Re: still continuing saga also Nina and the Deer
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/28/2004 6:55:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Deer are always popping up on trail rides and I've occassionally had to remove a black snake from the ring but never a full grown deer traveling through. Robyn in MD ** Lots of deer where I board, unafraid of people! They walk all around the ranch grazing, stealing hay, drinking water. Today a doe and her twin fawns nonchalantly stood in the arena for a while, then exited. Great for desensitization! / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
Re: Info needed (very lengthy sorry)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Roberta, my name is Robyn Marie and I have taught Therapeutic Riding for over 20 years. I teach at Freedom Hills Therapeutic Riding Program in Port Deposit, MD. We never have a waiting list, as soon as a potential rider has their paperwork complete we will find a space for them even though we keep our sessions small - no more than 5 in a group per instructor. And of course we ALWAYS need volunteers. We have always accomodated every potential client who has come to us as long as we have a Doctor Referral and there is no problem as far as safety for horse or rider. Our fees are on a sliding scale from Group Therapy starts at $20 per session and slides all the way down to $0. We do ask that all riders participate in at least 3 fundraisers per year and 2 work days. Private Sessions start at $45 per and go down again to $0. We realize many of the people needing our services have whopping medical and life bills so we try our best to help who ever needs it. We have never turned a rider away for lack of payment. We teach year round Monday through Friday - some Saturdays during the winter and I also teach on Sunday private students who need calm and quiet. Our riders also compete and are mainstreamed with our "able bodied" riders whenever possible. We also have a drill team made up of riders who are challenged and not so challenged. I work with our Public School System and provide a "living skills", vocational program for several different groups of students - Behavior Modification - Mildly/Moderately Learning Challenged and At Risk Youth. I've also worked with clients who have experienced Severe Head Trauma - Abused and Neglected Youth and Adults - Senior Citizens. My youngest rider to date was one year old and the oldest was 93 years old (he was a Veteran of World War One and had actually driven mules pulling cannons during the war).Enough of that - not tooting my own horn just a little background on our Program and the very wide varieties of abilities and disabilities we have worked with. You didn't mention where you or the children are located, please let me know. I may know someone in your area. Otherwise I do have several suggestions, first and foremost you need to have insurance that will cover you and your family and farm should something bad happen. We live in such a sue happy world today that you must cover yourself first. Even when having friends over to ride or giving someone's child a quick pony ride you really should have a liability release signed. They won't keep you out of court but they will show you were operating in a professional manner. Any time you are working with children no matter what their disabilities or abilities - you run the risk of being sued twice. First by the parents for their child and then when the child turns legal age they are allowed to sue again. Therapeutic Riding Programs have been sued by riders, parents, guardians, volunteers, owners of horses etc.. Many of these lawsuits, we horse people can not imagine that the "injured" party could win but they do. Don't make the mistake of believing that your home owners policy would cover this. Technically horses are considered "an attractive nuisance" any way - if someone tresspasses onto your property and are hurt by your horse you can be held at fault. Having a Special Ed teacher available is helpful. Of course I don't know if the children's injuries are just physical or I would think also psychological. As to the physical aspects - how old/big are the children - the fjord wonderful broad back may be too wide depending on the children themselves. They may not be able to stretch that far at first. You may need to backride them or possibly a pad with a surcingle - the saddle issue itself may be way down the road. If using a saddle it should be equipped with (english) safety stirrups either peacocks or my preference kwik outs - (western) devonshire boot (enclosed fronts). Helmets that properly fit and they should be worn the ENTIRE time the rider is around the horse whether on or not. Here again more info is needed and the input of a good PT preferably who has knowledge of Therapy on Horseback. And volunteers : backriding alone takes a good solid leader - the person (backrider) who sits behind the rider (acts as a chair) and 4 volunteers (two on each side) and the most important partner of this team : a good sound smooth consistant moving mount (short coupled)who will tolerate all those people in close quarters. Just "regular" riding still takes a leader and one to two sidewalkers for safety and security. Therapy on and with horses is a wonderful tool for many people with challenges but it should be done under the safest possible conditions. Now that's not to say it can't be fun because it should be fun besides all
Re: still continuing saga also Nina and the Deer
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One more for you Peg - my antique mare (32 today) had to have IV tranquilizer shot so my friend could treat an infection in her foot. Now that was probably the HARDEST thing yet to do one handed especially since she was pissed off to begin with. Managed with only 2 sticks but definitely did a lot of praying. Then my friend took pity on me and did the cleaning, packing and wrapping. I had realized the shoulders surgery would probably cause a flare of my FMS and I also have arthritis and all that and the pain I dealt with. I just hated every day discovering one more thing I couldn't manage with one arm. Also got the flu two weeks after surgery with all the nasty stuff that entailed - forget coughing or sneezing - the shoulder moves. Another instance of the Fjord unflappable attitude - Sunday morning I was teaching a teenager who is autistic. He was on Nina (the fjord) -his cousin was on a welsh pony riding with him. Now this young lady (12) only gets to ride when her family is in from CA several times a year visiting. She would make a wonderful rider given lessons on a regular basis. This pony really is very good and currently shown by a D Pony Clubber who is 7 years old. Good manners but lots of energy. Any way about mid way thru lesson time - a very large doe bounds through the bottom of the riding ring - over one side's 4 foot fence - thru ring - over other side's fence. She was not even 20 feet from the welsh pony and 30 from Nina - both of which were on the rail. And I was between them in the middle of the ring. Nina did her basic " h what was that all about?" and stayed right on the rail continuing with her business - not the slightest evidence of a spook or even thought of one. NOW the pony was an entirely different story - due to the fact the child was so scared she had totally frozen her entire body luckily with her reins contact tight. No screaming when the gray pony did her Lipizzan airs above the ground in place - wild eyes following the doe out of sight and waiting for the next monster to shoot out of the woods to eat her. I quietly walked up to them - calmed the pony, got the young lady to start breathing again and we went back to work. Before we were done Nellie on the pony trotted alone several times around the ring. Now this is a kid I would love to teach on a regular basis. No freak outs, no tears or hysterics just wanted an explanation of the best way to deal with that situation if it should ever happen again (please no) and then on with the lesson. Deer are always popping up on trail rides and I've occassionally had to remove a black snake from the ring but never a full grown deer traveling through. Robyn in MD
RE: fjordhorse-digest V2004 #142
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A (MED)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A few years back I had a mare with thrush, so muddy and rainy here in Wisconsin. Anyhow, all I did was clean out the hoof, cut out the bad areas as much as possible so there arn't any hidden flaps in the frog area, then spray with common lysol disinfectant, Spray a couple times a day for a couple weeks and that took care of it. Mark -Original Message- Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2004 #142 This message is from: "Sheri E. Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi friends, I just got a home recipe for thrush. Maybe someone has tried it. Povidone iodine (Betadine) and while sugar. What do you think??? I found it on a search online for thrush. This person says NO to peroxide and bleach to treat thrush. Sheri and Red
foal birth/death...
This message is from: "Jeanne Zuker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aimee, So sorry to hear of the death of your foal, I am glad to hear that your mare is doing ok. I congratulate all of you who are brave enough to have foals and breed your mare's. Just know that all of you, your horses, the foals are always in my thoughts and prayers. Jeanne and Olaf MI
reply to jGayle
This message is from: "Yvonne Hursh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, my sheep are for spinning; longwools. There is a Shetland sheep breeder in our guild who lives down at Adrian,MO. Shetlands are VERY small and an also be very gentle. I don't think she has Email, but I can provide her phone number if you are interested. Yvonne
Info needed
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those of you doing therapeutic riding service. My sister is looking into doing some work in this area. First I should say she is a avid horse woman and is also a special Ed teacher. She has been contacted by some of her student's parents for help. The dilemma is that the therapeutic riding programs here have a 2 year waiting list and are for this family costly. Their children ( twins ) were in a near fatal car accident 6 months ago and do to the Grace of God have been constantly improving and are in need of therapy, but the medical bills are huge. My sister has asked if I would be willing to help her with this family, the problem is we don't have what we feel would be adequate equipment. We don't know if we should get Lil' dude stirrups for these kids or if we should get a smaller saddle, she has also mentioned a " Natural Ride" pad. I however being the younger and smarter sister ( Don't tell her ) : )) Thought where better to get info but the all knowing Fjordie Folks. O.K. mostly knowing. I am more than willing to help this family but I want to do it safely and have an idea what I am getting into. I got the horses for the job ( Fjord of course) but not the know how. Any help would be greatly appreciated by myself and I am sure these little girls. Thanks to all, Roberta
Re Foal Birth/Death
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/28/2004 10:01:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Appreciate those normal births, and give your live foals a hug from me. I know I WILL. I'm so sorry. Sometimes things are out of your hands. I will give my 3 week old baby an extra hug indeed. Give your mare a lot of extra hugs and TLC. I feel so sorry for her, the way you described her nickering for a foal that never answered. :( Pamela Northern Holiday Horses Welcome Polaris
Re: Thrush
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I lived in Nevada we had to deal with thrush occasionally, and the only thing I ever used was Betadine. It worked quite well. I'm not sure what the addition of white sugar to it would do, because the Betadine by itself did the trick. Sara K. Murrieta, CA
Re: Thrush
When I lived in Nevada we had to deal with thrush occasionally, and the only thing I ever used was Betadine. It worked quite well. I'm not sure what the addition of white sugar to it would do, because the Betadine by itself did the trick. Sara K. Murrieta, CA
still continuing saga
This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Robyn, thanks for your helpful suggestions. However, I should have added that folks trying these tasks also need to have arthritis in their dominant hand to really make the tests fair and equitable. Here are some more: 1] put halter on uppitty colt 2] put fly masks on [horses, not self] 3] wash your non-cast hand 4] wash your hair 5] file your nails 6] apply deodorant [no cheating - both arms] 7] load visiting mare in trailer and attach trailer tie to her halter And today we learn that our favorite vet has a broken foot and cannot work with large animals Of course it's not all bad - cleaning up the manure is out of the question. Bye now - Peg Peg Knutsen www.elltel.net/kffjord/
Re: Libby website
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Information on the Libby show can also be found at the Pacific Northwest Fjord Promotional Group website at www.pnfpg.org. Also, the deadline for sending in your registration forms for the Libby evaluation is July 1. Forms are also available for download on www.pnfpg.org. Judy Phelps Echo Valley Fjords Chelan, Wa.
Foal birth/death
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HI, Our last mare to foal this year, went into labor last night. She was HUGE. Everything was going as it should. Water broke, and with in 15 min. we started getting a peak at what was presenting itself - it wasn't a footit was an EAR. I ran in and called the vet on call, who luckly lives 15/20 min. away. He came right out. He gets set up and goes in to reposistion the baby. He gets the head and legs going in the right direction...but tells me he feels no movement from the baby - he's sorry. We spend the next 5-10 min. (seemed like forever) pulling the foal from her. When the foal is delivered, it is the BIGGEST fjord baby I've ever seen, and it has a Red Bag Placenta. The vet said it never presented itself first so there was no way of me knowing that. I guess from what I've read, it normally is the first thing you see.not the last. This all took less then 3 hrs. from start to finish. I'm so glad I was there to help her. I had expected her to foal out the day before and had been checking her every hour on the hour - even through the nightso it's been a LONG 48 hrs. for me. I feel badly to have lost this nice BIG colt, but I feel even worse for my mare. She was nickering and waiting for her baby to answerand he never did. She will be pastured, soon, with my other mare (her bestfriend) and her week old foal. I am not sure if that's a GOOD idea or a bad one. Will it make her miss her foal moreor help her adjust quicker? Maybe it wont matter. ??? And here I went and promised baby Fallon a playmate in a few days. I guess you just never know. I hate to have ANY losses, but at least mom is doing fine, and was very good and brave through the experience. I thought I'd write and see if anyone else had experienced the "red bag" deliver in this way. Appreciate those normal births, and give your live foals a hug from me. I know I WILL. Aimee Days End Fjords Maine
