looks. Laurie soon was on the back, and drove him also on her own. She was totally successful, but realized she needed shorter skis to go faster safely. All the time we were doing this, the snow was falling in the late afternoon. It was an altogether lovely day. Jeff took some pictures and posted them on his website. Go to: http://www.green.meads.com/default.htm Click on the ski-joering link below the picture I'm home today and about to go out and see how it goes with Fjord horses. I'd like to believe they are genetically predisposed to do this work.
harness
This message is from: "Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Kathleen I am familiar with the Yankee breeching, although I have never seen any in New England Yankee territory! I have seen it occasionally further west. It is a reasonable design for a draft harness, and may have two benefits. It is possible a horse could hold back a heavier load with this design. And it is possible that for a harness used for a lot of distance, and trotting, it might produce less fur wear than a conventional breeching, which bounces up and down more. Of the two, that would be more interesting to me. But I haven't had occasion to make a harness with it. Maybe some day. Not a high priority. It is also interesting to me that where the harnessmaker wants strength, he is incorporating Biothane. To take the logic further, you eliminate the leather! The benefit with a "heavy harness", a work harness, is that it is in fact no longer heavy when you use more synthetics. My veterinarian is 5'6', and has a pair of tall Belgians. Before he got a Camptown Harness, he needed a second person to help harness them, because he couldn't lift the harness onto them by himself. His new harness, while lighter, is actually stronger, and he can put it on the horses with no help. I might note that while we continue to make work harness of Biothane, almost all of the carriage harness we make is of Beta and similar appearing materials. Beta, almost as tough as Biothane, is nicer looking and nicer feeling to the hand, and a closer approximation of leather. Both are made by the same company. What I have come to see also, in the comparison of leather and Beta, is that a harness of Beta will look better than a similar harness of leather, if used regularly, one year or five years later. I sold a harness this last week to a woman who has a Morong harness she paid $2800 for. It is a nice harness, and I like Bill Morong's work. But with the cost, she doesn't want to put the wear and tear on it. I have heard this story numbers of times. She will pay under $700 for the Camptown Harness, can use it anywhere, any time, and in a year it will look just as good. She had reasoned this through without my help. I don't question the price of these high line leather harnesses. But people make an assumption that price with the wide variation of price, there must be compromises in the harness we produce. In fact there are fewer differences than you would think. We all use the same thread. We can or do get leather from the same suppliers. The much of the hardware is usually the same. What you have, in an analogy of marketing of cars, is a difference between a Toyota and a Jaguar. There is room for both. Toyotas are more reliable and cost less. The dashboard in the Jags is (or used to be) real walnut instead of plastic. I drive a Toyota. I don't mean to detract from those fine leather harnesses. They are made by careful experienced craftsmen who do beautiful work. I admire some of the fine details in the Morong and Hunt harnesses, some of which wouldn't even be noticed outside the trade. Theirs is low volume fussy work, and they do it well. They sell to a different market. And some people just like leather. That's okay. There are fewer than there used to be. Fifteen years ago there were fewer choices. Now the synthetic harness has developed to where it is clearly the best choice for all around use, and it is rightly where the growth is in the harness market. Jean Ernest mentioned Barb Lee of Nearside Harness. If this posting is an ad, I'll advertise for her! She is a skilled harnessmaker who makes nice harness, very similar to ours. She used to make leather harness too, but no longer does, now concentrating on synthetics. Fitting of harness. I believe in the last year more of our harness shipped to California than anywhere else. If we ship a part that doesn't fit, we get a new measurement, and replace it to get it right. Dave http://www.horseharness.com
Re: Thank You and working with an Animal Communicator
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The consideration of bits, animal communicators, sensitive hips, etc. are all well and good, but in my not so humble opinion = some horses just like to buck. Observe groupings of young horses as they play out their daily lives and you will note that some will naturally buck more than others, some not at all. It can be a "feeling good" expression (their idea of a joy dance?) or, I had other plans-- a no-way statement. Whatever the case, it is an established response that may reoccur given the right inspiration or provocation. We can learn an awfully lot about an individual horse by observing their interaction with other horses on a day by day basis. I personally wouldn't take the risk on a horse that is predisposed to bucking. Ruthie, nw mt > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dear Fjord Digest Friends- ... surprised when he began to > buck! Luckily, I stayed in the saddle. I owe God and my new Big Horn saddle > a huge thanks! If I had been in my dressage saddle I'm not sure how well I > would have made out. Bucking is a problem for Patrick
Re: descendants report
This message is from: "briar hill farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Announcing a brand new feature on the NFHR Pedigree Site! > > We now have a "Descendants" report -- this will show all the descendants of > a horse and their descendants and their descendants and so on. Wow! Great work! Thanks Lori! > Warning: this is really fun to play with, so don't blame me if you don't get > any work done today :-) Even with the warning, I got totally involved. Question: for you and Mike. Why does the pedigree site and NFHR papers list premiums from other countries, but do not record premiums from US Evaluations on the pedigree? I know its not true, but it looks as if we take Norwegian, Dutch, German and Danish results more seriously and give them more importance than our own. Marcy Briar Hill Farm http://briarhillfarm.com
Descendants!
This message is from: "Foxfire Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Great job on the Descendants. This is abdolutely fabulous...seeing what horses have so much influence on our horses breeding! KING HARALD 101-A has a total of 1814 descendants. Now what is that percentange. Lori and Stefan, Thank you for this work. It is fast and easy to "play" with and really useful. Good job! Betsy & Jer Patryjak Foxfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://foxfirefjords.homestead.com/
Thank You and working with an Animal Communicator
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Fjord Digest Friends- I've been focusing on all the suggestions and help I've received in relation to working with my Patrick. You've all been so helpful! I am going to change Patrick's bit from the Dr. Bristol to a nicer snaffle. Also, I'll be working on our communication with the bit and working with Patrick to give to the bit. I took a lesson with Patrick last week and was surprised when he began to buck! Luckily, I stayed in the saddle. I owe God and my new Big Horn saddle a huge thanks! If I had been in my dressage saddle I'm not sure how well I would have made out. Bucking is a problem for Patrick In the 5 years we've owned him he has bucked 6-7 times. The first 5 bucks were at my daughter's expense. Now, she won't ride. When I got off Patrick, after this bucking episode, the instructor got on and rode him... He too experienced Patrick's buck. Now, for the rest of the story I was so upset with Patrick I considered selling him. Then, I realized the mistakes I've made and that he is still young and needs more time given to him. So, I am hoping to send him out for some intensive driving training, since my main focus is driving. Also, I decided to phone an Animal Communicator, but was a bit skeptical until I spoke to her! It was amazing what she said Patrick was communicating to her! Patrick told her about his problems in his rear right hip and that he had experienced some tracking problems YES! He has! Patrick also told her I was very off center in my ride the day he bucked me and I kept leaning to the right. YES! I was! My saddle was off center and leaning to the left... I asked my instructor if I could get down and adjust it, but he said not to bother and just keep putting more weight into my right stirrup to center it. I was off center the entire ride Patrick told this woman everything! It was amazing. Patrick also apologized to Maggie, my daughter. He mentioned he has some problems with people who sit deep into the saddle, it hurts his back... Maggie was trained to sit very deep into her saddle when she began a canter Patrick bucked her at the beginning of a canter! Anyway, now Maggie wants to begin spending more time with Patrick and I am going to set up a schedule that will work for him Better stop here! I'm writing too much! Thanks again friends!
Request from Norwegian fjord fan
This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello everybody! After the Turlock article was published, I got this email from a girl named Ida: Hei hei, jeg ser du bor i USA og dit skal jeg kanskj til sommeren. Lurte pa om du derfor kunne sende meg en mail om ridesentere gjerne fjordinger i los angeles eller i narheten der, da ville jeg ha blitt veldig glad. Kan du sende mailen pa [EMAIL PROTECTED] mvh Ida She is saying: Hi, I see that you live in the US and I might be going there this summer. I was wondering if you could send me some information about riding centers and/or fjord horse barns in LA or surroundings. I would really appreciate that. Please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have no idea if she is planning a "riding vacation" or if she is going there and just wants to see some horses on her way... I will ask her. But if any of you fjord people down around LA want a Norwegian visitor this summer, let me know (or write her directly). Dagrun
pound sand
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/19/02 5:24:52 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Re: the bit warmer. I have a "hand warmer" that is a sack of sand or something that you can heat in the microwave. >> I'll bet its rice, not sand. People make them with uncooked rice in a cotton holder, and heat in microwave for those cold bits. Lisa
early foal stories
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/19/02 5:24:52 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << As a mare owner I feel very fortunate that I can select the proper stallion for my mares from a wide selection of deserving candidates. In this day and age no one needs to be stuck with the stallion down the road, unless he is the perfect fit for their mare. I'll be anxious to see your Samstein foal and your Hostar foal!, they are two I have appreciated for a long time. Our Stein filly was lovely and it was a pleasure to see her again this year at Libby as a yearling growing more beautiful all the time. Kathleen Rollins >> Thanks Kathleen ! Our Samstein baby was already born on July 1, early in the morning when we were out of town competing at a CDE. My housesitter " found " her standing in the paddock with mom and her " Aunt Linnea " who shared motherly duties the whole time they were all together. ( not recomended ) PF Ursula was born 17 days early , just so you dont all think Im a bad mom who leaves town with foals due ! She is a real looker, and staying here for the long haul ! Interestingly, the mare next to the other paddock, who was due to foal in 15 days ( I was comming home to do 2 + weeks of non-stop foal watch, REALLY ) took 1/2 a day to see this new beauty, and laid down and foaled the same evening around 10 PM, with a crew of people watching, who had stabled overnight on their way home from the same CDE, and had come over to see the new filly. Sono foal watch for me last summer, with both born 2 weeks early, and a beautiful colt, PF Oslo same night, July 1. I just know that this year, Im gonna get pay back for all the unused time NOT spent staring at PG mares ! Hostar foal is due this spring, out of Anvils Linnea. Cant wait ! Lisa
Re: fungus
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, I remember hearing someone treating thrush with clorax a few years ago and asked both our equine vet and farrier about it. They said absolutely NOT, that clorax will actually eat the tissue away, therefore causing an even greater problem. Has your vet figured out what sort of fungus this is? Hope this helps! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: fungus
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean, Try the archives. The only thing I have had to look out for is thrush. When it is so muddy and she is in the wet all the time, I clean her feet real good and spray on iodine once a week. So far I have been lucky. Jean Gayle wrote: > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have had such great luck with answers from this list will try one more. > Has anyone ever treated hoof fungus in their horse? My mare has been > struggling with this for almost a year and each time the pruned area is > larger. I put chlorox on it two or three times a week, no luck. Lots of > rain and mud doesn't help. I keep thinking of what might work and poured > lighter fluid on once Did not light it though. They say if you do not > stop it it can deteriorate the whole hoof wall. The entire wall is > sometimes removed to stop it and then stall treatment until it grows back. > > Jean Walters Gayle > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] > http://users.techline.com/jgayle > Send $20 > Three Horses Press > PO Box 104 > Montesano, WA 98563 -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
fungus
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have had such great luck with answers from this list will try one more. Has anyone ever treated hoof fungus in their horse? My mare has been struggling with this for almost a year and each time the pruned area is larger. I put chlorox on it two or three times a week, no luck. Lots of rain and mud doesn't help. I keep thinking of what might work and poured lighter fluid on once Did not light it though. They say if you do not stop it it can deteriorate the whole hoof wall. The entire wall is sometimes removed to stop it and then stall treatment until it grows back. Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
