Re: "high quality Fjord stud"
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Joe, I enjoyed your response to Carol's posed questions. I find you quite intelligent, except for one thing..You seem to think Denver is in PA instead of CO. So just where are you or is this a puzzle of some kind Jean G. (for Jean's sake there in Alaska I use the G so she does not get blamed for some of my writings. :)) Author "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 46-49 Send $20 to: PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
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Re: "high quality Fjord stud"
This message is from: "Joe Glick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Once again, I see there is a questionnaire on the Fjord list. I must be a sucker for questionnaires, because once again I feel compelled to comment on it. Now, I don't know anything about Marnix, but if I were looking for a "high quality Fjord stud" I would definitely check him out. Why? Because someone, who probably has nothing to gain from it, highly recommended him. Anyway, let's get to the questionnaire. >>#1 - Is it because he's produced a significant number of foals and those foals have proven themselves as sound, good tempered, good performing Fjords?<< Comment: Having a significant number of foals is a good way to see if a stud is of high quality, but if he is of high quality after he has foals, isn't he also high quality before he has foals? And if his offspring aren't all high quality, who's to say that the dam wasn't to blame? The point is, the stud fees are usually lower before the stallions have foals, and the quality of the stallion doesn't really change after they have foals. >>#2 - Is it because he's beautiful?<< Comment: Would someone recommend an ugly stud? >>#3 - Is it because he comes from a proven sire and proven dam?<< Comment: I always thought "proven" meant to be able to produce offspring. If that were the case, the answer would definitely be "yes". If it means proven in shows and performance, then let me paint a picture of a scenario I'm in. I have a mare that scored 84 points in conformation and movement at an NFHR Evaluation that was never shown, to my knowledge, and is in foal to a stallion, that was never shown, who died 6 weeks after the mare conceived. This foal could be of "high quality" even if the sire and dam aren't proven. >>#4 - Is it because he himself is a proven performer?<< Comment: This is a good question. I like to see a horse that not only looks and moves good, but can actually do something. (Don't kid yourself, there really is a difference) >>#5 - Is it because he's well publicized and promoted?<< Comment: Being publicized and promoted by the owner has nothing to do with the quality of a horse. Being publicized and promoted by someone who has nothing to gain by it, is a totally different story. >>#6 - Is it because he's owned by someone prominent?<< Comment: An owner doesn't have to be prominent to own a "high quality stud". But if the owner is prominent he can usually collect higher stud fees. >>#7 - Is it because he's known to produce certain traits? -- Size? Movement? Beautiful Head? Long back, Short back? Trainability? Good Neck? Fertility? Straight Legs?<< Comment: Same as question #1 Joe Glick Glick Family Farm Denver, PA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: horse intellengence
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/19/2004 5:32:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Recognizing intelligent behavior can be tricky. Ranking it (is this behavior more intelligent than that) is even harder! Marsha, I enjoyed your story very much. Interesting to note the different methods of problem solving! I read somewhere (?) that "intelligence" is not necessarily a survival skill. One sees examples among people. A person can be unable to spell cat and dog, yet be in possession of good social skills, and be quite successful in life. Another person might be brilliant, but unsocial, and be less successful. It takes a balance of skills to live long enough to pass on one's genes, I suppose, and it's no different with horses. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
Re: horse intellengence
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Debbie Shade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We were having a discussion at our barn about which horse, in our barn, is > the smartest, and which ones were not to smart. [...] > We concluded intelligence wasn't necessarily related to breed but to the > individual horse. [...] my fjord is one of the smarter horses at the > barn. > An interesting discussion to pursue is how do you define a "smart" in > regards to a horse. Recognizing intelligent behavior can be tricky. Ranking it (is this behavior more intelligent than that) is even harder! Example---many years ago, my Fjord mare, Nansy, came in off pasture to get a drink. She found that the washtub in the first corral had been emptied by the previous drinker, but saw that I was working in the garden nearby. Nansy looked at the tub, looked at me, whinneyed, then when she saw I was watching her, looked back at the tub, then at me, and whuffled. Being a well-trained owner, I went over to see what the problem was, and filled the tub for her. ;-) Meanwhile, my husband's Fjord gelding, Rom, came in for a drink, too. He looked at the empty tub, looked around, saw a mostly-full tub in the next corral over, went out of the first corral (walking away from both tubs), turned left, went around the end of a second fence (i.e. walked away from the tubs in yet another direction), thence into the second corral for a drink. So, which horse is "smarter"---the one that "solved" the problem for himself (negotiating a "maze" of transparent fences to do it--a classical test of intelligence for non-verbal species), or the one that "communicated" the problem to someone who could solve it for her? An e-acquaintance once remarked that it is instructive to observe what a loose equine does when it steps on its own trailing lead shank. Bright horses look at their feet and move just the one that's on the rope. Problem-solving horses move each foot in turn, until the rope is freed. Average horses move feet randomly until they happen to step off of the rope. And some horses are "permanently trapped" when they restrain themselves this way! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
RE: horse intellengence
This message is from: "Debbie Shade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We were having a discussion at our barn about which horse, in our barn, is the smartest, and which ones were not to smart. I am at a small boarding barn, 16 horses, but we have a great variety of breeds: fjord, hafflinger, arab, QH, lipizzan, Hanoverian, draftcross, tb, english tb, and appaloosa. (as I list them that seems pretty impressive for a small barn) We concluded intelligence wasn't necessarily related to breed but to the individual horse. Though some breeds seem to have more horses that are not as bright. We did conclude my fjord is one of the smarter horses at the barn. An interesting discussion to pursue is how do you define a "smart" in regards to a horse. In general are mares or geldings smarter or can no generalizations be made. Debbie in MA _
Re: Looking for places to stay
This message is from: bolinsj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vivian, We are not quite so far south as you are hoping, but are right off 95 in MD. I think it is the same exit you use to go to Fair Hill. We could probably put your horses up in the front paddock with run-in shed. And of course, you could plug in your electric at the garage or wherever with a good view of the paddock. Martie in MD vivian creigh wrote: This message is from: vivian creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List, I will be leaving VT for FL at the end of this month. As the trip is too long for me to drive straight through I was hoping that I could find horse friendly lodging close to I95. I have a very big trailer that I sleep in so will only need a place to put three ponies for the night. Turnout is fine if the weather is fair. I can probably make it to VA in one day then will go on to FL. So anyone in VA along the I95 corridor that can accommodate a big trailer and three ponies please et me know. Thanks, Vivian Creigh
Re: website
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hey Ruthie, how much is that ranch..Does a good hardworking fjord loving man come with it? LOL. Maybe I should buy it, must be warmer than here, > even there in Northern Montana. It is -40F right now, was -50 yesterday. Jean Ernest JEAN... we're having a mild spell now 30 degrees in the early mornings and up in the afternoons. All of the snow has slid off of the roofs. There's still about a foot and a half left on the ground but on the valley floor it's bare in places! Roads are bare. I believe the neighbors want around 425,000 for their 100 ac spread, large latter year's log home and trout creek runs through property. There is a hard-working Fjord-loving man NEXT door, my Gene, but I suppose you'd want your own. =)) and lots of Fjordies next door too! They're a scruffy looking lot this season of the year... shaggy hair and some barnyard mud stains. You stay warm !! Ruthie, nw mt
Re: website
This message is from: "Reena Giola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow Jean that looks so very very cold not to mention that it is. .. bbbrrr. Reena ---Original Message--- From: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: 1/19/2004 2:23:31 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: website This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Ruthie, how much is that ranch..Does a good hardworking fjord loving man come with it? LOL. Maybe I should buy it, must be warmer than here, even there in Northern Montana. It is -40F right now, was -50 yesterday. Have a look at the Arctic cam on the New-Miner website to see the thick Ice fog in downtown Fairbanks! BRRR http://www.news-miner.com/ Click on "arctic-Cam in the mnu on the left..then scroll down to see the picture! Jean with cabin fever ini frosty Fairbanks, ALaska, -40F, -40C >The ranch next door is yet for sale and I'm still hoping a Fjord enthusiast >will buy it... Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re The Importance of Mares
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol, why is a stallion "retired" at a certain age. What determines the time of retirement? Is this also true of the wild stallion or isn't that because of the younger stallion beating him down? Jean Author "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 46-49 Send $20 to: PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Apology
This message is from: "Alan Zohner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry for the email meant to be private. Alan
Re: website
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Ruthie, how much is that ranch..Does a good hardworking fjord loving man come with it? LOL. Maybe I should buy it, must be warmer than here, even there in Northern Montana. It is -40F right now, was -50 yesterday. Have a look at the Arctic cam on the New-Miner website to see the thick Ice fog in downtown Fairbanks!BRRR http://www.news-miner.com/ Click on "arctic-Cam in the mnu on the left..then scroll down to see the picture! Jean with cabin fever ini frosty Fairbanks, ALaska, -40F, -40C >The ranch next door is yet for sale and I'm still hoping a Fjord enthusiast >will buy it... Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Source for Norwegian names
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought some people might enjoy having a resource for Norwegian names for their foals. There's Norwegian government website for statistical information that has a neat section about names. This address is the English language version: http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/00/navn_en/ DeeAnna
Re: website
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have > always been quite good at identifying birds...but the > hawks are always more challenging because of their > many color phases. I see so many of them here in WI, > mostly redtails, and harriers. Lately I've seen a > pair of bald eagles across the river from my > apartment. > Gina Larson We have Redtails and Harriers nearby here too in northwest MT and they often hunt the wetlands, very entertaining. Occasionally an Eagle will come in too, but down lower you can see several along the Kootenai River...(Gold Eagle also).. they're such a beautiful bird! The ranch next door is yet for sale and I'm still hoping a Fjord enthusiast will buy it... ever considered going west Gina? (I could use a good bird resource person here =))) Ruthie, nw mt
Re: Stud prospect wanted
This message is from: "Alan Zohner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gregor Thank you for your response. Harley has a great pedigee with Pedro and Holunder in his background. I'm afraid NH is just a little far for me, however. With best regards, Alan - Original Message - From: "Gregor Fellers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: Re: Stud prospect wanted > This message is from: "Gregor Fellers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > We have a beautiful 7 month old colt for sale. His sire is Hegdal and dame > is SF Hannah. You can get some more information on www.equine.com (id > 764134) or on our web site. > > We are in Grafton NH, which is quite a hike from Idaho, but if your > interested you can talk to my wife. She will be home later this evening > (around 6:00 EST) if the roads aren't too bad. You could try her than. She > will be out of town also between 1/20 and 1/27. Our phone is 603 523 4516. > > > Gregor Fellers > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.endor.com/~greg > www.oxbowfarm.net > - Original Message - > From: "Alan Zohner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 1:50 PM > Subject: Stud prospect wanted > > > > > > This message is from: "Alan Zohner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Hello. I have been a list lurker for several years and have enjoyed the > > information, comments and culture immensely. > > > > I am searching for a registered (Canadian or NFHR) fjord stallion > prospect. > > Temperament and conformation are my primary concerns, and in that order. > Any > > significant movement flaws or genetic based unsoundness would be > > disqualifiers. The ideal candidate would mature at 14 hands, have a stocky > > build and be a darker brown dun with pronounced black markings and zebra > > striping. However, color and size are much lesser considerations. I own 5 > > fjords, have raised a few colts, and would like to begin my own modest but > > quality breeding program. My mares are Gjest, Rusten or Gromar > > granddaughters. Price must be reasonable. I live in southeastern Idaho > and > > would be willing to travel for the right animal. If you have that special > > yearling or 2 year old that you have delayed gelding because you really > > believe he has stud potential, please contact me at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thanks. Alan > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCF0007.JPG] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCF0009.JPG] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCF0010.JPG]
RE: Gina's email address
This message is from: "The Mercers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The reason I noticed your "buteo" email is I'm a falconer and raptor rehabber. Taffy Mercer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina Larson Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:55 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: website This message is from: Gina Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Taffy-- Yes--you are one of the very few people who picked up the meaning of my username! I was a biology major in college and am a "backyard" bird watcher. I have always been quite good at identifying birds...but the hawks are always more challenging because of their many color phases. I see so many of them here in WI, mostly redtails, and harriers. Lately I've seen a pair of bald eagles across the river from my apartment. Pretty neat to look out my window in the middle of town and to see these majestic birds. I can't wait until the day I live in the country and have my own horse farm! Take care, Gina Larson Marinette, WI
Re: website
This message is from: Gina Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Taffy-- Yes--you are one of the very few people who picked up the meaning of my username! I was a biology major in college and am a "backyard" bird watcher. I have always been quite good at identifying birds...but the hawks are always more challenging because of their many color phases. I see so many of them here in WI, mostly redtails, and harriers. Lately I've seen a pair of bald eagles across the river from my apartment. Pretty neat to look out my window in the middle of town and to see these majestic birds. I can't wait until the day I live in the country and have my own horse farm! Take care, Gina Larson Marinette, WI
Re: Stallions and mares
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Carol made some interesting observations concerning the contributions mares > make in the stallion mare mix. I have often heard that the mare contributes > perhaps 60%. An old horseman once told me that behind every good horse is a > good mare (mother Philip == The observation that Mares contribute more than the sire is based on the additional discovery of Mitochondria, which when carefully analyzed is of really no great importance. I wrote to a Genetical Engineer last fall and asked him about the 50/50 ratio, if it is correct, and this is what he said "I agree with you, Ruth - offspring are a 50/50 mix of both parents. However, the mother is (usually) the only parent to pass mitochondria to the offspring. Mitochondria are a tiny fraction of the complete genome (about 1 part in hundreds of thousands). I suspect that is where folks get the idea that the mom provides more genetics info (but it is very minor)." Ruthie, nw mt
Stallions and mares
This message is from: "Norsk Wood Works" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from Phillip Odden, Barronett, Wisconsin Carol made some interesting observations concerning the contributions mares make in the stallion mare mix. I have often heard that the mare contributes perhaps 60%. An old horseman once told me that behind every good horse is a good mare (mother). It stands to reason that if you have a mare that is untrusting and jumps at the very slightest provocation, the foal will learn to be scared as well. If the mare is trusting and seeks human attention then the foal will be right there with her. It may be a different story when you ask the mare or foal to actually do something. All children are good kids until you ask them to do something. It is easy for a horse to be a 'good' horse if it only has to mope around the paddock and is never asked to perform or may never have been tied. Temperament and disposition is best assessed with the pressures of performance. Last Saturday a group of 15 Korean teenage exchange students along with host family members came to our farm for a sleigh ride experience. They were out to have fun and their energy was unlimited. The weather was nice and the snow was warm enough to pack snowballs. These young people had never been near horses before and their understanding of English was marginal. I hitched two fairly young mares, a red dun Wood's Karine (Raude)and Lower Forty Ronja (Freya) a brown dun. Both have been evaluated by official NFHR judges in conformation as well as performance by the way. Saturday they proved at home what the evaluators indicated with their performance scores at the evaluation. We tied two plastic sleds to the bobsled runners where three kids sat on each sled pushing yelling and screaming. Four or five more were seated on the bobsled adding to the commotion. We traveled over the fields and through the woods, snow balls flying and kids yelling, sleigh bells jingling. My pair always stood when I asked them to stand even with plastic sleds squirting out at their feet. They walked and trotted out smartly on the trails through the woods pulling heavy loads trip after trip. When it was all over they endured posed photo sessions as the kids crowded in close. I never felt that they were even close to being out of control, but then this wasn't the first time they pulled sleighs, sleds, and screaming kids. If you are looking for breeding stock the NFHR evaluation process will provide you with valuable information. The strength of the NFHR conformation scores is in the scores given to each individual category such as, head, neck, front legs, back legs and movement at the walk and trot. Probably the most important score is for fjord type which is doubled in the final overall score. High scores in fjord type are hard to come by in North America. If you are looking for a stallion you would want him to offer good fjord type. If the stallion isn't of exceptional fjord type then the mare had better be. Understanding what good fjord type means is not easy and takes a trained and practiced eye. Even a few years ago the choices for high scoring stallions under any system was limited. In the last few years the NFHR evaluation system has identified several stallions scoring 80 and above. There have also been animals that were thought to be of high quality that were found to have significant faults. Besides the home grown stallions there have been many high quality stallions imported from Holland, Denmark, and Norway bringing with them high scores from their respective evaluation systems. Now there is no excuse for not finding quality breeding stock. Phillip Odden Barronett, Wisconsin
