Re: Earned Bragging Rights....LONG
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ursula, I am s happy for you and know the thrill and excitement that go with what you and Raynor have done. Kudos and many more. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: foal scours
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/25/2002 10:05:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kez is now 14 months old and doing great. He is still with Beth and Sandy at Starfire and will be for another year. I can't give him the pasture and playmates he has there. He is as tall as the other yearlings and has lost much of the pot belly he had. He can hold his own with the other youngsters and shows few signs of the start he had. You have done a wonderful job with that baby. And are continuing by letting him be a horse with other horses at a barn where there is talent. Many people would not have done nearly as good a job as you have. I bet he's going to be a spectacular horse for you. Pamela
missing lists.
This message is from: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] It seems I'm missing some posts too...is there a problem SteveI get the Digest version and some just come in (none)..there were 5 in today's volume... I understand Taffy Mercer wrote about the wonderful time she had at her driving vacation here a few weeks ago...the detail in that post could be of interest to people who may be considering a weekend for next year...hmmm.. It's in the archives under 'driving weekend'... Ursula Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
Earned Bragging Rights....LONG
This message is from: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those of you who remember my big disappointments in Libby last year when my stallion Penfrydd's Raynor became ill, may be happy to learn that he has more than made up for it and we have been vindicatedread on... We attended one of the Pacific Rim CDE's here in Pritchard (The Ranch) last weekend...There were 21 competitors in mostly Training and Preliminary levels. ADS Judge Gail Jones who officiated at the Georgia International was our Judge. Since this was only P.Raynor's second CDE and it is breeding season, I entered him in Training... Brian took the 4-in-hand and did Preliminary. I went without a gator in hopes that I could find a volunteer for the marathon. Brian had two very (green) groom/gators to help him. The weather was glorious and the venue spectacular. Saturday was Dressage day and I worried that Raynor would be over-stimulated with all the horses around so took him out with plenty of time to warm-up OR smoke him outwhateverAs it turned out his time in the sun had somehow mellowed him and the solid workout the day before had taken some edge off himor...he is maturing and learning.(what a concept) I never have to worry about having 'Forward' with Raynor but the Walk and esp. the FreeWalk on a Long Rein can be a problemof course at home he does a lovely lengthened walk and the quality of his gaits are good...he bends well on the circles and all is wellI tend to have to work real hard to get the same results away from home.at any rate During the warm-up I'm amazed at how relaxed he was I had 'forward', there was some 'Screaming' at the girlies but all in all he was being a good boy...hmmmmaybe I would luck out...unless of course, I had a senior moment and forget the patternanything can happen I drove the test and felt in my heart that it was pretty good..he was obedient, forward, subtle, and my gosh, I even had a lengthened free walk...WOW, I'm happy... Of course I'm at the mercy of the judge and what SHE thinks and seesshe's tough and she doesn't give marks away I'm told laterwe will seeas I'm leaving and after the final salute she stands up and tells me...Excellent testnow I'm getting hopeful...I'm grinning ear to ear Since this is only a two day event they run the Cones course right after the Dressage testa great service to drivers since you don't have to untack and clean harness after a marathonone can stay in the 'dress-up' clothes and get it all over and done with in one day I'm not fond of 'Cones' and tend to lose my way or have little brain farts...but I'm riding on a high so 'what the Hay..I had walked the course 3 times the day before and had visualized while going off to sleepit was a tight 19 gate course with an L and two complete switch-backs and 3 gates where you could not see the numbers.. My strategy was to go steady, quiet and calm clean...so as not to get Raynor excited by transmitting anxiety thru the linesHe was GREAT...we had no time faults and only 1 ball down.(5 penalties)...this was our first introduction to FEI style cones and they are angled so it is sometimes hard to see the base of the cone..anything could happen By the end of the day we had the scores for Dressage and Cones postedwhen I walked into the 'Saloon' everyone was very quiet and waited for me to look at my scores..OH MY GAWD! I couldn't believe my eyes...my score was 29.4 and I was 1st OVERALL never mind just my divisionI had to stifle a screeech and just said a very composed 'WOW'.everyone cheered and joked and said IS THAT ALL YOU'RE GOING TO SAY ? ..WITH A DRESSAGE SCORE OF 24.4 ? Then I realized that I had seen only the final score with the cones penalty counted in and that my actual Dressage score was 24.5I could not believe it...my weekend was complete...'It Don't Get No Better Than That ...BABY'...I could die a happy person. I'm not all that fond of the marathon but consider the dressage score a reward for the training that has been done and the feedback comments from the test a way of gauging where work needs to be done in the future...I couldn't wait to get my sheets to see the comments and individual scores. But the Marathon was the next day and the course walk was nextlast year I had gone thru 2 gates backwards in the obstacles in section E but recovered and did them right each gate cost me 20 points (40 in all) I knew it could happen again...brain farts, blonde moments, senior moments...call it whatever... We walked the coarse and the Obstacles twice and I again did the visualization before going off to sleep that night... I had a volunteer who seemed keen and competent and I had little to worry about... we prayed for a cooler day for the sake of the horses Sunday morning was clear and sunny and by 10 am we were OFF. Section A was fast. Raynor was keen and we had to walk in to make our minimum
Re: AI SURVEY...YES!
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Further to this...I thought the list might be interested to know that my plan for Romulus is AI-only...even on my own mares living on the same facility, so I have a great interest in knowing more about AI in FJords. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
West Nile/Ultrasounds
This message is from: Robert Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] My first time to respond to the list, have responded to some individuals. So here goes: 1. We also were encouraged to vaccinate for W. N. We live in a low area in the Helena Valley with the mosquitos, we vaccinated all six Fjords, one old QH gelding, and my mustang gelding. No problems, I thought they looked a little lethargic after the first one, but no one went off feed, or really had any significant problem. 2. We ultrasounded several years ago -- our Petra mare stood with us and watched the monitor with her ears up and very interested... 3. Saddles, the Arabian trail saddle will sometimes fit; I've had good luck with the old '50's styles western saddles, broad and flat. 4. We have one filly that does not gain a lot of weight either, but she is tall, always has been for her age, and by my rudimentary measuring, she still has a hand to grow. She is now 3, so she gets light work, she drives and is beginning to carry a rider. We work and are still cleaning up an old farm that we bought in a moment of senior senility about 5 yrs ago. Light work fairly accurately describes our situation. 5. I'm glad to hear of new horse and Fjord owners using trainers. It is so easy to mess up a horse and have to undo it takes forever. Everyone seems to be very well read and intent on doing the right thing. Don't forget to just hug'em, they are very much like children. Enough rambling. From Helena, MT where we have actually had RAIN..we were looking at a very dry year, and IT RAINED over most of MT. amen amen Bonnie at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AI SURVEY...YES!
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] The anecdotal evidence I have heard is that AI does not work well in Fjords. It certainly would be nice to see a survey (or do one on the listas I bet people who have AI are also highly computer literate.) Alternatively, I suppose we could harvest the e-mail addresses of Fjord people off the NFHR site, and the lists and then try to do a broadcast e-mail of a well-designed questionaire. Anyone have access to another breed registry's questionaire. However, the results may need to be corrected based on a survey of who is actually DOING AI in FJords. There are lots of Fjord folks in rural situations, without the best vet coverage (or where getting the best coverage means paying for a lot of farm calls). I have considered breeding Romulus to my mare (he is in CO, mare in CA) via shipped cooled semenbut have held off because I figure it would cost a fortune in vet fees. I had another mare (not Fjord) in AZ at a great breeding facility where the farm calls and ultrasounds were CHEAP and done by vets who do reproductive work only. I even considered hauling the mare to AZ! Gail Realistically, it might be helpful if the NFHR conducted a survey on Fjord breeding. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
West Nile
This message is from: Cheryl Gioia [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have had my four vaccinated.Absolutely no reactions whatsoever in any of them.I would rather deal with a reaction from the shot that the West Nile itself. Cheryl Gioia Elizabeth,Co
Au Natural breeding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/24/02 9:01:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello everyone. I just wanted to add my two cents worth about letting stallions run with mares. I would never, never risk it! I know it works for some people, and it might seem the natural way to go, and the mares will teach the stallion manners, but is it really worth risking an injury to the stallion, or even death, as happened to one of our listers a few years ago? At OHF all breeding is done by hand, and mares are hobbled to prevent the stallion from being kicked. On another note, is anyone vaccinating for West NIle Virus? Any problems with the vaccine? Our state is urging horse owners to vaccinate for it, but I know the vaccine is very new and I am cautious. Julie at Old Hickory Farm, upstate New York Hi Julie, Thanks for speaking out on this subject. I have had this conversation with a lot of 'newcomers', shall we say. I've listened to all of the 'dialog' about the NATURAL way and that that is the way they do it in the wild, etc. However, the 'natural' way is also for many of the less fortunate stallions to end up LUNCH for some mountain lion!! Walter Farley (author of the Black Stallion books) left out that part! LOL! It is a lot more 'labor intensive' to hand tease, hand breed, etc., for the stallion owners, but it is also a LOT SAFER for both mare and stallion! We are absolutely married to these mares during breeding season, but I have always been too CHICKEN to 'let them do what comes naturally.' I once had to put down a stallion for his owner who was out of town at the time. A mare had absolutely SHATTERED a hind leg. It was MUSH! NOT a pretty sight. Made a believer out of me that hand breeding was the way to go. We hobble front and back. My breeding hobbles allow the mare to step, one foot at a time so she can steady herself, but will not allow two feet to move in a kicking motion. Has saved us a ton of grief and I've never had a mare get hurt. My hubby built a dandy breeding chute in MT. which was ever so helpful. That prevented the mare from moving around too much. We have not had the time to reconstruct one since moving here, but we breed in a corner with the mare tied up and that works well too. Sometimes maiden mares will be frightened with the process of the stallion mounting and sometimes they are just plain NASTY. Out in the 'wild', I doubt that these mares would ever be covered or conceive. Very often, once they have been covered, these scared mares will get over that. We had one mare last year that was absolutely ferocious, but ultrasound showed she was ready to conceive! We tranquilized her, hobbled front and back, AND twitched her. She still screamed like a banshee and kicked like a mule! Fortunately, Dusty is very good at hitting those 'moving targets'. I told her owner that one shot was all she got! She did conceive and has a cute filly by her side. That same mare came back this spring for our young stallion. She was supposed to be in heat when she arrived. I asked the owner to help me tease her so that I could see whether her attitude had changed. NOT! Same thing - biting, striking, screaming! When the vet arrived the next morning for ultrasound, this mare had a 50 mm follicle and was ready to ovulate within the next few hours. We got lucky! With mares like this, AI is the only way to safely breed them. We just happened to have another mare in heat with a 40 mm follicle so we collected Johan and inseminated both mares. WAY COOL! Regarding West Nile Virus, our vets will begin vaccinating this fall. It is not here yet, but they tell me it is only a matter of time. I don't know much about the vaccine except that it is being produced under a 'conditional' type license. My thinking is that it has to be better than nothing at all. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
west Nile virus vaccine
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We live in middle Connecticut and 2 horses in the next town died last summer from WNV. Some people around here vaccinated in the fall, and I did it for our yearling Fjord and older Morgan in March. It is a 2 part shot = 2 vet visits. We did not have any reaction to it. Since the vet was coming twice, he broke up all the shots into 2 visits; there are getting to be so many of them. I have heard the WNV is safe, but the effectiveness of it is what is in question. The EPM vaccine is the one that is really in question as to its effectiveness, because that is fighting a parasite. Valerie
Camptown Harness - work harness
This message is from: David McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Taffy You might see if Gail Russell still has her Camptown work harness. She said she intended to sell it, so if she hasn't sold it yet, it is one that would likely fit your horse. If it's gone, we can make you a new one. Dave
West Nile vaccine
This message is from: David McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before giving the West Nile Vaccine, I consulted with a veterinarian I know who is in touch with horse vets all over the country. She made the point that the type of vaccine it is, is similar to other virus vaccines which work well, and from what she has heard in areas that have a lot of West Nile, that the horses which have been vaccinated have been free of the disease. On her advice, which I considered conservative, I got the shots for my horses. We are seeing a small amount of WNV evidence in my state, and more in other states where some of the horses will be this year. Dave
Regumate/AI
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been lurking on the list for about 18 months, but wanted to add my comments on the subject of Regumate and AI, given my recent experiences breeding. Regumate works well. Last summer I had a warmblood mare reabsorb due to low progesterone levels. She ultrasounded with an embryo at 18 days, but lost it by the second ultrasound. We were able to catch her again with AI and have kept her on Regumate ever since. She is due in mid July and she is still on Regumate because her progesterone is only borderline without it. Liquid Regumate is expensive -- figure on $1,000 for the entire course of the pregnancy, if you have to go that long, and it challenging to handle. You have to wear gloves to prevent getting the liquid on your own skin. The shots are easier but they require careful monitoring of the mare. I don't know how much cheaper it might be, but IMHO it's something for the truly organized breeder. The AI subject is near and dear to my heart, unfortunately. Over the last two seasons, I have tried to breed 3 mares via AI. I've bred them a total of 11 times and so far have only vet bills, Fed Ex bills, and collection fees to show for it -- thousands of dollars of bills, I might add. I am having one mare ultrasounded tomorrow, so technically I have only have 10 failures. However, I am not expecting anything but having 11 failures tomorrow. My vet and I have been at our wits' end trying to figure out why this isn't working. He does lots of successful AI on all breeds of horses. He caught my warmblood mare twice last summer with AI. The 3 mares are of varying ages and experiences as a broodmare, but they all cultured clean and they all have ovulated at about 40 - 45 with semen in them. Two of these mares had foals last year as a result of live cover. Statistically, at least one of them should have caught in this many tries. The stallion owner has been wonderful to work with. The semen looks good. This is one of the best Fjord stallions in the country and he has had success with AI. If any list member is interested in a discounted stud fee to a marvelous stallion, let me know because I am selling my breedings. Realistically, it might be helpful if the NFHR conducted a survey on Fjord breeding. The American Hanoverian Society recently published the results of a survey on breeding that was very informative. They do lots of AI and the results are generally quite good. My negative experience with AI and Fjords may be purely anecdotal. I certainly would hate to have anyone discouraged from trying AI based on my experience. The only way we are going to figure out if Fjords do well with AI is to survey a large sample of people breeding Fjords. I think a survey would help all of us, whether we are breeders or owners, figure out how effective AI is for this breed. What does everyone else think? Margaret Bogie Ironwood Farm Rixeyville, VA
Re: Exterra and sarcoids
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Gayle re your descriptions. Charley's area is now red and bare looking. Hard to believe after seven days and four treatments it could have sloughed off so quickly. Have two thirds more to go in the groin and inner thigh. This is good stuff, does cause considerable irritation but no systemic reaction. Thank God! Good luck on the biopsy. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: hobbles and AI
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Say, all you breeders. When I bred my mare the second time she was cared for by a breeder in Wa. State whose Vet always used hormone shots to bring the mare in and said this way it was a sure thing and it was. I do not hear anyone here using shots? Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
follicles
This message is from: Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julie Wills wrote: I don't know what size follicles other breeds generally have (Steve???) but we have reports that ovulation occurred on a 50 to 55, and in one case a 60 mm follicle on some of the mares we have shipped to. Julie - In my experience in breeding the AQHA and APHA. The AQHA and APHA breeds tend to drop follicles anywhere from 25 to 45 mm. One reason why Vets have had a problem with the Fjords. They don't wait for the Fjord Follicle to get larger. (Some vets actually do not believe me when I say they can get to 50 - 55 - 60 mm.) Can you get someone at Cornell Research to write an article on larger follicles in Fjords? Thanks for your input of knowledge. Catherine Lassesen Only breeding Fjords now...
Re: Ultrasounds (used to be stallions and mares...)
This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snowy Mtn. wrote: About progesteron I am glad you asked that question. I should probably have Nicolena tested as she reabsorbed last year. I totally love her foals. How often are you supposed to give the hormone shots? Lauren I've heard monthly compared to the daily paste version. There's got to be a reason why more people do the paste though. I wonder if the shot is oil based? Or is reactive some way. Mark - Original Message - From: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] When do you have yours ultrasounded (what day?). My Vet doesn't have an Also wondering if anyone has had to use progesterone (Regumate)? I'm going to be testing one of my horses that reabsorbed last year, for low progesterone levels and checked into the price of the Regumate and the smallest amount I can get locally would be enough to do 6 horses (and would cost $250)!! I didn't ask about the long lasting hormone shot prices. Has anyone out there used them? Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Washburn, WI
Fw: 2 yr old filly for sale
This message is from: Philis Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Philis Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fjordhorse Digest fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: 2 yr old filly for sale For Sale: SAWTOOTH MOUNTAIN ANNA LISA: Two year old filly out of Rokida's Karina (my best driving mare, you know, the one that got stuck in the swamp and sat down in the cart like a dog) and by Claylee's Kaspar. This filly has been imprinted, she ties in a tie stall ( all night if necessary), leads, ponies with another horse and rider or next to mom in the cart. She goes through water and on trails, is used to a saddle, bit and harness with crupper, started ground driving. Good for vet work and farrier. Anna Lisa moves well, is a pretty horse with a sweet disposition. She's a brown dun, stands 13-3 hands and is growing. (her mother is 14-3) Asking $3500.00 Philis Anderson Sawtooth Mountain Fjords Grand Marais, MN 218-387-2733 or e-mail me
Re: Line driving fun day
This message is from: The Mercers [EMAIL PROTECTED] This sounds like a ball! Is there anyone in the Washington State area who is interested in doing this? I live outside Kennewick in south central Washington. Taffy
Re: foal scours
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a book called Veterinary Guide to Horse Breeding, I bought it when Katrina was in foal. As most of you know Katrina died in labor and my vet saved her colt by doing a c-section. The book says foal scours are caused by the foal eating manure and nibbling on hay and grain and not to use anything but Vaseline to prevent scalding. Keswick had diarrhea for 2 days at around 10 days old, as an orphan and being hand fed it could not have possible had anything to do with the his mothers food intake or her heat cycle. The book also says that some times a foal will get scours from consuming more milk than it can absorb it occurs in foals whose mothers are heavy milk producers. Another cause of scours is a temporary lactase deficiency which can cause carbohydrate intolerance. Probably more than you ever wanted to know about scours but there it is. Kez is now 14 months old and doing great. He is still with Beth and Sandy at Starfire and will be for another year. I can't give him the pasture and playmates he has there. He is as tall as the other yearlings and has lost much of the pot belly he had. He can hold his own with the other youngsters and shows few signs of the start he had. Heather, my 4 year old mare is also at Starfire for training so my barn is very quiet this summer with only my mustang Mahogany and 2 goats in residence. Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM
Exterra and sarcoids
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/24/02 9:01:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I used the xxterra four days and the sarcoids are a mess. Hi Jean, I used this last year. I teased the vet that it was 'toxic sludge' from Hanford! LOL! It caused swelling and discomfort right away. I followed the directions and it did exactly as you have described. After 3 weeks, the 'glump' was looking awfully nasty, but fell off while the horse was 'out for recess'. The exposed tissue was red and angry looking, but did heal over nicely. Only problem is that there is still a lump underneath the skin. The sarcoid had been treated previously with 2 shots of Regressin before I bought the horse. Now that breeding season is winding down, I'll have the vet out to decide what to do about this lump. Think they'll do a biopsy to find out whether it is scar tissue or still sarcoid. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
hobbles and AI
This message is from: Julie Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] We use a very expensive pair of professional hobbles, and have yet to find a FJORD mare that objected, or fought them. (I wouldn't want to be breeding Arabs, or many other of the hotter breeds.)The cheap hobbles that I bought a couple of years ago didn't work...the panic snaps popped open when the mare offered to kick. The new ones also have panic snaps, but they are heavy duty and the cord that runs to the ring under the chest has just a little stretch. We always tease the mare and be sure she is very interested before even attempting breeding. And we ultrasound at 14 to 16 days. I have heard several people say that they heard AI with Fjords is difficult because Fjords are somehow different. Our AI experiences have been very positive. I don't know what size follicles other breeds generally have (Steve???) but we have reports that ovulation occurred on a 50 to 55, and in one case a 60 mm follicle on some of the mares we have shipped to. Timing is everything with AI. I prefer shipping to mares that are under full vet care, being ultrasounded daily, or even twice a day. The vet at Cornell Research Park, where we go for collection and shipment, recently told me that it is best to just dose the mare once, as the sperm live much longer in the mare than in the shipping container. He quoted a recent study showing a higher conception rate this way. We sometimes have people ask us for 2 doses, thinking they will inseminate on two days, but this is not the best way. The sun is still shining, here in upstate New York, and we are getting some good hay in! Julie at Old Hickory Farm
Re: foal scours
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/24/2002 6:46:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about mares that don't get ANY grain? My family has raised horses all my life, and I think about every foal we've ever raised has scoured in some degree during foal heat, whether Mom was on grain hay, just hay or pasture. We have found over the years that Kaopectate seems to work better than Pepto for cleaning up the scours, and a warm washing followed by a lite coating of Vaseline keeps the burning hair loss to a minimum. We started giving probiotics. Were a little late, you're supposed to do it the day they are born, then at day 4 to prevent. I forgot and gave her her first dose on the 4th day. She had only a very very light case of scours. And is such an angel about letting me clean her up. :) Pamela
Re: Ultrasounds (used to be stallions and mares...)
This message is from: Snowy Mtn. [EMAIL PROTECTED] About Ultrasounding with a experienced vet and a newer machine, they can tell at 14 days now.I know my vet could only tell at 18 days last year with an older machine. I think it is wonderful. About progesteron I am glad you asked that question. I should probably have Nicolena tested as she reabsorbed last year. I totally love her foals. How often are you supposed to give the hormone shots? Lauren - Original Message - From: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] When do you have yours ultrasounded (what day?). My Vet doesn't have an Also wondering if anyone has had to use progesterone (Regumate)? I'm going to be testing one of my horses that reabsorbed last year, for low progesterone levels and checked into the price of the Regumate and the smallest amount I can get locally would be enough to do 6 horses (and would cost $250)!! I didn't ask about the long lasting hormone shot prices. Has anyone out there used them? Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Washburn, WI
Re: stallions, splints, driving, Kay
This message is from: Hope Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our neighbor runs his stallion with the mares all year. Rono has been kicked so much by the mares he is now crippled. Rono is a good boy and gentle with mares and people all the time and during breeding, it is kind of pitiful. Nice foundation bred quarter horse with a ROM in reining, used to be fun to ride, could even long line him with a kid up top in the barn. I learned to ride Western on the appy stallion AppleJack, he was older and trained tons, used to do circus tricks at the Santa Cruz Cty Fair. Riderless, he could be used like a border collie, would cut calves out from the herd. On my list of most amazing horses. Thor does not have splints, all kinds of arthritis, well used older boy, but no splints. We went on a road ride Sunday with the club, used the cart. Lots of fun, some good challenges for me, he was afraid of the big wagon pulled by the clydes, but not the forecart pulled by the team of percherons. Some of the riders' horses were afraid of the cart. Plus we had some traffic to deal with, bridges, dogs. Good for me as a beginner, it was the longest I've driven yet, 6.5 miles. What a newbie. Thor is much quieter out by himself than with a large group of horses, something else to deal with. We did best behind the Clydes and the skittish horses, found a sweet mare to establish a pace with. The cart is well balanced, it seemed to me that I could influence his pace by sitting the cart as if I were riding, is this true, is this something people use while driving? Little Kay is back from navel surgery, very healthy, has 5 days of shots to go thru, is very forgiving about the whole thing. May everyone have a nice ride with no bugs and a good breeze. Jon Hope N IL
Ultrasounds (used to be stallions and mares...)
This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snowy Mtn. wrote: I have taken to spending the money to having all mares ultrasounded. Now, I don't have to take the chance with flirtatous mares that are already pregnant. Hi Lauren- When do you have yours ultrasounded (what day?). My Vet doesn't have an ultrasound and the Vet I bring my mares too to get this done doesn't like to do it before the 21st day. By then you've missed a cycle if they weren't bred. I did do one last year at 18 days and he found the embryo. This year I did two mares (15 and 17 days) and both were inconclusive so I had to haul them back to the breeder. I've heard that a good machine can do 14 days with a good operator. Just curious. Also wondering if anyone has had to use progesterone (Regumate)? I'm going to be testing one of my horses that reabsorbed last year, for low progesterone levels and checked into the price of the Regumate and the smallest amount I can get locally would be enough to do 6 horses (and would cost $250)!! I didn't ask about the long lasting hormone shot prices. Has anyone out there used them? Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Washburn, WI
Re: stallions with mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Martie, They are bad here, too! We have seen more misquitos this year than I think we have in the last 3! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Shetlands White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
