Re: Sven in Nevada
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hiya Marsha! Yup, I especially remember your nice TB gelding, and your little old fashioned sulky/road cart up at the Holly Thompson clinic in Corvallis, Or. That was so much fun! I knew you had the bug when you got to ride Jean Gayle's 'Howdy' at the Amador fairgrounds! Then I heard you won a raffle and the rest is, just FJORDS! Yeah, the old man, Svenster still has some gas left in his tank; unfortunately for me, I am spending most of my horsey time raising + training his offspring. He is a great guy when my 11 year old nephew Ben comes over, and really takes care of Ben. I just keep one eye open though, just in case he tries to creep over to a mare ;~) while out on the trail. I'd love to say i could take him to Winona but it's just not fair to haul him there and back only to trot him out for the Stallion thing then put him back in his stall. Waaay too many miles; but his get will be there to represent him informally. Just for feeding info, he cannot eat hay very well, his teeth are so short; so, he gets about 10 pounds a day total of a 3 way blend of: oat/alfalfa pellets, TDI 10 and TDI Senior. He is slick, dappled and shiny and not at all fat, but very well fleshed out, no sunken back, he looks great. He hangs out in the paddock during the day, at night he switches places with 'his mare', Jorunn, and goes out on his 5 acre pasture, to nibble and wander about. A pretty happy boy. I'll let him know you were thinking of him, and good luck with that house of yours! neigh-whinney! Kmac Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees From: M Korose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Email list reply Subject: Re: brag alert Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:52:10 -0700 (PDT) This message is from: M Korose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen Congrats on the great time you had on your Trail trial (try saying that three time) ANd a special congrats to Sven, he has been my hero for years, it was Sven, back in his earliest days that got me hooked on Fjords. I had a Thorobred (just learning to drive) and you had Sven and we were both in the same club in CA. He got me going and now we have (too) many Fjords and I am driving a beautiful Erland son stallion in my pair and both of them remind me always why I love this breed. You go boy! Marsha Moving to WV, the house shell is up and should have a roof on in 1-2 weeks. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
RE: trail course [long]
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Linda, I am going to attach a list of obstacles I have designed or encountered at other TT's. The ones highlighted appeared on last weekend's course; I am sure other folks have many more to offer as well. Basically, what differentiates a Trail Trial from a regular competitive trail ride (like NATRC) or a trail course in an arena, is that it utilizes whatever natural or manmade objects or infrastructure is available. Typically you will not encounter artificial 'arena type' obstacles . We hold out TT's at an old ranch that has 700 acres of desert, pastures, riparian /riverside areas, barns, loading chutes, all types of gates, mailboxes, ditches, wet & dry creeks, gulleys, downed trees, junk (yup, old couches + fridges make very relevant obstacles out here!) I'm sure you get the picture. What is vitalluy important though is that it is designed for safety and natural flow, and also for different levels of riders performing different tasks on the same obstacle. Our course was 3.9 miles long and it took everyone about 1 3/4 to 2 hours to complete. I try to keep it simple, but interesting, by often asking more than 1 'question' at an obstacle by using different separate elements (see sandpit). Some are so basic, yet demanding, I leave it as 1 element, such as the bridge. (Our bridge is a big wooden drive-on bridge over a 12' irrigation ditch. It's about 15' L x 10' wide, very inviting, yet with a ranchouse on one side and a set of farm buildings + pens w/ livestock on the other, there is ALOT for horses to look at, and a nice, uninterrupted forward walk across is pretty rare! Here is the list: Trail Trial Obstacles: (not in this order on course) 1 Drag Judge will hand lariat to rider, rider to drag car tire past cone + drop lariat (Novice) Un-dally rope from tree limb and drag weighted feed sack around cone and back to tree. Dally once around tree limb(Open) Neither level to tie to saddle/horn; Open can make 1 dally on horn, but not req'd. 2 Jump(s) At the walk or trot jump or stepover crossrail only.Halt.(Novice) At the trot, jump the crossrail 1st, and the rail 2nd. Halt, back 3-4 steps, walk away (Open) 3 Trot/lope 20 m circle At cone, travel right and perform 1 circle at slow trot/jog + 1 circle lextended trot/jog (Novice); At cone, travel right and perform 1 circle slow canter/lope, 1 circle fast lope, extended canter. Halt, back 3-4 steps(Open) 4 Read map All levels, take folded paper offered from judges hand, and at the walk proceed towards cones; at the first cone, open paper + read verse out loud to judge before reaching 2nd cone. Must remain at a continuous walk throughout. 5 Bridge walk willingly across bridge (Novice); walk onto bridge, halt at center for 5 sec. Walk off bridge. (Open) 6 Chute drop Open only: walk horse into loading chute and step off of 'drop' (2') Walk away. 7 Water xing Open level is judged xing @ 1st attempt, Novice level is judged on return (2nd) xing. 8 Mailbox with horses nose at cone sidepass R. to mailbox. open and close door (Novice) At cone sidepass L. to barrel, pick up basket on barrel and remove lettered envelope judge calls out (A-D). Sidepass R to mailbox, open door, insert letter, sidepass L back to cone (Open) 9 Sandpit junk [set up in a large level sand area w/ steep 20'+ slopes around 2/3 of area] At the walk, stepover groundrail between sectional sofas, walk over 5' x 40' USFS 'meadow grid', step over 3 utility poles. Jump optional. (Novice) At the walk or trot, a pass through cones, proceed down slope and do the same course as Novice, except jump is mandatory. You were also judged coming uphill thru the gulley before the sandpit! (Open) 10Pumphouse gully Ride into gulley between 1st set of cones, ride out of gulley between 2nd set of cones, cross over carpet between 3rd set of cones.(Novice) Same as for Novice except horse must walk thru water in gulley (Open) 11Walk in/Back out at opening of loading chute, walk in to the L of groundrail, sidepass R, and backout to the R of groundrail. (Novice only) 12Big ball Walk up to rpoundpen, dismount, open gate + pass thru close gate. Walk around ball, as near as horse's comfort zone will allow. Open gate, remount. OK tio use mounting block (Novice) Walk up to roundpen, open gate R hand push + close, ride up as close to ball as horse will allow, then proceed aound ball, open gate.(Open) Note: neither level will close gate upon exiting roundpen. Judge will close gate. 13trailer load 14ground tie or hobble while in outhouse 30sec. 15mount/dismount 'wrong' side 16carpet or tarp xing 17Ride up or down steep hill 18Ride past idling motorcycle or tractor 192 ditches, 1st wet, 2nd dry. Open sidepass to right on ground in-between 20turn in box, forehand or haunch
Camptown Harness For Sale
This message is from: Don Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Everyone, Hope all are having a great Fjordy summer. I have a really nice Dave McWethy Camptown harness for sale. It's got russet leather padding, black beta, stainless steel hardware, kicking strap, practically brand new. I bought it 5 years ago, used it half a dozen times, cleaned it, put it in the tack room and haven't driven since. I just much prefer riding! So anyone needs a handsome, Fjord sized single harness, drop me a line privately please. I also am selling my easy entry pipe cart if anyone near by needs one. Jane, Midcoast Maine
Re: Blue Earth - QH's past & evaluations
This message is from: Genie Dethloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Pat, Is anyone from Washington state coming to BE? -- Genie Dethloff Ann Arbor, Michigan
Re: brag alert
This message is from: M Korose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen Congrats on the great time you had on your Trail trial (try saying that three time) ANd a special congrats to Sven, he has been my hero for years, it was Sven, back in his earliest days that got me hooked on Fjords. I had a Thorobred (just learning to drive) and you had Sven and we were both in the same club in CA. He got me going and now we have (too) many Fjords and I am driving a beautiful Erland son stallion in my pair and both of them remind me always why I love this breed. You go boy! Marsha Moving to WV, the house shell is up and should have a roof on in 1-2 weeks. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: Blue Earth - QH's past & evaluations
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> if an evaluation system were in place 20 -30 years ago in AQHA, those breeders would have embraced the concept and the current QH might be a different horse today. Pat Holland. YES, IT COULD BE WORSE! ..as any kind of directional selection can paint a breed into an inbred corner. The QH is where it's at today because of eye pleasing phenotypical decisions made in the past, with little or no regard to genotypical thought... sound familiar? Evaluations will in no way prevent inbreeding, on the contrary, they promote it by the use of blue ribbons. Ruthie, nw mt
re: scam
This message is from: M Korose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fred We got that notice too, just 1-2 days ago. Could someone have gotten a list form the NFHR site or the list??? Sure seems a poor excuse for a scam. Who can we send this trash to? I like to notify as many authorities as I can when I see these things. Marsha
Re: Blue Earth - QH's past & evaluations
This message is from: "Pat Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi All, First I'd like to thank everyone who is supporting this years Blue Earth show, as of this date we have 83 horses coming and I am still getting a few stragglers in with entries. Despite thoughts that it'll be a small show, it appears we will be within the number we usually have on normal years. Last year we were closer to the 140 horse range, but that was out 20th Anniversary. It's going to be another great year and again I want to mention what beautiful trophies we have this yearthe cherry wood boxes and steins are really unique. I ordered extra steins, so later after the show if anyone would like to purchase one, as a keepsake - you can do so.See me at Blue Earth or contact me privately. I can email a picture of the trophies to you for you too look at.I am also offering the original picture I drew for the trophies for sale to the highest bidder - at the Midwest Fjord Horse Club meeting/dinner Sunday evening at Blue Earth. The money received from the picture will go to the MWFHC. On another note - when I first learned what an evaluation did and was used for, I too wished the old QH industry had gone in that direction. It is a wonderful tool and might have prevented some of the current issues in the QH industry. So much of the success & popularity of certain Quarter Horses and bloodlines were determined thru show placement and politics. But within the QH world there were many very dedicated breeders, some founders of AQHA that tried to hold and preserve what the QH originally was - sometimes I think if an evaluation system were in place 20 -30 years ago in AQHA, those breeders would have embraced the concept and the current QH might be a different horse today. See you all in Blue Earth.soon! Pat Holland.
trail course
This message is from: "Linda Lottie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen.I have a huge back pasture that I want to make into a "trail course"nothing too difficult as it will be for me and my freinds and daughter. I have water to cross, hills and will wind around the swampy parts. I would love some ideas. I have access to a fellow who can build most anything. Already have a wood bridge. Thankssounds like tons of fun. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda Baker Lottie From: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: congrats! Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 17:16:38 + This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Patti Jo! I love doing trail trials as it really combines alot of education of the horse + rider into a really cool format - I mean what could be better than going for a 2-2.5 hr ride w/ friends and having a friendly competion at the same time, then getting to sit down to a great outdoor meal together? We have 3 basic levels: Open, Novice and Juinor riders. You can ride in English or Western tack, and the obstacles are designed to be ridden in either discipline. Ther's something for everyone. This is the 3d TT I have organized + laid out; if anyone is ever interested in putting one on, I would love to come and share my knowledge w/ you and/or your local horse club. Right off the bat I can see fjord shows at places like Libby,Mt. or GMHA in Vt. would be great to have one pre-show,(on a non Eval year). Bye for now. Kmac Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees From: "Dave and Patti Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: congrats! Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 07:19:26 -0500 This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen and others WELL DONE!! BIG CONGRATULATIONS, sounds like a GREAT time, wish I lived closer. Patti Jo Walter www.franciscreekfjords.com
RE: congrats!
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Patti Jo! I love doing trail trials as it really combines alot of education of the horse + rider into a really cool format - I mean what could be better than going for a 2-2.5 hr ride w/ friends and having a friendly competion at the same time, then getting to sit down to a great outdoor meal together? We have 3 basic levels: Open, Novice and Juinor riders. You can ride in English or Western tack, and the obstacles are designed to be ridden in either discipline. Ther's something for everyone. This is the 3d TT I have organized + laid out; if anyone is ever interested in putting one on, I would love to come and share my knowledge w/ you and/or your local horse club. Right off the bat I can see fjord shows at places like Libby,Mt. or GMHA in Vt. would be great to have one pre-show,(on a non Eval year). Bye for now. Kmac Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees From: "Dave and Patti Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: congrats! Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 07:19:26 -0500 This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen and others WELL DONE!! BIG CONGRATULATIONS, sounds like a GREAT time, wish I lived closer. Patti Jo Walter www.franciscreekfjords.com
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2006 #150
This message is from: "Beaver Dam Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:48:17 -0400 From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Re: genetic diversity Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -- QUESTIONS FOR MIKE MAY REGARDING 2005 REGISTRATIONS - This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 03:46 PM 7/5/2006, you wrote: This message is from: "Eike Schoen-Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen, the question is, how many of these mares produce a foal per average year? Now in Norway, Denmark and Germany there were between 300 and 400 foals registered last year (each). Mike May can tell you how many he registered last year. I registered 358 horses in 2005. Mike * Do you mean 358 total registrations in 2005? * Does that number include transfers of registrations? * How many foals were registered? * How many foals 2005 foals were registered ? Thank you, Carol Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II, Ltd. Phone: 902-386-2304 Fax: 902-386-2149 URL: www.beaverdamfarm.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Raised by the Sea in Health and Tranquility" Visit our NEW Riding Vacation page on our website today! http://www.beaverdamfarm.com/pages/riding-vacation/index.html
Re: scam
This message is from: briar hill farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks to all who wrote back that it was a scam and to not fall for it. Anybody Else get one? Fred I got the same one. Marcy Briar Hill Farm www.briarhillfarm.com
congrats!
This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen and others WELL DONE!! BIG CONGRATULATIONS, sounds like a GREAT time, wish I lived closer. Patti Jo Walter www.franciscreekfjords.com
Stallion Fees
This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stallion Fees I believe in the USA, it is not even the cost of the fees but the location of the stallion. On the West Coast it is the distance verses the costs. With AI, it is the talent of the Vets and the charges they charge to do the AI collection and certification. (These are charges that the stallion owner passes on directly to the mare owner.) Due to time change and flight patterns, it is easier to ship semen East to West than West to East. Frozen is a different story, yet, you need a tech / vet that are schooled in frozen practices. Believe me we have gone through many vets finding one that understood the process enough to have a frozen semen foal. (Ruthie's one stallion is the result of frozen semen and our efforts.) If one is looking for more stallions in the USA for breeding... then this is the year. So far, I have never seen so many colts foaled with potential than I have this year. We have three (3) available for sale right NOW. Each has potential to be great breeding stallions. One is from Gayle Ware's grey stallion, Johan and two are from Blaamann (red in confirmation with the comments "best legs" , you will not beat his personality and gentle nature... ). These outstanding stallion prospects will be gelded this fall if we do not find homes that want stallions. If you do not want my stallion prospects, then look to other farms. I know Ruthie has 2 that look great in the photos she has sent me. Let's say you purchase a weanling for $4500. Then you need only to breed 9 times to match some of the stallion fees that are advertised in the USA. (If you go to the high end of stallion fees, then 4.5 times) What a bargain! You can always make an offer and lower your initial price of the weanling stallion. Or better yet, grown stallions that are proven (good sperm & have been Evaluated) are selling from $6500 to $25,000. (6.5 to 25 mares to cover your investment) Buy yourself a stallion that has been trained, tested and used. The scores will tell you where they stand as far as confirmation. You are paying more because the stallion is trained and proven. ($600 to $900 per month to train... you can figure this out) These are BARGAIN prices! These are advertised prices and offers can be made. We have one grown stallion here on the farm that is for sale. He received a BLUE in confirmation as a weanling. He is just as beautiful and typee and should be a BLUE as an adult. He has sired grey foals (proven sperm) and he is for sale. He rides and is currently in training for driving. $7000 or Make an offer! The owner is willing to sell now or you can wait and the price will go up once he receives his BLUE as an adult. Buy him and you will not have to pay stallion fees. All in all, I personally do not think we will have a problem with breeding the same stallions and limiting our gene pool. Why? Because in the USA, anybody can do anything! As long as there are difference of opinion then there will be the watch dogs out there reminding us of the potential of doing something wrong. Also, Mike May mentioned that we were one of the largest breeders... one year our wonderful stallion, Blaamann bred the top number of mares in that year. I thought this was crazy. I think he covered 10 mares. In the AQHA / APHA world, 50-60 mares would be considered closer to the top breeding stallion. Food for thought! Call me! We have stallions for sale! :-) Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden Bed, Barn, Breakfast & Baskets Southern Oregon
