recent discussions
This message is from: ConnieBennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Let me start off by saying that I'm 3/4's Norweigen and a fjord owner. I recently went to the Dr for my annual physical. When I got on the scale the fisheyed expression of the nurse face said plainly that I should be drawn and quartered for gaining so much weight. The Dr. read my blood tests and took me off sweet feed etc. She then expressed thoughts to the effect that I needed something like a trainer with a whip to run me around the round pen every day. And even said that they sell salads where I get my whoppers (can't be true) The last few times I had my teeth floated has resulted in my wearing a partial plate so I don't chew my food as well. I thought I was going to colic a couple of times so I've now added psillium and olive oil to my feed. concerning those icey paddocks: I now go down using a ski pole for a walking stick. One day last winter, I slipped on the ice, and the fjords came (surefooted) running to see why on earth I was rolling around on the snow and howling. They have 4 foot to balance on and we only have 2. I was lame for quite awhile and still have a lump on my achilles tendon. The moral of the story is that there is no situation so bad that it can't make a good story later on and a little humor keeps a Norweigen warm on cold bleak days. Also God bless the Bo's and Taffy for answering all my stupid questions. You don't know what you don't know and I sure appreciate good people who want you to be successful with those marvelous fjords.
Re: Training in San Diego?
This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have forwarded your message to a trainer I know named Jami. We have been working with her in my daughter's riding club and I like her philosophy. She has experience with Fjords. Tamara --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I have a 7 month old beautiful little foal, recently > gelded. I would like to know if there is anyone in > San Diego County, California, that is interested in > training him. I would eventually like to learn to > drive but am looking forward to just trail riding in > the coming years with him. Also, he has a very > heavy coat now, sometimes sweating quite a bit on > warm days. Wanted to know the ins and outs of > clipping him in the spring and trimming his mane > properly. I recently ordered Carol's book and am > looking forward to the information. = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
Older horses, Tamara
This message is from: "lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tamara, I would say that she may be the best horse for you. Older horses that have been trained well and not over worked too much so that they are not spoilt are the best teachers for any age rider. I was very happy to hear from the newest owner of "Boris" a 38 year old Tennessee Walking Horse MIX that taught Rune (the hubby) how to ride in 1988 thru 1998, (He was 23 when we had him and we gave him away at 33)when we retired him from our farm to live with his first of now four five-year-old boys. Carol the grandmother of his newest student... called in praise of him and was very surprised that he was 38 years old. She thought he was about 30. (Teeth tend to stay the same after 30.) I would not have beloved it... except, I went to see him and he is FAT and still somewhat sassy with me. Of course his top line is weak... How much can you expect for a five-year-old workout... I hope this story gives you hope that an older horse can work wonders. Teeth and feed are your best friends with older horses. Keep them wormed and all shots in order. Boris was on daily wormer as soon as it was introduced to the market and we used Purina Senior when it first was on the market. (I had TBs and they never kept weight on until Purina developed Senior) Anyway... It goes without saying check the horse out... but she cold be a real gem. Best of Luck in your horse shopping. Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden Home of Norwegian Fjord Horses Fjord Calendar available with each month being a different photo. www.cafepress.com/fjordsusa
Re: value question
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol, we're warmer becuase you're cold..does that make sense? but it's true. The way the jet stream loops around, bending up toward us and sending warm air up from Hawaii, then looping down south and dragging cold air from Alaska down to the midwest. we had -40 about a week ago..moved off the East...now dropping down on you guys! Enjoy! Jean in mild Fairbnks, Alaska, with only 3 hours 57 minutes daylight! +10 >Jean >Why are you warmer than us in N. Wisconsin? At least we have snow >already this year and the septics won't freeze. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happy Holidays!!
click Or copy and paste. Our Holiday cheer to all. The Evers http://web.icq.com/shockwave/0,,4845,00.swf Dun Lookin' FjordsBud,Tillie & Amy EversRedmond OR (541) 548-6018http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Training in San Diego?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 7 month old beautiful little foal, recently gelded. I would like to know if there is anyone in San Diego County, California, that is interested in training him. I would eventually like to learn to drive but am looking forward to just trail riding in the coming years with him. Also, he has a very heavy coat now, sometimes sweating quite a bit on warm days. Wanted to know the ins and outs of clipping him in the spring and trimming his mane properly. I recently ordered Carol's book and am looking forward to the information.
Re: value question
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Ernest wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 17 years is not really old for a fjord.. Jean in Failrabanks, ALaska, cloudy and +10F Jean Why are you warmer than us in N. Wisconsin? At least we have snow already this year and the septics won't freeze. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Re: value question
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 17 years is not really old for a fjord..My gelding that I raised is almost 17 (gulp--where did the time go?) and he is just in his prime. If she is sound she should go another 10-15 years! Seems like a good deal to me, but you should go ride her and have a vet check to make sure. Jean in Failrabanks, ALaska, cloudy and +10F >This seems like a reasonable price to me for this >mare, but I would like input from breeders. >http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=370921 Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: value question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/12/2003 12:40:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This seems like a reasonable price to me for this > mare, but I would like input from breeders. This price seems quite reasonable to me. In fact, VERY reasonable if she is sound, etc.! The mare is still at an age where you could breed her if you want to, and sounds well trained. Incidentally, we have two mares that are out of this mare's full sister (Olof's Christa), and I have nothing but good to say about them for temperaments, work ethics, intellegence, health & soundness. Amy
Secret Santa Hint for Kay Konove
This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The name is not one I recognize. It looks like we are 3500 + miles from each other. We have 4 Fjords. All Brown Dun in color. We ride, drive, and show some. When you are done reading this, looking again ,I am sure you will find there is a clue of who I am. Look for your gift soon. Your Secret Santa. = Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (messages received on Saturday or Sunday can not be responded to until Monday) New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: Secret Santa Hint for Tillie Evers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I love to guess so here goes the questions. Have you been to my home?? Are you one of our California Fjord friends? Send me more clues. Thank You Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud,Tillie & Amy Evers Redmond OR (541) 548-6018 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: Bargain Fjords/Gaited Fjords
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To the Gaited Fjord issue. I have seen and ridden Karri in amazement at how she can trot in so many different speeds to avoid going into the canter ; ))) This is without regard for my kidney's ; ))) Arnn't they amazing?? To the bargin Issue. I do think they are out their, however few and far. With out a trained eye and honestly knowing what you personally can do and handle your bargin can turn out to be a full body ach, and a checkbook nightmare !! I will always offer my experience ( not expertise ) to any one so that they are successful in their animal adventures. This way I have done my part to help assure that the critter has a fair shot of not ending up in the animal terms Bad place). If I can help them be successful the animal has a good loving home. Roberta in Cold MN
Re: Weeweechu
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "The Mercers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Weeweechu a merry Christmas, [...] > and a happy New Year." And, then there was the coffee cup I saw a few years back, with a parade of cartoon animals around it, all apparently singing. The labels under the animals were: Wee fish, gnu, a mare, egrets, moose, panda, hippo, gnu, deer. ;-) And, my donkey, sometimes known as "Sant-Hee-Haws", wishes Happy Holidays to all the good little equines out there. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: 3 strikes, you're out.
This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm fairly new to this group so my opinion probably doesn't count. Definitely a "dope". But I really enjoy Joel's stories of Jord and I really enjoy Joel's wit when it isn't mean spirited. The name calling really has to go. I think if Joel can "get a grip" he should keep posting. For those times when he can't play nice then either don't post or put a warning in the subject line like "this is Joel unable to get a grip" then I can just delete without wasting my time. Tamara --- shawna smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "shawna smith" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Anyhow, if we're having a show of hands for Joel, > I say we give him another > chance. I'm all for free speech and eccentricity, > besides, tis the season > to > be mellow. > > Ruthie, nw mt > > > > Ruthie, I totally agree with you. I also think > that in today's society > people are too easily offended, and perhaps have a > hard time letting another > persons opinion, or comment, just roll off their > back, if they disagree with > what was said. Maybe I'm to laid back but I do > prefer, for the most part, to > "live and let live". And besides, I do learn > things, from his posts, about > the draft aspect of Fjords. > And who doesn't enjoy "Life on the Ground" ?!? > > Shawna in or = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
value question
This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This seems like a reasonable price to me for this mare, but I would like input from breeders. We are unable to purchase a younger horse because $3500 is the max I can go. We are not interested in breeding this mare - only in a confidence building horse for my 11 year old and a horse for me when I learn to ride. http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=370921 For those not wanting to take time to go to the ad: She is 17 years old and has been used by all level of riders. I have not been to see her yet, but the owner says her back is strong. She has had 10 foals. Thanks for your help, Tamara = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
Weeweechu
This message is from: "The Mercers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Happy Holidays Everyone! Taffy in Washington * One beautiful December evening Huan Cho and his girlfriend were sitting beside of the ocean under a romantic full moon watching the waves gently crashing on the shore, when Huan Cho said "Jung Lee, let's play Weeweechu." "Oh no, not now, lets look at the moon" said Jung Lee. "Oh, c'mon baby, let's you and I play Weeweechu." "I love you and its the perfect time," Huan Cho Begged. "But I'd rather just hold your hand and watch the moon." "Please Jung Lee, just once play Weeweechu with me." Jung Lee, knowing that Huan Chi wouldn't stop until she gave in, looked at Huan Chi and said, "OK, we'll play Weeweechu." Huan Cho picked up his guitar and they both began to sing "Weeweechu a merry Christmas, Weeweechu a merry Christmas, Weeweechu a merry Christmas, and a happy New Year."
Re: Bargain Fjords/Gaited Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/12/2003 7:32:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, then I've seen people buy the bargain horse and then spend hundreds of dollars with a trainer because they couldn't handle the horse. This has kind of been a pet peeve of mine for years and years! I've seen it over and over again. Right now, in fact, I have a coworker that did the same thing. She bought two horses for her family (not Fjords), and at the time I advised her to spend a bit more and get a couple of older horses that were well trained. But no she got two 4 year old, green broke (barely) geldings. One is working out for her somewhat, but the other has dumped both her and her husband, spooks at everything, is hard to catch, etc. etc. She just spent $400 + on a trainer, who ended up telling her after the month was over that he couldn't do anything with the horse. Her family hasn't been able to ride and enjoy the horses at all since she got them last April. So, how much of a bargain were these bargain horses? She has the original cost, trainer fees, and the cost of feeding them for over half a year, and the cost of the new shed she built, plus the daily labor of caring for them - and has had NO use or enjoyment from them. No one wants to ride the one around the corral by themselves, and they can't take him off on the trail alone. Everyone is pretty much scared of the other one. I do understand that if a person doesn't have the money, they don't have it. So, wait a bit longer, save up a bit more before getting a horse so you can get the one you really want. You'll be happier in the long run! Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fjord types
This message is from: Starfirefarm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello again all, Something else that Joel wrote about fjord type kept running around in my head while I've been working the horses the past couple of days: > I kept fjords for what they are, HEAVY BONED PONIES DESIGNED FOR DRAFT WORK! > Here are a couple of exerpts from a brief history written in the Fjord Horse International Judge's Handbook about the type and uses of the fjord horse in Norway. "The Fjord seems to have varied in size and type from the north to the south of Vestlandet. The Fjord Horse from Nordfjord and Sunnmøre was known to be larger with more bone and with more profuse mane, tail and feathering than the Fjord in Sunnhordland, which was smaller, lighter and more refined. This has led to a feeling that there were perhaps different types of Fjord Horse with slightly dissimilar origins. An example of the lighter type is Rosendalsborken I 8, foaled 1863 in Kvinnherad. As a 20-year-old, he was entered in a show in Germany and made quite a sensation. The types from Sunnmøre and Fjordane are predominant in today's breeding. The most important sire in the history of the breed is Njål 166, foaled 1891 in Stryn. Njål who was a county stallion in Sogn og Fjordane, stationed at Sunde in Stryn from 1896 till he died in 1910, is to be found in the pedigree of every living Fjord Horse around the world today. The Fjord is easy to feed, strong, tough but docile, with a capacity for working long hours, day after day under difficult conditions. This together with its versatility made the Fjord Horse very suitable for work on the small mountain farms in the West Country long before mechanisation began." "The Fjord was used on the farm for different tasks, logging and timber in the winter, and harvesting in the summer. The Fjord was also used as a packhorse on the mountain farms and in lighter driving, for instance to church on Sunday. It was used extensively as a post horse and for the transport of goods." So, though the fjord horse seemed to have been primarily used in draft work such as logging and farming, it was also used for light driving as well as packing. Interesting to note that there were "lighter types" recorded as far back as the 1800's. There is an article written by Tor Nestaas, including a photograph of Njal 166, in the Summer 2003 issue of the Fjord Herald. To me, this influential sire appears to be of a more "medium" type, upheaded with good withers, good length of body and good (but NOT heavy) bone. An example of a good, versatile, horse with which one might be able to do whatever type of work they desired. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com
Re: dont use it up
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/11/2003 9:09:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess that I need to let my horses rest and just warm up for a couple of min. before classes. My case is just the opposite... My mare really needs a pretty long warm-up. If I have the chance to really work her good for 15 - 20 minutes before going in the ring, she is wonderful! If I'm rushed and get only a 5 - 10 min. warm up, I might as well figure on not placing in that first class. And, without that warm-up, I never know if she'll decide to be a slug or borderline ballistic. Warm-ups definitely need to be tailored to the individual horse! Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Weaning& Gelding
This message is from: "Nancy Blauers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Everyone! I hope that you are all able to take a little time to go out and enjoy your Fjords during this Holiday Season! Being a newbie to Fjords, and also this is the first foal I've ever worked with ( I have experience with older horses)- I was wondering what is the proper age to wean a Fjord and what is the recommended age to geld? Little "Theo" is about 3 and a half months old now and I think that Mischa has had enough and wants to get back to "work". Luckily "Uncle Sam"(my Quarter horse) is a great babysitter- but screeches and runs like a scaulded ape when the baby checks to see if he has the same equipment as Mom. I'm looking forward to showing my Fjords this spring and helping to promote this breed- they are already a big hit in our Quarter-horse dominated neighborhood! I really appreciate everyone's advice and enjoy everyone's stories about showing,vet tips&nutrition- this list is such a valuable resource-Thank you! Nancy Blauers Trying not to raise a little heathen in Geneva, Florida _ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
Re: Worming
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Generally tapeworms do not cause a problem. Occasionally in an older horse they can get enough of a buildup to cause weight loss or colic. Also, routine fecals do not detect tapeworms. So many times if I have an older horse that is having problems, I will just go ahead and worm for tapes just to rule that out. And yes, some areas have more of a problem with tapes that other areas of the country. The usual wormers do not kill tapes. You have to use a double dose of Strongid paste two days in a row to kill them. Now, there is a couple of new wormers on the market that combine ivermectin with a tapeworm medicine too. If you were to use one of these new wormers once every few years, that would be sufficient. Also, I think using ivermectin once a month is a bit much. Try to rotate and stretch it out to every 6-8 weeks. Steve Steve White, DVM Sport Horse Veterinary Service Gretna, NE
Bargain Fjords/Gaited Fjords
This message is from: "Fleharty, Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, I, too, have some Bargain Fjords for sale and I'm still not selling them. I have had lots of lookers and they are amazed how tame they are for foals and yearlings. People only want the well trained ones--when I mention I have a mare that I might sell and then tell them I need a reasonable price for her they walk away. I'm told "horses are a real bargain--good luck." But, then I've seen people buy the bargain horse and then spend hundreds of dollars with a trainer because they couldn't handle the horse. Right now I could probably make more money training other folks horses than selling mine, but I'm getting too old for those rank horses that are already spoiled or have been mistreated and never taught how to behave without a whip and chair. Kindness and understanding makes them good horses and that's what mine get. We will put more work in these yearlings this winter and probably start them with a harness if the weather allows--at least so they understand the concept as they are too young to really pull. And, then we will have to take them to a horse sale and take what we get. I can't keep more Fjords than I have space for. That's not what I want to do, but I agree the interest in the midwest is not good. I don't show mine because my jobs don't allow me to so I'm sure that makes a difference, but just because mine are priced lower than others doesn't mean they aren't good Fjords, it just means I need to sell them. As far as gaited Fjords--I have seen my stallion run on his own like a five-gaited horse--it's absolutely beautiful and amazing. My husband has not seen it and is not sure he believes me. I'm thinking now one of his foals is doing the same thing. Rosemary
Re: winter ice
This message is from: bolinsj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bonnie, When our pastures are sheetice, it is the only time we lock the horses in the barn. Had several take bad falls and one that had to be 'rescued' after he fell, got up and was afraid to move again. It is easier on us and the horses to lock them up for the short time the ice is that bad around here. Martie - NOT looking forward to the ice again. Bonnie Liermann wrote: This message is from: Bonnie Liermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List: Now that the winter weather has hit I was wondering: Is there anything people in the colder areas do about icy paddocks? Or do you just hope and pray that none of the horses fall? Bonnie in WI
Cart for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from Linda Syverson-Kerr @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list. Hope this email finds everyone in fine health and in the Holiday mood. I have for sale, 2 wheeled Road Cart for showing. I had this made 3 yrs ago for my Fjord. Made of Oak, color is Natural Wood, has plenty of "flash" with the Brass rein rail, hubs & shaves tips. Topped off with Black Patent Leather wrapped shaves and dash board. It has a black leather seat, that lifts out for storage underneath. Pretty enough to show in and practical enough to take for a drive down the road. One enters the cart from either side in front, as there are foot pegs. The seat will sit comfortably, 2 full size adults. The shaves are 74" long, wheel size is 46". The total length is approximately 11 1/2 ft long. Will fit a 14 HH - 15 HH animal, as mine stands at 14.2. When the cart is attached to a Fjord, it makes an impressive statement and for those looking to have a "eye catching" Turnout, this does it. I have used this cart and my Fjord at Columbus Carriage Classic, the Carriage show in Prairie Du Chien, WI. We have won TURN OUT class at both of these shows in 2003, as well as placing highly in other classes. For those of you that have attended the Blue Earth show, we have won the TURN OUT class there for the last 2 yrs. If you are interested, please contact me via email as I could email pictures, or via the telephone at (W) 608-789-4616, this is a direct line, so please leave a voice mail, or my home 608-526-6878. I am asking $2000.00. Happy and Safe Holidays Linda Syverson Kerr Holmen, WI
Re: Worming
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Every area of the country seems to have different parasite problems. For > instance, here, the vets say that tape worm is prevalent in horses and is > causing > a number of colics. I don't think horses had those in MT., or perhaps we > just didn't know? Since moving here, I have gone to worming every 60 days > because, I'm told that our cool, damp winter weather is just PERFECT for > bloodworms > to thrive, since there is very little frost to kill them. Interesting! I've been using two different vets here in Roseburg, and am getting very different opinions between them! The male vet, who was trained in California, thinks that tapeworms aren't a problem (agreeing with my vets in California who'd never seen problems from tapeworms there). But, he says that there are lots of other worms here that can cause problems, and he thinks my long-standing practice of worming every month with ivermectin is just fine. (I started that program on the advice of my vet in California, to combat neck threadworm, and found that it also helped a lot in keeping the ticks down.) OTOH, the female vet, who was trained in Washington, says that horses that are pastured with cattle are at risk for tapeworms here. But, she thinks I'm over-worming, and ought to be using a rotation. However, both agree that, given how plump my equines are (on minimal feed), it's unlikely that tape (or any other kind of) worms are an issue. And, I tend to be of the "ain't broke, don't fix it" school of thought Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
