New web site for upcoming book
This message is from: Douglas Knutsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, First, I want to congratulate Brian and Ursula for importing these quality Fjords from Germany. They will play a significant part in continuing to improve the breed and the breed's gene pool. Way to go! Also, as some of you know, I'm working on a book. It's full of witty and sparkling humor about what happens when a middle-aged woman [me], encounters the realities of horsekeeping [them.] Cross your fingers about the witty and sparkling part... We have put up the draft of a new web site for Midlife Madness - Setting up Horsekeeping. You should be able to find it at www.horsehumor.net . I would love to have comments, preferably enthusiastically positive, from any of you who would care to respond. Yes, you won't be disappointed - my stallion will occasionally show up in my writing I have enjoyed reading about all of your adventures in the snow and ice. We had a couple of power outages, the longer being 4 1/2 days. We coped with generator, gas fireplace, running water [we're not on a well now], and our Coleman stove. Aren't we hardy, though? Our 6 inches of snow is gone. We're currently enjoying some sunshine while waiting for the Spring Deluges to appear. There's hope - the days are getting longer. Peg Knutsen [AKA Peg Blackstone] www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Finding registration papers on a Fjord
This message is from: Pat Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Donna wrote: Has anyone run across this before? In your experience is this generally not a purebreed but being passed off as one? Looking for tips on how to handle this. thanks, Donna in Germansville, PA Pat write: * Donna, I had to hunt down the papers for a client a few years ago - a Fjord gelding that had a few owners too many - took a bit of work but it is doable and does not necessarily mean the horse in question is not a purebred. Contact me privately and I might be able to help you. Pat Holland The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Parrelli
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all I have done Parelli for years. Started pre fjords. I love him and Clinton Anderson. If it wasn't for Parelli I would have gave up on horses. I wish they hadn't gone so commercial but, if you have a good product you should be able to sale it. I don't know what level I am on. I know we can pass level 1 even with my babies. I have been doing it for years. (Many clinics.) My instructor would like me to take the tests. Not a big deal to me. If my horses are doing what I want I am happy. There are a lot of people that make fun of Parelli calling it the 7 games but, it is more fun to call it a game than to call it long lining . People have very small minds and opinions an don't get that it is basically the same thing. I love it when people who haven't tried the program already made up their minds that it is all a gimmick. This frustrates me. I am open to all suggestions people give me when training my horses. There is a lot more to natural horsemanship than a carrot stick and a rope halter. It shows you how to be a leader and a partner with your horse. Most of all it helps you understand your horse. I think we have all thought I wish I could read their minds. Parelli does help you understand what they are thinking and how to deal with a lot of situations you may come across with your horse. What ever training you use best of luck to you. If it works don't fix it. If it is broke get some glue. Love fjording Kathy Katherine Kramer Westcoastfjords.com 23355 Modoc Ct Gavilan Hills, CA 92570 951-657-2505 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: New web site for upcoming book
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/22/2007 12:59:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have put up the draft of a new web site for Midlife Madness - Setting up Horsekeeping. Right on, Peg! You are a super writer, so I very much look forward to reading your book. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.eponahorsemanship.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] jerrell friz wrote: None of these trainers invented the wheel, although they talk like it. Horsemanship, has been around since the beginning of man and horse. What is natural horsemanship? Over the course of the winter, I have been re-reading works on horse training, or horsemanship (if you will) written by men who are considered masters i.e., M. de la Guerniere (1688-1751), Gustav Steinbrecht (1808-1885) and works about Francois Baucher (1796-1873) and Nuno Oliviera. A couple of things have struck me, this time around. One is that every one of these people have been adamant that the rider/trainer must have an independent seat in order to be effective and to not damage the horse's mouth by the rider leaning on the reins for balance and support. The other is that most emphasize working with the horse as he is, a horse, and working with the nature of the horse. No forcing, with patience, and taking the time to help the horse understand what the rider/trainer is asking of it. This, in my opinion, is natural horsemanship. I'm not saying that everything they did was correct or beneficial. In fact, there was plenty of disagreement, at the time, with regard to who's methods were correct. Baucher's methods raised, perhaps, the most discussion and criticism (Steinbrecht cautions the reader over and over again that Baucher's methods are wrong and dangerous - and tells the reader why) yet, there are repeated familiar themes which we are still discussing and teaching today. Steinbrecht even describes what might be interpreted as a version of a one rein halt that could be used, only by a very skilled rider, under extreme circumstances, with a fractious young horse (in order to avoid being unseated). I recently picked up a translation of James Fillis (1834-1913) who was a student of Baucher, but who did not agree with all of Baucher's methods. In one section of his book, he describes work with the horse done at liberty (after teaching it to work around him and to come to him with use of a lunge-line) which sounds very much like asking a horse to hook on or join up or face up or whatever you want to call it. As for Parelli, a lot of the original work, in my opinion, is based on the exploitation (if you will) of the instincts of the horse that circus performers use in their training methods. These methods have been around for centuries. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. In the Parelli programs I have seen of late, there has been much more emphasis on the human's responsibility to learn about what the horse's behavoiral response to the human's request means. This, in my opinion, is much better than what I've seen in the past, which was people getting so involved in the Parelli Process, and in acheiving the required skills in order to climb the Level Ladder, that they were leaving the horses out of the equation. In my opinion, the marketing that goes along with the process is responsible for the I want to belong syndrome that would foster the Level Ladder goals, and not being with your horse in the moment. On another hand, one could look at the Parelli system as a method to bring horsemanship to the masses. As it is currently, it is de-mystifying (for some folks) the horse-human observation and relationship skills that were attributed to horse whisperers. Beth http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
MI-NC-MD-MA-VT-MI and Upcoming Runs!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, Leaving the end of this week: Michigan-Ohio-West Virginia-North Carolina-Virginia-Maryland- New Jersey-Connecticut-Massachusetts-New Hampshire-Vermont- New York-Michigan February: Michigan-Illinois-Missouri-Arkansas-Mississippi-Louisiana-Michigan March: Michigan-Indiana-Kentucky-Virginia-Maryland-New Jersey-Michigan Please email or call privately today for a quote! For those who have an emergency or desire their equine hauled separately, no matter pick up or destination, email or call for details. References are available. Need more information about our service? Please visit: (http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/BaileysTransportation.html) Please respond privately either at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call at 231-689-9902. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/index.html) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been spending bedtimes reading Sylvia Loch's The Classical Seat, and it pretty much says the same thing. Has anyone ever devised a good system for letting a rider know when s/he is balancing on the reins? Maybe a piece of yard that takes up a loop in the rein, that would break with too much pressure? Or some kind of bell on a piece of elastic that would warn when there was too much pressure, or sudden pressure. So ...how is the blizzard going out there on the plains and foothills? Gail Over the course of the winter, I have been re-reading works on horse training, or horsemanship (if you will) written by men who are considered masters i.e., M. de la Guerniere (1688-1751), Gustav Steinbrecht (1808-1885) and works about Francois Baucher (1796-1873) and Nuno Oliviera. A couple of things have struck me, this time around. One is that every one of these people have been adamant that the rider/trainer must have an independent seat in order to be effective and to not damage the horse's mouth by the rider leaning on the reins for balance and support. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Sarah Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just drop one or both reins for a second or two. The results will be revealing. Has anyone ever devised a good system for letting a rider know when s/he is balancing on the reins? - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and balanced seats
This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail Russell wrote: Has anyone ever devised a good system for letting a rider know when s/he is balancing on the reins? I like to start the rider with awareness first, by having them use only one rein at a time, bringing the horse's head (and therefore neck) around (i.e., yielding, a' la' Clinton Anderson). The advantages of using only one rein at a time, and working on the horse bending, or yielding, are: 1) It can be done with the horse standing 2) The rider can use her/his eyesight (as well as the horse's response) to see whether or not they're doing it correctly. The ultimate (lofty, but attainable) goal is to have the horse give to the request of yielding, without having to put more pressure on the mouth other than a slight indication to the corner of the horse's lips. Unlike Clinton Anderson, it's not about getting an auto-response from the horse, it's more about developing feel in the rider's hands and body, and developing the horse's trust in the rider, which will, ultimately, have the horse reaching for you when you reach for him (a quote from Ray Hunt and Buck Brannaman.) Once it's good at the halt, it can be used at the walk, trot, canter, etc. Then one can work on asking the horse to yield (give vertical flexion) to both reins at the same time, while the rider works on instantaneously releasing the reins with every positive response from the horse, which requires the rider to not balance on the reins. Jean-Claude Racinet (Another Horsemanship) challenges the rider to start the horse forward without even holding (or touching) the reins, before every upward transition, then quickly take up the reins once the horse has starts to move forward. He also suggests an exercise where one ties the reins around the rider's back so the reins are connected, but not taught, when the rider sits up. To ask the horse to go forward, the rider must lean forward slightly. Then he has the rider sit up to ask the horse to stop (hands crossed over the chest, not on the reins at all). The pressure from the reins stops the horse. If the rider has to lean back to make the horse stop, the reins are tied too long. I think your idea of using something that would break is an interesting one, with a very safe horse. It could certainly be tried one rein at a time. Nuno Oliveira was known to perform riding demonstrations with only a string in the horse's mouth (and not plastic hay string!) So ...how is the blizzard going out there on the plains and foothills? Not too bad here, 3-4 inches, though south and east of Denver received up to another foot. We're still under snow, however. Haven't seen the ground for 6 weeks now. Highly unusual, even for old timers. There are some things one never sees with warmer temps, however, like these beautiful ice crystals floating in the air, sparkling in the sunshine. Or is that just cabin fever? ;-) We're about to receive some nice, warming temps in the upper 30's and 40's. Yippee! Don't have to worry about burning the lungs with exertion! Here comes the mud. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Parelli
This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just wanted to let you know that you will be very happy with your results, from the parrelli natural horsemanship... in three lessons my gelding and i are almost ready to be certified for level one... and i just started it with my fjord mare, and am very happy with the results... Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Starfire Farm Vicki Johnston wrote: I am Level I in my ground skills and my husband is working in Level II. I'm getting ready to go to the Parelli Center in Ocala next weekend for a 2 week course on the ground in Liberty and Horse Behavior with my Fjord mare. So, I'm hoping to be able to tell everyone that I'm much improved next month! I know she will be - I hope I can keep up with her!!! ;-) She's very smart! Have fun, Vicki! There are a few other Fjord fans doing Parelli. I met a woman from Colorado attending a class at the Parelli Center in September with her beautiful Fjord mare. I followed up with her to see if she found it worthwhile, and she had positive feedback. She is a Level III student if I remember correctly. Just wanted to say that both of these mares are from Starfire Farm. Full sisters, Starfire Malin and her younger sister, Starfire Kjerstin. The parents are BDF Obelisk (Gjest x Stine) x EHF Heidi (Glengard x Freyja). This had turned out to be an exceptional pairing. Both mares are stunning to look at, with lots of presence, yet a calm demeanor. Big, beautiful eyes and very pretty heads, yet balanced body conformation. Malin was evaluated as a three year old and received a conformation score of 81 with 8's for Walk and Trot and 8.25 Overall. We are expecting a foal from this pairing again this spring, so contact us if you would be interested in purchasing this offspring. Beth Starfire Farm http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] How did you get my email? do you have fjords as well? and do you do parrelli? Sarah Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Sarah Clarke Just drop one or both reins for a second or two. The results will be revealing. Has anyone ever devised a good system for letting a rider know when s/he is balancing on the reins? - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Midwest Fjord Horse Club Winter Meeting Update
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone, Just a note to remind people that the February 9th deadline to have your hotel reservations made and registration forms turned in is coming up quickly. Please remember if you are bringing horses, that you bring your original Coggins papers and a copy to leave with the Center. For those of you who are out of state, you will need to have a valid health certificate. When you check in at the Main Barn, you will have to sign a liability form. I am still looking for items to include in the guide I am putting together. The types of things I would like to include are harness makers, wagon/cart makers, trainers that work with Fjords, catalogs that you get your bits, tack, or health products out of. Some of your favorite brands of items, like Stubben, Smuckers or Schneiders. A contact phone number or web site would be appreciated, so if someone needs a harness they know how to get a hold of the person. I have received homemade recipes for fly spray, using softener sheets to keep the mosquitoes away. Reach deep into your bag of favorites and share a few with the rest of us. There are still openings for the saddle and harness fitting evaluations. These evaluations are open to 8 horses. If all the spots for the English saddle fitting evaluations are not filled, I will be offering the spots to outside people. This way we meet our quota of 6-8 horses, which is a requirement for the Schleese Saddle Company, and those who have signed up will be able to have their saddle fitting evaluation done. If we do not meet the quota of 6-8 horses, the saddle company will not do the evaluations, they will only do the lecture and the money you have sent in for the pre-registration will be refunded back to you. The Western saddle and harness fitting evaluations will happen if there is only 1 horse or 8 horses. There is a change to the schedule for Sunday. Karen Turvey will not be doing her seminar. In her place will be Ben Eyster. Ben is a local trainer located here in Northern Illinois specializing in starting colts, working with problem horses and helping people become more effective with their horses. Ben says, “Effectiveness is earned through attitude, self control, confidence, focus, leadership and respect”. Ben will show us how to earn the respect of our horses on the ground first, then transfer that knowledge to the saddle through preparation, feel and timing. Ben is willing to work with up to three horses in his 3 hour seminar. If you would like to participate in Ben's clinic, please check the box that lists the Desensitizing clinic. I will get in touch with you and confirm your reserved spot. This is a great opportunity to work on any issues you may be having with your horses. One of Ben's specialities is helping horses with their transitions, such as walk to a trot, walk to a canter, or canter to a walk. Looking forward to seeing everyone! If anyone has questions, you can contact me at 815-645-2630 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Dawn Schlickman MWFHC Winter Meeting Chairperson The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Midwest Fjord Horse Club Winter Meeting Update
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
