Re: Fjord Markings
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think those two black dots are just the gaps between his tail and his body. The white hair at the top of the tail is fairly tan so it looks like his coat in this picture, giving an impression of a strange marking there. Are we looking at the same photo? The one I was referring to was the rear shot that shows his dorsal stripe (which is **WIDE**), and two spots on either side of it, above the tail. Or...am I just not understanding??? Jamie In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO
Re: Fjord Markings
This message is from: Curtis Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I took a close look at the photos. If you click on the first one of him in profile, the enlargement will show you that he does have guard hairs, although they are not a very white color. As to the problem with his strange body color and markings, he looks like he had a full body clip a couple weeks before the picture was taken. That would explain his light coloring. After body clipping darker horses, I have also seen darker patches in parts of the coat. My guess is that he is a normal dark brown dun. Take care! Curt PS. We have a really nice dark brown colt for sale with pure Dutch bloodlines. You can find out more about him and the other horses we have for sale at this website: http://www.deepcreekfjords.com/DeepCreek/sale_list.htm. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]
Re: Driving Reassurance
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Marv Walker is great but I really like Steve Bowers of Bowers Farm http://www.bowersfarm.com/ He gives clinics and trains people as well as horses to drive. He uses a natural Horseman type groundwork before hitching. They have a great video set available: TRAINING THE DRIVING HORSE. The Bowers Farm is located in Fort Collins, Colorado. Jean in sunny and cold Fairbanks, Alaska -10F, was -20 this morning. My final opinion as of now is: Marv Walker has about the best system for ground work leading into riding or driving, http://AwarenessHorsemanship.com/marv.htm And then years ago Jessie Beery developed a very good system of training to drive in a very safe manner, he had it set up where he could totally disable the horse harmlessly if it started doing something dangerous, and that taught the horse what he wasn't supposed to do.
Re: Boarding Facility
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi from Aberdeen, WA I wonder if looking into cost of insurance on such a facility is not a place to start? Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: Driving Reassurance
This message is from: Reuben Titus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many men have spent their lives working on figuring out how to train horses safely and effectivly, both from a riding and driving perspective. I've spent my adult life searching out what they've wrote about it. My final opinion as of now is: Marv Walker has about the best system for ground work leading into riding or driving, http://AwarenessHorsemanship.com/marv.htm And then years ago Jessie Beery developed a very good system of training to drive in a very safe manner, he had it set up where he could totally disable the horse harmlessly if it started doing something dangerous, and that taught the horse what he wasn't supposed to do. In training to ride I'd use Marv's ideas and then work it into riding. To train to drive I'd do Marv's system and then start driving using some of Beery's driving harness, (His books and harness availible from an amish harness maker in Ohio last I knew.) From what you say, it sounds like the right kind of ground work hasn't been done. But, being you have someone to work with him, if the man working him is comfortable to continue driving untill he's safe, I suppose to let him do it is the best thing to do in the circumstance, because that will work in time even if it isn't the absolute safest method that's ever been invented. RT Get your free horse related email. - http://www.horsemail.com -
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Driving issues
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/13/2005 8:48:04 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been assured Joe has had training and experience in driving, my barn manager has been very eager to hitch him up Hi Kate ! ( and list ) Im sorry about your scary experience in driving Joe. This is, as you suggested, has the potential to be a dangerous sport, and I would make the following suggestions that might help you with Joe. Keep in mind that they will seem like a huge set back since hes already hitched and driving. Sort of ? You have to break things down first. John Lyons stuff..tiny steps. Do not procede till each one is worked out. Problems in harnessing ( ? ) need to be fixed before putting to a cart. Horses should be very comfortable in the equipment, fit and process of wearing all harness parts before actually being attached to something ! You may need to do some refreshers just in this. Then attaching the cart.is he quiet ? Able to stand without headers, at least happy to remain still for unrushed amounts of time while all ajustments are made ? If you broke something while out driving, is he going to put up with you getting out and fixing the problem without any forward anxiety or jumping into the traces to get moving ? If not, you need to go back to basics and ajust his THINKING. Keep in mind that not all horses ( or Fjords ) will be safe carriage horses. That is not to say that this cant be fixed. It may involve retraining, which always takes alot more time than training the first time. The barn managers glowing reports, despite what you are noticing, and your fear while being in the cart is a worry for me. Any time you need to have passingers bail out esp. when they are already injured, is a liability and possible poor judgement in the first place. The fact that the driver also bailed out IMHO tells me that this horse needs more or retraining BEFORE someone gets hurt. You are right on to assume that this could turn deadly if it happens out in public where loose horses with carts attached have often fatal endings for both humans and the horse. I would suggest to break down each step in the process and stop driving until all features are fixed. Working well in a round pen with a verbal whoa is a good start. Having no issues and not needing undue restraint while harnessing is also a biggie. Maybe he was not properly introduced to blinkers after driving open cheek first. Maybe a crupper was not used until your harness had one. Maybe the collar does not fit correctly, and know that many people make errors ajusting collars. They almost need to be fitted to each horse by the maker. Joe seems to need to be retrained to stand and RELAX. A simple halt for a brief moment is not going to provide fun and safe drives, and his anxiety about being held back is resulting in some negitive reactions on his part. It could be that Joe has been rewarded for this fidgety stuff by allowing him to move forward, so you can understand his confusion at being asked now to stand. He needs to understand and be HAPPY with WAIT, or he is not a safe driving horse. It is not all about moving forward at a trot. I might not do anything, once hitched safely but WALK and stop for a long while. If all he can do is to trot out to be happy, he is not a finished driving horse dispite what you might have been told. Your driver needs to have a whip in his hand ( not in a whip holder ) while driving. It is a SAFETY feature not punishment, and is required equipment in all ADS sponsered events. The drivers ability to ask for FORWARD when a horse is lunging, backing or rearing is only possible when safe whip de-sensitizing is done while unhitched, long before putting to. Bailing out is usually not a good choice on the drivers part.and if the horse needed calming down ( from the ground ? ) by the driver who needs to be in the box seat for safety, it shouldnt be hitched. Period. Not right now. Dont dispair ! These things can be worked on and hopefully fixed. It may not be an easy, cheap or quick fix, but it is possible. Please do not get in yourself or allow anyone else to reward this behavior, or worse yet, cause a wreck that seems inevidible. Please write me privately and I can try to help you. I can also try find you some qualified help in your area. Sign on to the Carriage Driving list, it is a wealth of information and some pretty qualified if not world class drivers post there often. Good-Luck ! Lisa Pedersen / Pedersens Fjords * sunny, cool Cedar City, UT. http://www.cedarcitysidewalk.com/pedfjord/
Re: Fjord Markings
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but the markings above his tail are strange, I think those two black dots are just the gaps between his tail and his body. The white hair at the top of the tail is fairly tan so it looks like his coat in this picture, giving an impression of a strange marking there. Lori
