RE: Shipping
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol - A company named Bob Hubbard does the I-5 trip almost daily. They get over to the 101 weekly. Give them a call. They have a 800 number so I am sure they are listed. Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden Hundehaven - The Dog Heaven www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-541-825-3027 Southern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #136
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a Herm Sprenger Driving bit I need to sell. Top of the line bit, that I bought for my Fjord mare before I had to sell her. Only used a couple of times and in excellent condition. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=160253230533 Shari ~~Ink Brush Creations~~ Offering fine Art in Pen and Ink with watercolor wash, Graphite or Digital photography. http://www.inkandbrushcreations.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Shipping
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the company I was talking about. I am pretty sure they are economical, and the vans are much more comfortable than a regular horsetrailer, especially in the heat. If you need help getting to Golden Gate Fields, I might be able to find a shipper locally. Or, it is conceivable we could haul the horse to Red Bluff or Redding and hand him off there. I am leary of trailering a horse without the right insurance, but we may be going that direction in a couple weeks anyway. Gail Carol - A company named Bob Hubbard does the I-5 trip almost daily. They get over to the 101 weekly. Give them a call. They have a 800 number so I am sure they are listed. Catherine Lassesen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Cantering and proper training
This message is from: beth gerst [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the subject of cantering. With correct, proper training from the beginning I do believe any horse can learn to canter well and in a balanced correct frame. If we think back to the days where horses actually were free and ran in herds they all GALLOPED with one another which means there is no reason horses cannot learn to canter in a nice frame balancing the weight of the rider and their own body. Some horses will take much longer than others to learn the proper way and the rider must have an abundance of patience to get a well balanced canter done correctly. I do cringe when I see not just Fjords but other horse breeds in the show ring being run into the canter from this crazy fast trot then the horse takes off into a uncontrollable canter that looks like something out of a Thewell cartoon book. If the time is taken to correctly train the horse then the horse will easily produce a beautiful canter for the rider. I do believe that the horses confirmation will dictate how comfortable the canter will be as well as the trot on some horses. But, again correct training and teaching the horse to round his body and to balance himself will only improve all of his gaits not just the canter. The horse should be working from the hind end and not just dragging his rider from the front end which I see happen in this breed a lot. Good luck to all that are schooling the canter.give it time, patience and above all correct training from the beginning. Beth and Lex in CT. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Cantering and proper training/ mane trim
This message is from: Warren Stockwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just started taking lessons with Kaari in the Dressage style. First my daughter is working than me. I honestly don't have the skill to do it or the real interest but I am starting to now! I have found that rather than riding as though I am on the trail ( relaxed rein and body ) having the horse under me more and working off the back end it is easier to make a change. Now I don't know if I am saying this all right its the first lesson and we've been practicing since ( 4 days ). We have gotten closer to the canter than ever before. I find ( could be wrong ) that she has to be collected to even make the jump into the canter. If I don't set it up right before I ask I'm destine to fail. The question is why is it important ( yet effective ) to have contact with the mouth?? It seems to me that if the horse is right you should not be in it's mouth but relaxed not tight in the body but relaxed??? I've always been taught to leave 'em be when they're right . I've been told to train your horse to collect rather than hold them in. So this is rather confusing to my old brain. Maybe someone can give me some help with this. I'm not sure it won't end in a hard mouthed horse which equals less responsive right? Again new arena and old habits die hard. I just trimmed for the first time with a electric clippers! I've always done it with a scissors and find this works darn good and much faster! I find the high point on the neck ( where the natural arch is ) start there and work in a gradual decline twards the pole than to the withers. I use my hand/fingers as a guide for the leingth guage. seems to work fine. For a Fjord that has never had a electric clippers near her Kaari fell asleep!! Hastle free I love it!! Thanks, Roberta MN The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #135
This message is from: Caroline Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] About the riding tights for hot weather--it's hot here in the Sacramento Valley and I like the DevonAire 90% cotton riding tights or breeches better than anything. I don't throw them in the dryer though. Caroline Warren The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Cantering
This message is from: Sarah Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Think of the horse as a spring. If you push on one end of the spring you can move it from place to place, but in order to make the spring shorter you have to push on both ends. Now, if you just hang on the horses mouth you will create tension, but if you teach the horse to go forward from the leg and be received by the hand, the horse will round his whole top line and be in balance and be very soft in your hand. (not tight!) I have been teaching two students canter work using Fjords. I found that it is really effective to longe them on the horse in side reins. I teach them how to make the horse go forward to the reins without them using their hands. then I teach them how to do a trot to walk transition without using the reins. Then a canter - trot transition (again no reins.) This really opens their eyes that downward transitions are about going forward, not about yanking on the reins! Rember that you have to train the horse to compensate for your extra weight. The flat backed on the forehand posture that horses at liberty can use effectively doesn't work so well with a person and saddle in the middle of their back. It is also true that a horse can learn to carry themselves this way with less and less rider input, but they will always have tendency to uncoil the spring when you release the front end. The question is why is it important ( yet effective ) to have contact with the mouth?? It seems to me that if the horse is right you should not be in it's mouth but relaxed not tight in the body but relaxed??? I've always been taught to leave 'em be when they're right . I've been told to train your horse to collect rather than hold them in. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
CANTERING
This message is from: jerrell friz [EMAIL PROTECTED] There have been some excellent posts on this subject. Jasmine wrote, I always asked for it on a trail NOT in the arena. Cantering on a circle (even taking the turns in a large arena) it a whole different story and needs a horse to be coordinated and suple enough not to throw himself on the ground. Abby would have been terrified to be asked to canter in an arena at first because she knew that she would risk falling down in the corners. - Folks please reread this. THIS IS EXCELLENT ADVISE. Horses have a fear of falling, like dying. Might become a meal for the wolf. HORSES LEARN BY 2 WAYS. 1.Usually by their mother, and their pasture mates 2. By humans. When a horse is first born their brain is a clear slate, like getting a new hard drive. They first see movement, they try movement. They see their mother stand, they stand. They see their mother walk, they walk, etc. You get the idea, later on cantering. Humans, can teach horses to canter also, by using the correct tools and steps. HERE IS THE BIG PROBLEM. More and more people are stalling their horses, or keeping them in a small area where it would be IMPOSSIBLE to canter. I know of several breeders that have way to many horses on only a couple of acres. When buying a horse,, pay attention to where the horse lives If you buy a horse out of a stall, don't expect it to know how to canter. If you can't ride it,, get someone that can. If the, breeder, or owner,, says horse can't canter, say,,, good by See ya. OR, expect to pay lots in training I have a neighbor who has 14 non Fjord type horses, [breed of horse makes no difference] they are stalled 7-24's, some are almost 20 years old. I have observed , that when one of these horses is turned out for about 10 minutes, while the stall is being cleaned, they can hardly move, only turn in one direction, sometimes trip, and fall.. The owner ,will not listen to any suggestions. [He has 37 acres of hilly terrain, no fence, nothing but weeds and brush... perfect, for a big fire.] Sadly, this is becoming to common, all over.. HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW HORSES LEARN WITH OTHER HORSES. If you ever get a chance to see the IMAX movie, on White Horses, [I can't remember the exact name] you will see how the Europeans have for many, many years raised their horses. They simply turn their young horses out with others in a large herd, with plenty of room to run and play. Now, if one could turn a young Fjord horse out with these Lipizzaners for about 3 years, you would have a horse that moved like the herd, working off the rear end, lots of front action, rounded, all muscled out, not fat,,, etc., etc. Or, turn your Fjord horse out with a herd of Mustangs in Nevada, come back in 3 years, you can bet your cute, little Fordie will canter, and canter all day. I hope this makes sense to the folks that don't understand cantering. Regards, Jerry Friz, Anderson, Ca. PS. Horses don't have the brains to hate catering SORRY,, had to put that one in here. Ride and Drive your horses barrel to get the correct timing For your security this Message has been checked for Viruses as a courtesy of Com-Pair Services! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: CANTERING
This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am very new to this list and to Fjord ownership, but Jerrell's post makes sense to me! My Fjord gelding lives 23/7 in the pasture (born on the pasture, raised in the pasture, you get the idea). He is only 2, but his movement is beautiful when he is out there with the Paints, Quarterhorses, etc. (he is the only Fjord where I board). He comes in for a very short time every evening for supper (a light vitamin/mineral supplement) which is a reward for standing in a stall for one hour a day. The only reason he comes in, is to teach him barn manners for grooming, etc., or perish the thought an unfortunate incident where he might need stall rest. Anyhow - aside from that - he is running in the pastures (trotting or cantering - it varies from day to day) - but he does do it naturally and quite often, in tandem with one of the mares in the herd. The latter being a very beautiful sight to behold. Looking forward to the day where we will do it together!!! Heather ~ HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW HORSES LEARN WITH OTHER HORSES. If you ever get a chance to see the IMAX movie, on White Horses, [I can't remember the exact name] you will see how the Europeans have for many, many years raised their horses. They simply turn their young horses out with others in a large herd, with plenty of room to run and play. Now, if one could turn a young Fjord horse out with these Lipizzaners for about 3 years, you would have a horse that moved like the herd, working off the rear end, lots of front action, rounded, all muscled out, not fat,,, etc., etc. Or, turn your Fjord horse out with a herd of Mustangs in Nevada, come back in 3 years, you can bet your cute, little Fordie will canter, and canter all day. I hope this makes sense to the folks that don't understand cantering. Regards, Jerry Friz, Anderson, Ca. __ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Form, function, and Canter---FEI Championships
This message is from: Ursula Brian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] The US National Team at the World Championships for Drivers with Disabilities took a Team Silver Medal sponsored by FEI in Europe. Megham Benge from the USA won an individual Gold Medal. Diana Kastama won an individual Bronze Medal Results, a Team silver Medal overall for team USA, with Keady Caldwell as Chef d'Equipe. Two of the American team members were using borrowed horses from England. These horses were not Fjords. My congratulations to these special individuals who are certainly talented and special. They demonstrate the ability to take a situation and make the best of it! This is another portion of the picture regarding Form, function, and Canter. It is these special individuals who took their borrowed horses to the highest level of performance Internationally. It was the teamwork of the horse and the handler! What I am saying here is, that a horse can be Conformationally correct, but without a knowledgeable handler/trainer things can go to ground quite quickly. Another ingredient to the Fjord Performance horse is the talent and ability of the handler/trainer. The foremost ingredient here is the proper education of the Fjord Horse and the handler/trainer. Education in any form is always helpful in the widening of ones abilities and confidence. The NFHR is currently establishing a Mentoring Program to provide such help for its members. I encourage all interested members to use this valuable resource for their own improvement. If our handlers are better, our Fjords are better! Twenty Six years ago when we started driving there were very few people to ask. Times are better now in this industry for quality education in all disciplines. The goal of having Registered Fjord Horses in America performing at Open Breed Shows capably and successfully is now coming to fruition. The Fjord Horse in America; Canada and the USA have a great future. We just need to train and improve ourselves. I believe the Fjords of America are waiting for us to catch up! With all kindness and consideration, I ask you all to look into formal training for you and your Fjord in the future. Please check the trainer's references and qualifications. We have just heard another story here of an inadequate trainer whose inexperience and poor direction led to an owners serious accident and loss of dreams and goals. Brian Jensen Ursula and Brian Jensen Box 1032 Lumby, B.C. Canada V0E 2G0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.trinityfjords.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #137
This message is from: Emily Wigley [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 30, 2008, at 7:20 PM, fjordhorse-digest wrote: Bob Hubbard I second (third?) Hubbard Horse Transport. I just sent a Fjord from Vashon Island, Washington to the Missoula, Montana area. Good folks, excellent communication, good price. This was the third time I've used Hubbard; always good. LA, SF, Seattle, and points East along I-90 particularly, to KY. They don't necessarily go to the race tracks for layovers; they have facilities near the Western Wa. track (Emerald Downs) in Auburn, and other such spots. Nice rigs, air ride, etc. Best of luck shipping your friend up to BC! Emily Emily Wigley ARIA Certified Instructor: Dressage Stable Management Fish Bowl Farm • Boarding, Lessons, Course Design Vashon Island, Washington http://www.fishbowlfarm.com • [EMAIL PROTECTED] • 206-463-5473 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
