Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #18
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/22/2008 3:47:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is based on feeding whole oats. You feed as much or as little whole oats as each individual horse requires. You balance the deficiencies in oats by adding a supplemnt called Just-Add-Oats. This ensures that each horse gets the proper calcium to phosphorous ratio and all the minerals and vitamins they need, while not having to eat huge amounts of feed to get them. Then you also add a fat supplement which slows the absorbtion of the starches in the oats so as not to get those peaks and valleys of blood sugars and insulin, and also to provide the fats that horses need. So do you just put out containers and let them eat all that they want? I would think some breeds (Fjords, ponies, mustangs, donkeys, etc) would eat too much. Or are they supposed to balance out after they get what their systems need? I would like to know how this goes, as I have a 30+ year old pony who doesn't like her senior unless we buy John Lyons, which is loaded with molasses. She has lost most of her teeth and has choked repeatedly on hay. Patty **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Norwegian Puppies
This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello All, Anyone looking for the perfect companion and cart dog. Our Norwegian Buhund is pregnant with 6-7 puppies for a March 3rd due date. Puppies will be available to go home in the summer time. Contact me directly. Thanks. Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - "The Horse Garden" & Hundehaven - "The Dog Heaven" www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-541-825-3027 Southern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Starfire Quadrille
This message is from: Susan Cargill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As many of you know the Starfire Quadrille is participating in the National Western Stock Show in Denver tomorrow night. Beth and the Jumping Quadrille were featured on a national affiliate of a local station this morning on early morning news. This evening the Jumping Quadrille have a run thru with the Dancing with Horses Group at the Stock Show - 9:00 PM to 11:00 PM, the interview this morning was live at 6:40 AM - I know Jeanne Poirer has it recorded and would probably be willing to share copies. What I really love is that these are not highly trained fjords but "highly loved" fjords who will do what is asked of them and do it well. Susan Cargill - Longtheway Farm The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: tree chewing
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We recycle our Christmas tree by tossing it in the pasture and the horses have a grand time! By spring there is just about nothing left and the Fjords have a great play toy. You just have to make sure it's not flocked or tinted. It has to be totally natural. The other thing to watch for is if your horse is allergic to pine. Some horses have shown a reaction to pine shavings so I wouldn't let them have the tree. Roberta MN - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: tree chewing > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I think horses will chew on trees in winter if the trees are there. If my > husband is doing wood, he will throw in some top branches and they are on > them in a flash. It is a winter behavior. > Valerie > Columbia, CT > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Feeding issues
This message is from: Susan Cargill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had a great time meeting the ladies from South Carolina that organize a wonderful fjord event. Kate and Joe (well, Joe wasn't there) were in attendance. Kate - the reason I feed hay cubes is that I'm allergic to the hay, and the horses and pretty much everything that goes with them. I'd much prefer to use good grass hay because I love the sound of the horses munching on the hay. We did have a wonderful time meeting new people in Lexington at the Annual Meeting - the very enthusiastic contingent from South Carolina made me wish I lived closer so I could attend their fjord event. It sounded like lots of fun. They actually sleep in the barn with the horses so the attendees can sleep in late. I've never attended an event where the organizers are willing to sleep in the barn and take care of my horses so I can sleep in. What luxury. I have some contacts within Nutrena and those who have tried to find it in their area but have not been successful - send me an email privately and I will try my best. Phil Odden mentioned being at the Annual Meeting in Lexington. The Evaluation Committee sponsored a Conference for Evaluators, Board Members, including members of the Evaluation Committee in October at Longtheway Farm. The group reviewed questions that had been presented by evaluation participants, concerns of the evaluators, concerns of the Board and concerns of the Evaluation Committee. As secretary of the Evaluation Committee we compiled lots of questions, concerns and possible changes. The Evaluation Committee has been working since October on these possible changes. Since the Evaluation Committee is comprised of four Board members and Mike May, executive director, it was decided to meet prior to the NFHR Board Meeting. We accomplished a great deal. Wayne Hipsley, a senior evaluator, consulted. I also had the opportunity to meet two wonderful women from Michigan who drove down for the Annual Mtg. Both have been involved with the Registry for many years, in fact, it was fun to meet the person who was Registrar prior to Mike May. The Board of the NFHR has been moving their Face 2 Face around the country and rumors have it they are moving further West next year. If you have the opportunity, join them for the Annual Meeting. You will be most welcome and it will be a fun and informative experience. Susan Cargill - Longtheway Farm P.S. Sandy North, one of the editors of the Fjord Herald and Jeanne Poirer, of Starfire Farm Quadrille fame and an amazing website designer were also in attendance. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Thank you
This message is from: Debbie Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Fjordhorse enthusiasts, I read posts every day and have learned so much. I want to publicly thank Patti Jo Walters for doing an outstanding job with Ivar (the 4 yr old gelding she mentioned in this post). He is my boy. I sent him to Patti Jo the 1st of December as a horse who had very little training. She came highly recommended and I know why! She has been amazing. I live in KY so don't have the luxury of watching his progress but Patti Jo communicates via e-mail almost daily and I almost feel like I am there with her detailed descriptions of his progress. I would highly recommend Patti Jo to anyone that needs their horse trained. I can't wait to get him back the end of February! Debbie in KY (patiently waiting for Ivar's return) This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Been a SUPER year in 2007 here at FCF, 2008 starting out like last year, GETTING SOME FANTASTIC Fjords in on consignment. So excited again this year. I'm just blessed to get to work with so many different bloodlines, so many different horses and so many WONDERFUL owners and then selling the horses and meeting even more wonderful folks who bought the horse. It's a great line of work. It's not easy selling horses and I do my homework and only take good quality Fjords in on consignment. I'm not out there just to sell horses, I want a great sale. Where FCF gets a friend for life and you get a friend in your Fjord for life. Can only do that with quality Fjords. And, it starts with the breeding.I have a couple of really nice quiet and nicely trained mares coming in this week. I have a nice perfect aged team, or they can be sold seperate as they both drive single and both ride. I have several young ones coming in the spring, they are all currently driving and lightly being ridden, we will here at FCF put more finishing touches on them. I also know of a SUPER gelding that we started here at FCF and then sold and he is solid BN event horse. He is easy to keep and easy to ride/handle. Super boy. So again this year, I hopefully can help you find that right Fjord for you/your needs.Have a few training horses at the moment and several lined up for spring/summer. If you are considering some training, make sure to contact me early, as things are filling up. One in for training I'm also thrilled with. Ivar, 4 yr old gelding. A bit too slow / quiet to start butwe got him going nicely and I'm just thrilled with this boy, his owner is gonna have a blast with him when he goes home end of Feb.Few additions to FCF, I bought TUF Voss this last year. Warning you all now , I WILL WIN THE BAREBACK CLASS AT BE this year!!! The boy has the smoothest canter. We are using him in our lesson program and he is awesome. I think TUF has some of the BEST horses out there, Rich and Nancy really produced some wonderful horses!! I also bought Los Trigos Heather. I was gonna lease her this year, but then just decided to buy her. She is a GREAT driving horse and I am hoping to do Villa and Columbus this year and have some fun driving. I still have my TB and will do a BN event with him this year as well. Sorry had to add that, he's a COOL horse! GREAT jumper! Eby will probably take Voss or Tomas, as they both jump as well. We have been using Tomas in the lesson program as well. Tomas just has to learn to stay calmer when jumping he LOVES it too much. Sothe year is starting to get planned out and I'm sure it will fly by like always but I could not be happier with how it's all coming together. Patti Jo Walter www.franciscreekfjords.com Please note NEW email address [EMAIL PROTECTED]The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Nancy Hotovy" Thank you so much for the compliment Patti. Voss is a really great horse. Just to let you know that BE isn't decided yet :-) I just came in from riding 6 miles on back roads and trails bareback on TUF Annie (1/2 sister to Voss). Riding with chaps and bareback is the best way to stay warm on a winter ride - especially in the snow and wind. It was beautiful - big white flakes in the woods - horizontal flakes in the fields. As we have slowly but surely been downsizing, we are now sadly offering for sale the mares that we had kept back for ourselves (performance and breeding quality). One is a 10-year-old daughter of TUF Reba and Anvil's Gra Viking. She is bred for a March foal to Dundarling Tatonka (will probably be grey as she has always produced grey when bred to grey). She is a been there/done that mare. Has been used single, team, unicorn, 4-up and tandem. Will sell her with foal by her side or with her daughter TUF Mia - 4 year old filly x Rokida's Haakon. Mia and her dam are a perfect match - same size, same way of going. Las
Re: Thank you
This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I must say I am VERY pleased with both fjords I got from Rich and Nancy Hotovy. If I wanted to buy another horse, I'd get one from them. If you're in the market, look at a TUF horse for sure. Bonnie in CA - Original Message - From: "Nancy Hotovy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: Thank you This message is from: "Nancy Hotovy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you so much for the compliment Patti. Voss is a really great horse. Just to let you know that BE isn't decided yet :-) I just came in from riding 6 miles on back roads and trails bareback on TUF Annie (1/2 sister to Voss). Riding with chaps and bareback is the best way to stay warm on a winter ride - especially in the snow and wind. It was beautiful - big white flakes in the woods - horizontal flakes in the fields. As we have slowly but surely been downsizing, we are now sadly offering for sale the mares that we had kept back for ourselves (performance and breeding quality). One is a 10-year-old daughter of TUF Reba and Anvil's Gra Viking. She is bred for a March foal to Dundarling Tatonka (will probably be grey as she has always produced grey when bred to grey). She is a been there/done that mare. Has been used single, team, unicorn, 4-up and tandem. Will sell her with foal by her side or with her daughter TUF Mia - 4 year old filly x Rokida's Haakon. Mia and her dam are a perfect match - same size, same way of going. Last summer was Mia's first time out as a driving horse. She went to Horse Progress Days and worked alongside the geldings, in the 4-abreast hitch and also was in the lead in the 4-up hitch at Blue Earth. These are VERY nice mares and extremely difficult for me to part with. As always, we have bred for the great fjord temperment as well as conformation. Please e-mail for pictures if interested. Delivery is an option. Always, always, enjoy your horses! Nancy Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:41:39 -0600 From: "Dave and Patti Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fjords for sale in East Central WI Few additions to FCF, I bought TUF Voss this last year. Warning you all now , I WILL WIN THE BAREBACK CLASS AT BE this year!!! The boy has the smoothest canter. We are using him in our lesson program and he is awesome. I think TUF has some of the BEST horses out there, Rich and Nancy really produced some wonderful horses!! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Simple feeding
This message is from: "Lois Anne Starr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Folks: Have been following the feeding discussion and have to agree with Eric K. regarding feeding. My philosophy is KISS (Keep It Simple Silly). My guys don't get any supplemental feed because 1. it makes them too hot and 2. they get so fat on it! I am very fortunate in having a very good supply of inexpensive hay (this does not equate with cheap!) that I get in round bales. The bale is kept in a hay yard separate from the dry lot and my 3 are allowed in the hay yard for 2-3 hours each feeding unless we have exceptionally cold weather (like -15 below last night) at which point they get as much as they want. Observation of how long it takes for them to finish a rationed amount of hay (before switching to roundies) has determined how long they access to the "buffet". The hay is an alfalfa/mixed seed and native grasses that my guys have done very well on. They get nice thisck soft winter coats and shed out very slick and shiny in the summer. I do have to reduce their feed times when I am getting fresh cut bales at the beginning of the season because they pork up very fast on it. Once the bales have aged a couple months they are back on their full ration. They also get 12:12 and trace mineral blocks free choice. Sunny, the Appy/Arab is the only one who gets extra feed in the fall as he seems to winter better with a bit of weight on him. Once he is up to the weight I want him at (and he grows his winter coat) he too goes back to just hay for the winter. Sunny's supplemental feed consists of alfalfa pellets, a little COB and beet pellets all very well soaked as a hot mash. Any extra weight left from winter feeding gets worked off in the warmer months so their amounts actually remain pretty consistent throughout the year. So far there have been no skin, allergy or digestive issues. Hooves are in great shape, in fact Sunny has only had one minor trim in 6 years as he has very consistent even wear. Lana and Geier also have slightly longer intervals between trims, about 8-10 weeks, but I think it has to do with our ground here because even they don't have much trimmed off when it is needed. All three have very good hooves and are barefoot on rocky ground with little to no chipping and no cracking. In fact Lana had a front hoof crack when I first got her that has long since gone away. Anyway, I try to keep feeding as simple as possible but I also feel the key is having excellent quality hay preferably from the same origin. I do have to say that in the fall, Sunny seems to have the urge to chew wood for about a month or so. Several people have mentioned putting logs in for them to chew, so I will definitely try that this fall. He doesn't do it at any other time of year. Sorry this is so long... Hope everyone is well and staying warm out there! -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Nutrena Lite
This message is from: "Pat Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I know of many people who switched to Nutrena Lite Balance after the 25th Anniversary Show but will let them speak for themselves. I wrote about feeding Nutrena Lite a couple years ago, it wasn't by choice, our local/long time feed provider switched from Purina to Nutrena - I really like the Lite product. All of my Fjord horses, and those in training with me are on it. I use a Nutrena 14% Omalene mixture - growth (with Molasses) on the youngsters and one very old pony (not Fjord). I also use the Nutrena Lite product on one Irish Sport Horse. The amount given (anywhere between 1/2 lb per feeding to 1 1/2 lbs per feeding - twice a day) depends on: age weight amount of work individual demeanor predisposed to injuries their free choice intake and what kind of shape they came to me in (I've had them come to me obese and underweight) And most importantly the quality of hay given. Our hay is tested. The above formula is when the horses are in a controlled eating environment, in the spring if they are on pasture (for Fjords - more than a split second) then all of the above needs to be reanalyzed and reconfigured. If I had known about the Nutrena Lite product earlier, I would have used it. I am pleased with the results. Thinking now, I don't think I've ever fed two horses exactly the same, ever. Pat Holland, where if we get anymore snow here in NW Illinois I'm going to wrap the Nobel Prize around Al Gore's neck! ; ) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
MWFHC Winter Meeting info on website
This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The information for the Winter Meeting of the Midwest Fjord Horse Club is now on our website: http://mwfhc.org/ Click on "Events". Dawn tells me that reservations for the meeting need to be sent to her by February 8th There is a meeting reservation form and agenda on the website, if you need a fresh copy. There is also the latest edition of the MWFHC Horse Show Handbook on the website. Click on "Club Info", then click on "Horse Show Handbook". I will get the latest newsletters and ads uploaded when I get that information in hand. DeeAnna The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
tree chewing
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think horses will chew on trees in winter if the trees are there. If my husband is doing wood, he will throw in some top branches and they are on them in a flash. It is a winter behavior. Valerie Columbia, CT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Thank you
This message is from: "Nancy Hotovy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you so much for the compliment Patti. Voss is a really great horse. Just to let you know that BE isn't decided yet :-) I just came in from riding 6 miles on back roads and trails bareback on TUF Annie (1/2 sister to Voss). Riding with chaps and bareback is the best way to stay warm on a winter ride - especially in the snow and wind. It was beautiful - big white flakes in the woods - horizontal flakes in the fields. As we have slowly but surely been downsizing, we are now sadly offering for sale the mares that we had kept back for ourselves (performance and breeding quality). One is a 10-year-old daughter of TUF Reba and Anvil's Gra Viking. She is bred for a March foal to Dundarling Tatonka (will probably be grey as she has always produced grey when bred to grey). She is a been there/done that mare. Has been used single, team, unicorn, 4-up and tandem. Will sell her with foal by her side or with her daughter TUF Mia - 4 year old filly x Rokida's Haakon. Mia and her dam are a perfect match - same size, same way of going. Last summer was Mia's first time out as a driving horse. She went to Horse Progress Days and worked alongside the geldings, in the 4-abreast hitch and also was in the lead in the 4-up hitch at Blue Earth. These are VERY nice mares and extremely difficult for me to part with. As always, we have bred for the great fjord temperment as well as conformation. Please e-mail for pictures if interested. Delivery is an option. Always, always, enjoy your horses! Nancy Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:41:39 -0600 From: "Dave and Patti Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fjords for sale in East Central WI Few additions to FCF, I bought TUF Voss this last year. Warning you all now , I WILL WIN THE BAREBACK CLASS AT BE this year!!! The boy has the smoothest canter. We are using him in our lesson program and he is awesome. I think TUF has some of the BEST horses out there, Rich and Nancy really produced some wonderful horses!! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Patti Walters-Cart question.
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes Bernadine, more info please! Is there a website? Thanks, Jen On 1/22/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello Patti and other listers, > Greetings from frozen Michigan! > My choice for an all around cart is called a Country Marathon Cart. It is > from Claudette Robinson in Columbus, NC. I needed something easier to get > into and a cart that I could use in the fields and woods. This is a super > cart > for getting into, as it has an extra step. It is comfortable and very well > made. I use it on a 13.2 and a 14.2 horse, with no problem and even though I > have had it since 2001, it still looks like new and has saved my show cart a > lot of wear and tear. Let me know if you want more information. > > Bernadine Karns > Nottawa Crossing Fjords > > > > > > > **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Hay Cubes and feed
This message is from: Eric Kozowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Erin Yanish wrote: Quite honestly as long as you have a good quality hay (get it tested) and a mineral lick they should maintain just fine. Only under special circumstances do we feed grain. This discussion on feed has been interesting to me. It is surprising to me all the different things people feed their horses. I only feed clean grass hay and have a mineral block available. We have a Fjord, a QH and a TB. They all have nice coats, good hooves and no medical problems (I probably just jinxed myself). I'll feed a sweet feed if a horse has been working hard, but other than that, no grain. Of course, they also have 24x7 access to fresh water (from a creek). In the wild it runs around all day (getting exercise) and has access to a variety of food sources that complete their diet. When they are penned up, you need to take the time to understand what they need nutrition wise and supply it. That may mean adding or subtracting to their diet. I think that the heart of the matter. From what I've seen, penned/stalled horses seem to have more digestive "issues" than horses that are turned out. It seems to be even worse if they get all kinds of grain and/or supplements. A horse's digestive system is designed for low nutritional content forage and to be moving regularly. The more their environment gets away from that, they more problems they seem to have. With all that said, I do think there is a place for grain, supplements, etc. for horses that are old or have specific health problems that are being addressed. But, in my opinion, most people over think feeding their horses. -- Eric Kozowski Joseph, OR "You can see what man made from the seat of an automobile, but the best way to see what god made is from the back of a horse." - Charles M. Russell The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Patti Walters-Cart question.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Patti and other listers, Greetings from frozen Michigan! My choice for an all around cart is called a Country Marathon Cart. It is from Claudette Robinson in Columbus, NC. I needed something easier to get into and a cart that I could use in the fields and woods. This is a super cart for getting into, as it has an extra step. It is comfortable and very well made. I use it on a 13.2 and a 14.2 horse, with no problem and even though I have had it since 2001, it still looks like new and has saved my show cart a lot of wear and tear. Let me know if you want more information. Bernadine Karns Nottawa Crossing Fjords **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: feeding horses/fjords
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Debby, I have been very impressed by Triple Crown feeds from my research into them. They also make a guaranteed low NSC (low carbs and sugars) chopped grass feed that sounds perfect for the horses that are insulin resistant or that we worry will become IR. Problem is: none of the feed suppliers in my area carry Triple Crown. Bummer. I was feeding all my horses Garlic (a product called EquiGarlic) and Diatomaceous Earth (a product called DE36) and that combo works wonders. although like you, I still have to bug spray my horses. But if I don't feed them the 2 above supplements, I see a huge amount of insects coming around. I just switched to Bug Check because I spoke to DR. Dan the Natural Vet and he is very very sure of himself and his product! He claims it will work BETTER than what I was doing. I am very skeptical, but decided to give it a try just incase he is correct! I have basically switched over to his entire routine based on my conversation with him. He guarantees (a dangerous thing to do!) that my TWH with an allergy to the Culliicioides Fly saliva (i.e. sweet itch or allergy to Gnat bites) will be CURED by the regime he set me up with. I figure I spend so much money on Chinese Herbs and Vinegar and Spirulina etc. etc. that I may as well spend the same amount on his products! I also think that because we have spoken in person, if it doesn't work, he'll be responsive and helpful to figure it out or give me my money back (ha! wishful thinking!) Jen On 1/22/08, Debby Stai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I feed the Bug Check from the Natural Horse Vet...I've been feeding it for > years now, and although I still have to spray for flies and I have an auto fly > system, I can't stand flies...I do see a difference if I run outand I like > the DE it leavs in the manure... > I don't feed oats, I'd understood them to be high starch and my guys need less > starch...I feed TC Lite, they get about 2lbs a day, the small pony less, but > its made to feed less but gives them the vitamins/minerals they needIt is > a pellet though, for those that don't like pelleted feed...but Triple Crown is > good stuffThey also have a wonderful forage, a grass mix, that has some > vege oil and the Lite grain added to it...you could just feed it and not have > to worry about adding grain > Debby in Tx > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
feeding horses/fjords
This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I feed the Bug Check from the Natural Horse Vet...I've been feeding it for years now, and although I still have to spray for flies and I have an auto fly system, I can't stand flies...I do see a difference if I run outand I like the DE it leavs in the manure... I don't feed oats, I'd understood them to be high starch and my guys need less starch...I feed TC Lite, they get about 2lbs a day, the small pony less, but its made to feed less but gives them the vitamins/minerals they needIt is a pellet though, for those that don't like pelleted feed...but Triple Crown is good stuffThey also have a wonderful forage, a grass mix, that has some vege oil and the Lite grain added to it...you could just feed it and not have to worry about adding grain Debby in Tx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjord name plates
This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks to the list for all your ideas on name plates for fjords! I had not thought of wood burning or rosemaling. Bonnie in CA - Original Message - From: "kelly MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:51 AM Subject: RE: fjord name plates This message is from: kelly MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Bonnie, My little sister makes the most beautiful name plates by using a little wood burner my father bought her. She finds a nice piece of wood, burns the name and then puts on a coat of varnish. Kelly From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> Subject: fjord name plates> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:16:15 -0800> > This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Hi List,> Does anyone have a good idea for making name plates (to go on the stall > door) for their fjords? I can paint, work with metal or wood. Thanks for any > ideas offered!> Bonnie MacCurdy> and Sunny, Stormy, and Tonka> > - Original Message - From: "Jean Ernest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:45 PM> Subject: Re: Regarding Felting, Spinning and Genetics 2nd Attempt!> > > > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> > The fur that I save, mostly from old Bjarne, is soft, pretty long fibers > > from his belly, mostly, and a cream color. Not too many guard hairs early > > in the spring (and before the packed snow turns to mud). I saved several > > bags of it, but found no one to want to spin it, and then the squirrels > > got into it. Maybe I'll try again this spring!> >> > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it warmed up top +10 today after a record > > snowfall yesterday.> >> > At 09:55 AM 1/18/2008, you wrote:> >>*As regards the felting of Fjord fur I personally found the > >>discussion> >>interesting, granted not as stimulating as the genetics topic, butI do> >>spin wool during the winter when it is just too nasty and miserable to be> >>outside for any length of time. I too had wondered about how well Fjord > >>fur> >>would spin but was concerned about the silkiness and shortness of staple.> >>Since I have plenty of Corridale wool to work with I will certainly keep > >>the> >>suggestion of mixing it in mind when I get a large enough supply of Fjord> >>fur! Now if the lovely golden color can be maintainedSo thank you to> >>those fellow fiber artists who love their Fjordies!> >> > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at:> > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw> > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at:> http://tinyurl.com/rcepw> > _ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
NFHR Annual Meeting
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I confess that I don't pay a lot of attention to the NFHR, other than sending in my dues and wondering what the heck the board members do. But this year my friends convinced me to attend the annual meeting. What a wonderful time we had. I never imagined I would meet so many interesting and enthusiastic people and have so much fun attending an annual meeting! I was so impressed by how hard our board members work on making this an effective, progressive organization, and how dedicated they are to the breed. And also, we felt so incredibly welcomed. Next year's meeting is scheduled to be someplace warmer - if you can possibly make plans to attend, DO IT!! And when you get the call or email asking for help on a committee, jump at the chance! For me, it was just flat out exciting to meet so many of the people I correspond with (I don't really get out much to meet people and ponies) - kind of like taking the Hollywood Tour of Stars. And yes, as we all suspected in our heart of hearts, really all anybody wanted was to talk about was Joe, basically the best pony ever. Kate with Joe (who has suggested we incorporate and start his own fan club) and Della (who notes that Joe's ego is really only rivaled by my own) **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re:Hay Cubes?
This message is from: Erin Yanish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A caution on hay cubes: Many people do not know this but I have heard that they will just throw a whole hay bale (twine and all, quality bale or not) in and chop it up and then make the cube. Then it is in limbo for some time before it hits the shelf and then you buy it. I have heard this from more than one source. The alternative I learned about is using a mulcher. Then you know the quality hay going into your horse, and they are very easy to operate. This is also much fresher with more nutrients. In the long run it is also cheaper. Grain pellets can be the same way in that they will use grain (corn etc) from all different sources and then make it into a pellet. The only problem is that there are traces of mold than can be found in the pellet because they use such a variety and moldy corn can be found in numerous places. We switched to using a feed called Scamper's Choice ( www.scamperschoicehorsefeed.com ) for our horses that are performing. It is roasted and they only make it on certain dates so it is always fresh. We found that we are only feeding half the quantity to our horses i. e. We had a mare that was on another feed where we were feeding 3 coffee cans full...now she is maintaining on only 1- 1 1/2 coffee can. The key is that this feed will not pass through like the others because it is roasted. My husband loves it because he noticed a difference in their hooves, much more stronger. For our fjord friends we only do beet pulp and a 1/4 c calf manna. This way they don't feel left out of the herd. Quite honestly as long as you have a good quality hay (get it tested) and a mineral lick they should maintain just fine. Only under special circumstances do we feed grain. These are things we have found along the way from personal experience and they work for us. There are many ways to take care of a horse that are different than this and they also work. The point it to consciously know what and why you are doing it. Many people just give their horses grain because they think they need it when in reality they are creating an obese animal that will have health and hoof complications later. Again, be responsible. Your horse has access only to what you give it. In the wild it runs around all day (getting exercise) and has access to a variety of food sources that complete their diet. When they are penned up, you need to take the time to understand what they need nutrition wise and supply it. That may mean adding or subtracting to their diet. Erin, with 7 fjordies, 3 quarters, and one happy little arse named Ownie www.vistaridgefarms.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I probably spend more time thinking about what to feed my horses than my family!! Why feed hay cubes over hay? Is it easier? Better control over calories? Susan noted that she feeds the hay cubes, and then also uses loose hay. Since my barn owner has again switched back to hay bales, I am again looking at options to tell him to stop putting the round bales in the Fjord pasture (they share with a Percheron who would keep them away from flakes that he got individually if they could get by on hay cubes) Kate with Joe (basically, the best pony ever) and Della (the lovely one) **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: feed, fence eating
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am obsesses with equine nutrition, and the biggest problem I have found is that when feeding "easy keepers" like many Fjords, and like one of my TWH mares, you run up against this problem: The commercial feeds are designed to only provide the correct vitamin and mineral ballance when fed in a specific vollume which is TOO MUCH for the easy keepers. If you reduce the amount of feed, then they get shorted on the necessary vitamins and minerals, and their coats will show that shortage fairly quickly. So, the Nutrena Lie Ballance was designed to be a low starch low fat feed that is heavily fortified with Vitamins and minerals and can therefore be fed in smaller amounts and the horse will get what they need. Supposedly. I can't get Nutrena where I live, but I can get Acco, which is the same feed, just under a different name. I bought the Acco Golden Equine LIte, which is supposed to be (to my understanding) the same as NUtrena Lite Ballance. I did NOT like the feed. It is a pelleted feed (which is fine by me, although not very natural) and each different lot was a distinctly different color. Which told me that there was very little consistency in the ingredients used. After one lot/color change, 2 of my mares aged 8 & 9 who had never colliced in their lives, both colliced. My vet told me to get them off the feed--he does NOT like feeds which are inconsistent. Also, my mares skin became very flaky at the tail head and where the mane attatches to the neck. They were obviouls not getting the right amount of fat, despite the fact that they were also eating 6 ounces a day of an amazing Flax supplement called Glanzen 3 by horsetech. I have heard that horses will chew the bark off trees when they are not getting enough of something they need--usually vitamins and minerals. I am currently switching over to an entirely new horse feeding system that is expensive, but seems to make sense to me. If you are interested, I will let you know how it is going. The 'regime' is developed by The Natural Horse Vet--a western vetrinarian who has gone totally alternative. It is based on feeding whole oats. You feed as much or as little whole oats as each individual horse requires. You ballance the deficiencies in oats by adding a supplemnt called Just-Add-Oats. This ensures that each horse gets the proper calcium to phosphorous ratio and all the minerals and vitamins they need, while not having to eat huge amounts of feed to get them. Then you also add a fat supplement which slows the absorbtion of the starches in the oats so as not to get those peaks and valleys of blood sugars and insulin, and also to provide the fats that horses need. The concept is great. The question is: does it work? I have just started it. My horses LOVE it, and one mare is already even shinier than fitter looking than she was, and she looked great before I started it. I have my TWH's on it, and not my Fjord yet. But I will try her on it too . Basically, the Natural Vet says, and I agree with him, that commercial feeds are equivalent to junk food. THey have lots of Molasses in them, and sugar is not good for horses. period. They have the wrong kinds of fat added--usually corn oil which is not the right kind of fat, despite the fact that all commercial feeds use it. Etc. Horses in the wild eat the seed heads when grasses have matured and gone to seed (I have watched mine eat the seed heads off the Bahai grass we have) which is exactly what oats are--seed heads of grasses. where in the wild would a horse get a hold of pellets?! Anyway, that's something to think about! Jen On 1/21/08, Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I Think they start eating the fences and posts after the snow gets > them wet, and they are bored. We will cut aspen (poplar) saplings > and smaller trees and throw them in for them to chew. they clean > the bark off the young sapling, etc. and get their urge to chew satisfied. > > I think that feeding Ground flax also helps dampen their urge to chew > wood. I wonder if "Quit" has flax in it? > > I feed Nutrena Senior Life to my old Fjords. I don't think our feed > store has the Nutrena Lite , maybe they have "safe Choice" now. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where we are having unseasonably warm > weather because we sent the frigid arctic air down to you folks in the > Midwest. > > Also three days ago my horses > >started eating the fences and fence posts. They have not done this before and > >nothing has changed. Does the supplement "Quit" really work in 7 days like > >the > >guarantee says? I don't > >want this to become a habit. > >Debbie in NH > >_ > >Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > >http://biggestloser.msn.com/ > > > >The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > >http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List
