Re: blanketing a Fjord
This message is from: Dianne White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My fjord has a good size pen and a large 4 sided stall with a window that he has access to 24/7. When it is raining, snowing or very windy, he is inside. When it is hot and sunny he is inside. Actually, most of the time he is standing in his feeder looking outside the window. Sometimes we wonder why we just don't move him to the main barn since then main reason he is outside at all is when he is staring at our back door because it is time to eat. But I have blanketed him when I have body clipped him in October for a show. And Actually I will probably do a trace clip on him this year. As far as blankets, he hated the style that covered this withers as it put too much pressure on this area. I will be getting him a cutback style. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Graphic, be forewarned
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here are a couple of links to information about the accident. There are comments from the public including 2 people who were at the scene. _http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wadsworth-il/TIRQLG84A3TC8ACNK_ (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wadsworth-il/TIRQLG84A3TC8ACNK) _http://www.bristolwisconsin.com/Horse%20semi-trailer%20Accident%20Photos.htm_ (http://www.bristolwisconsin.com/Horse%20semi-trailer%20Accident%20Photos.htm) Very sad photos ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: 60 horses in a shipping crash???
This message is from: "jerrell friz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1,000 lb. Belgian draft horses ??? must all be weanlings. Regards Jerry Friz, Anderson, CA. -- which weighed an estimated 1,000 pounds each and were double-stacked in the trailer. For your security this Message has been checked for Viruses as a courtesy of Com-Pair Services! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: 60 horses in a shipping crash???
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like a kill truck to me, Vanessa, maybe on the way to Canada? Double stacked? But even that way, how do you get 59 horses, much less Belgians, in one truck? Very sad. It reminds one of the crash in Missouri about a year ago. Linda WADSWORTH--Nine horses were killed Saturday when the semi-truck they were riding in on Route 41 collided with a pickup truck at Wadsworth Road, sending the semi â loaded with 59 Belgian draft horses -- toppling onto its side. Sgt. Curt Gregory of the Lake County Sheriffâs Police said while neither driver suffered serious injuries, rescue crews and area veterinarians were on the scene for some five hours extricating the horses and transporting the survivors from the scene. All four lanes of Route 41 were shut down between Route 173 and Wadsworth from 7 p.m. until midnight. Gregory said the accident remains under investigation, and special attention will be paid to see whether or not the semi was overloaded with the horses, which weighed an estimated 1,000 pounds each and were double-stacked in the trailer. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
60 horses in a shipping crash???
This message is from: "Vanessa N. Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just read an online article which sites the deaths of 9 horses, including Belgian Draft horses in a shipping crash in suburban Chicago. There were allegedly 60 horses in the crash. I've never heard of such a large rig. Has any one else? Vanessa Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fjord Mare For Sale
This message is from: Jackie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered Norwegian Fjord Mare For Sale 13 yrs old, broke to ride, 30 days professional training. Also would make good prospect for breeding program. $1500.00, central Wisconsin call 715-445-5201 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
no rest for the wicked
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:41:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You also sound like you need some rest and less worry. Thanks for making > this situation so real and so glad your hubby may be home soon. Jean Gayle > > Naaa, Jean, Im always this crazy. ; )Yes, I was tired when I wrote that. Jeff got held over today till they made sure that there were enough " incomming " Firefighters to work all the areas. ( Wife's now hog tying and handcuffing husbands at home, not just hiding their cell phones ) They got enough staff, so about 30 min. ago, 2 hours late, Jeff left for UT. He is hauling our big trailer, and has to find a way around local roadblocks and freeway entrance closures, but he is comming H O M E ! Yipee ! ( Getting out MY hog ties and handcuffs ) Oh yea, Im sorry if I offended anyone in that last, tired post.; / I didnt mean anything when I called your rubber garden hose dumb 3 times. Lisa ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #243
This message is from: vivian creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have added a link for the cones round at Fair Hill on my website under Mira's page. I'll update her page with photos as soon as I get some. If anyone has marathon footage of something other than the water hazard please let me know. vivian creigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rainbowendfjords.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re anesthesia for castration
This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My horses and my goats are put under anesthesia for castration. I held one of my first male baby goats while he was castrated (told it was not that big a deal), no anesthesia, and vowed I would never, never castrate an animal like that again!!! Animal care facilities are there to provide the best care available for your pet. A facility that offers the best, AND, gives the owner all options is simply doing it's job. Of course it is ok to say "no" to a vet/procedure. As for the horse gelded in the clinic..owner choice. My colt was gelded on my propertyand yes, he was anesthetized.I had a clean area to geld him and for him to recover. Maybe the other owner did not. LJBL in WI On 10/28/07 6:15 AM, "Linda Lehnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Linda Lehnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Great posting, Lisa! Some people just show a lack of common sense and > selfishness in these situations and never think of what the smoke and > contaminants it contains does to their lungs or the lives of the rescuers who > have to go in to help them when it's almost too late. I admire Jeff and all > of the rescuers who put their lives on the line each and every day for others. > As we now know, two of the fires were arson. I hope they catch the > perpetrators and send them away where they can't do that anymore. I suspect > arsonists are similar to child molesters in that that they are never cured of > the urges and the most that can be done is to catch them and send them away to > protect the public. What do you think, Jean G? > > I thought of some simple, but common sense little things to prepare for an > emergency of any type while I was watching the fire news on CNNI. First, if > you take medication, have all your medication in one place so you can quickly > put it in a ziploc bag and then into a tote bag of some sort. Also do that > with contact lens solution and extra pairs of CL and glasses if you wear them. > These are things that you must take with you if you have to leave quickly > You can put personal papers like birth certificates and marriage licenses, > Social Security and VA records in a folder to grab quickly and take with you. > This came in handy for me Monday when I had to take my very sick oldest cat to > a large vet clinic 2 hours away and the idiot local vet didn't tell me she was > going to send little Sonja there when I saw her on Sunday, but waited until I > brought her back at 3 PM Monday and we had to stay overnight so she could have > an ultrasound. Please pray for poor Sonja, she's very sick. > > Jerry, the article on saying no to your vet is excellent. I watch a German > program regularly, "Menschen, Tieren and Doktoren," (People, Animals and > Doctors) and always amazed at how many ultrasounds and CAT scans they do on > small animals of all types here. And I once saw a vet admit a horse to the > hospital and put him under general anesthesia just to geld him. Maybe it's > different now but I never saw that in the US. The doctor at this clinic where > I had Sonja recommended an endoscopy, but I had to decline because it is just > too expensive and I know the excellent vet I had in Mexico wouldn't want to do > that. We have to remember that we are the clients, the ones who pay the bill, > and the animals are the patients and we have to put limits on the vets > sometimes. > > I hope you are all safe and that Jeff will be able to come home soon. > > Linda in Guben > > > > _ > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger > http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wl > mailtagline > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Santiago Fire update
This message is from: "Reena Giola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lisa very well written. you hit the nail on the head: IT'S JUST STUFF.. The life of your loved ones, whether human or fuzzy animal is worth WAY MORE then the stuff. Hugs to Jeff and you. tell him THANK YOU along with all of the firefighters who are fighting the fires Reena arizona - Original Message - > I have read some tips here and on other lists about what to do IF ) you DECIDE to stay with your home in face of a manditory evacuation order. Bad idea, sorry. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Emergencies--fire and other natural disasters
This message is from: "safreivald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I normally would just comment and let it go, but I have included the entirety of Lisa Pederson's post below. It bears reading again and yet again. As a retired volunteer EMS person with the local fire department when we lived in upstate NY, I can only say, "Amen, and amen." She so has the right of it and has said it so well. This is one with Lisa's permission that I would like to cross post to several lists as well as sending on to family members (well, the family has heard the gospel from me before). Sue Freivald. Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:21:41 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Santiago Fire update This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi guys. Jeffs back on the fire line today, after spending the night running calls on his " regular " medic unit. Life go's on, and even people in his area who do not have fire related needs, get rides to the hospltal all day and night. Today, Jeff is up Silverado Canyon putting water into the helicoptors as they work all day trying to hold back the fire from getting down into the canyon from the top, which is heavy with old growth oaks and scrubb. Last night, the Santiago peak had fire reaching the top, which cannot be fought from the ground, but they did have alot of air support and have managed to keep the major front from burning down into Silverado as of mid-night. There are still 2,000 homes near there threatened. They expect a " mild " Santa Ana wind condition on Mon. which will not be welcome. The communities of Lake Elseanor, Corona, Norco and Riverside are nearby, but waiting for now. Everyone in the canyon is evacuated. Mojaska and Williams canyons next door have lost 22 structures, 12 homes at least are totally gone, all lost on that horrible first 2-3 days when no extra personal or air support was in place. The park across the street from Jeffs station in Tustin is gone. The deer are still around, must have taken refuage in peoples green back yards, and they are happy munching on all of the acorns. The friendly mountian lion who used to sit in the mornings across from the station ( much to the guys delight ! ) has moved on. Hope he is ok. Hope he has enough deer to eat this winter. Jeff went up yesterday to see some of the streets that he fought fire from backyards on during the first 2 days, Sun. and Mon. This is when they had no extra teams, just their own crew. It was his regular crew who had to escape flames into their " shake and bake " suits, one block over, and where Jeff, working on an overtime crew, took an ember to his face. They personally saved many homes. The people will never know. The homes that were lost are affecting the Fire crews personally. This is their neighborhood. They have both comfort seeing standing the homes that they had HOPED survived, but wernt sure did !.and trying to absorb the reality that they couldnt save them all. At least the PEOPLE, Pets and livestock all got out, even the ones who thought they could " shelter in place " and ended up yelling for rescue when the flames reached them. Now I get emotional. Pissed off more like it. It sounds sort of " romantic " " brave " " courageous " . " shelter in place. " I have other thoughts. These are MY thoughts, not nessessary Jeffs. You dont want to hear his. I have read some tips here and on other lists about what to do IF ) you DECIDE to stay with your home in face of a manditory evacuation order. Bad idea, sorry. I dont even like to see TIPSabout letting horses go, taking refuge in homes and vehicles, someone staying behind with that stupid stupid stupid rubber garden hose. Did you see any of the coverage during the winds of homes going down ? Do you really think that your home would be " saved " by a drip of water and you on your roof ? When the flames reach you, your hose will melt. When the flames reach you, there will be no power, no water. By the time the flames reach you, the heat, poison gas's and wind have already taken you off the capacity of fighting fire. If you now and they DO, call for help or try to make a run for it, you will be risking the lives of firefighters, sheriffs, EMS personal, other neighbors ect. ( most working without the benifit of breathing aperatus, flame resistant suits ect. ) by your defiance. You, by waiting.and choosing to IGNORE, and DEFY, and CHOOSING to remain around to protect your STUFF. You are not only impacting you. It is the ultimate in selfishness. It is not what you would advise other family members to do, right ? Think of your family members in some other place. yet people never apply advice to themselves. They think it wont reach them. They think if it doesit wont be that bad. I have heard this one" oh if it really got here, we would jump into a pool, spa "NOT. It can take 10 min. for a fire to blow over, and even without anything burning, the super heated air and gas's from the fire storm will kil
CA fires, saying no to the vet
This message is from: Linda Lehnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Great posting, Lisa! Some people just show a lack of common sense and selfishness in these situations and never think of what the smoke and contaminants it contains does to their lungs or the lives of the rescuers who have to go in to help them when it's almost too late. I admire Jeff and all of the rescuers who put their lives on the line each and every day for others. As we now know, two of the fires were arson. I hope they catch the perpetrators and send them away where they can't do that anymore. I suspect arsonists are similar to child molesters in that that they are never cured of the urges and the most that can be done is to catch them and send them away to protect the public. What do you think, Jean G? I thought of some simple, but common sense little things to prepare for an emergency of any type while I was watching the fire news on CNNI. First, if you take medication, have all your medication in one place so you can quickly put it in a ziploc bag and then into a tote bag of some sort. Also do that with contact lens solution and extra pairs of CL and glasses if you wear them. These are things that you must take with you if you have to leave quickly. You can put personal papers like birth certificates and marriage licenses, Social Security and VA records in a folder to grab quickly and take with you. This came in handy for me Monday when I had to take my very sick oldest cat to a large vet clinic 2 hours away and the idiot local vet didn't tell me she was going to send little Sonja there when I saw her on Sunday, but waited until I brought her back at 3 PM Monday and we had to stay overnight so she could have an ultrasound. Please pray for poor Sonja, she's very sick. Jerry, the article on saying no to your vet is excellent. I watch a German program regularly, "Menschen, Tieren and Doktoren," (People, Animals and Doctors) and always amazed at how many ultrasounds and CAT scans they do on small animals of all types here. And I once saw a vet admit a horse to the hospital and put him under general anesthesia just to geld him. Maybe it's different now but I never saw that in the US. The doctor at this clinic where I had Sonja recommended an endoscopy, but I had to decline because it is just too expensive and I know the excellent vet I had in Mexico wouldn't want to do that. We have to remember that we are the clients, the ones who pay the bill, and the animals are the patients and we have to put limits on the vets sometimes. I hope you are all safe and that Jeff will be able to come home soon. Linda in Guben _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wl mailtagline The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
